Tutorial: How to Create & Apply Texture with Papers

[Koruza]

I've tried the pattern and it seems like it's also unmovable, and just doesn't feel right as texture since it's hard to change the colors and contrast of it.
No idea how to apply the nozzle
But i don't think it's what i'm looking for because the high contrast of the texture in the example, was just to show the difference between brushes.

Yes it seems that creating it on a new layer and then moving it is the only solution for it. Harder to hit the mark though.
I guess i'll just have to make better paper textures.

[Arshes Nei]

Yeah I remember Andrew Jones using various patterns as textures, but he would put it on the paper, then he'd auto-select and move it to where he wanted it as I recall correctly.

[sandman]

I'm wondering if it's possible to move this paper texture around.
Let's say for instance you have a spot in the texture that bothers you so you want to move it so you can put a more even part of the texture down.
Is this possible?

The simplest way is to apply texture in smaller, selective areas on individual layers and then reposition these areas using the Layer Adjuster tool. You can then erase any areas of unwanted texture to fit the region you wish to overlay.

It is possible to offset the texture using the Grain Position command, but this is currently only possible using scripts. I will write a tutorial on this, and post the scripts necessary.

David

[Portus]

But i couldn't find any way to movie it
I know you can change the contrast, invert it even magnify it
in the Papers panel but i couldn't find any way to move it.
I've seen that you can drag the paper around in the paper panel but it doesn't seem to have any effect at all on the painting when i try the brush again.
So i'm a bit stuck

Move the cursor to the big paper thumbnail in the Papers panel and it will change to the "Hand" cursor, you'll be able to move the texture around.

[Arshes Nei]

Aww damn, Portus, I tried it, but it moves the preview around. It doesn't move the texture around on the document. David is right though, use the layer adjuster.

[Koruza]

Move the cursor to the big paper thumbnail in the Papers panel and it will change to the "Hand" cursor, you'll be able to move the texture around.

yes i have also already tried this with no luck

I will write a tutorial on this, and post the scripts necessary.

That would be wonderful if it's not too much of a bother

[Portus]

I must have imagined it or am confusing with other program, tried it again in Painter and it's just the same deal. Haven't used Painter in a year or so. Best way would be to save a couple variants of the same paper in various stages.

[artmessiah]

I must have imagined it or am confusing with other program, tried it again in Painter and it's just the same deal. Haven't used Painter in a year or so. Best way would be to save a couple variants of the same paper in various stages.

I just tried and you CAN move the paper around. If that is what you were trying to do.

[Koruza]

You're probably just moving the preview like Portus did.
Not on the actual painting.
I don't think there is a way to normally do it, since Arshes Nei already quoted from the Painter manual that the paper is fixed and can't be moved.

[Portus]

I just tried and you CAN move the paper around. If that is what you were trying to do.

Yeah it's just the preview, sorry for the false hopes, it's been a while since I've used Painter.

[sandman]

I've just posted a tutorial and some custom scripts to offset the paper texture on the same canvas or layer.

Many of the scripts are presets which offset the pre-applied texture by a set number of pixels (either 4 or 200), but in the tutorial I show you how to edit a script to include your own offset values.

To be honest, this method is not very user friendly, although the preset scripts are very quick to use via. a custom palette which I made from the scripts (see below).



Link to scripts tutorial and download page.

David

[JohnMalcolm1970]

Thanks David,

I've bookmarked your page. I'll download these tomorrow. I don't use papers or textures properly in my Painter workflow - not much beyond simply picking a preset to use - but I have experimented recently with chainmail type textures and being able to move them around like this would be very helpful.

EDIT - I'm now bookmarked your site's front page. A quick look was enough to convince me I'll find plenty of interesting Painter stuff there. Thanks again.

[Koruza]

Thank you very much David.
The tutorial is very nicely made.
I've never even known scripts exited in painter before you mentioned it, and i was able to follow it easily (just took a few minutes to figure out i needed to press the Single Step button in the scripts palette)
Works very nicely and with some tinkering it will be very useful for me.
A shame the coordinates can't add up with pressing multiple times.

[sandman]

Thank you very much David.
The tutorial is very nicely made.
I've never even known scripts exited in painter before you mentioned it, and i was able to follow it easily (just took a few minutes to figure out i needed to press the Single Step button in the scripts palette)
Works very nicely and with some tinkering it will be very useful for me.
A shame the coordinates can't add up with pressing multiple times.

Thank you for letting me know you were able to follow the tutorial OK, Koruza.

The original information on this came from an old Tech note document written by Mark Zimmer (one of the original Painter creators at Fractal Design). All I had to go on was the following though, so it took a lot of work and experimentation to get to this stage;

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grain_position
This command controls the position of the grain, its mapping onto the image. This is similar to the dialog you get when using the Position button in the Paper Palette, but more powerful. The format is:
grain_position oper <p1> row <p2> col <p3>
Here <p1> is an operator type, taking on the following values:
0 no operation
1 set grain position to (row, col)
2 reset to (0,0)
The <p2> and <p3> parameters are row and column position for the grain.
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I'm not sure what Mr. Zimmer was referring to when he mentions the "Position button in the Paper Palette". Perhaps this was a feature which was dropped in later versions.

David

[sandman]

Duplicate post, please delete.

[helen100]

(UPDATE: I created a tutorial on using textures with a gel layer! http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=127825 )

Step 0
Open Your paper pallete

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Step 1
First find a Texture you would like to include in your art and then open it in painter. Also make sure you have Use our wiki to find texture resources. Click Here for Wiki

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Step 2
Secondly select the entire canvas of the texture(make sure you are on the correct layer).

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Step 3
Third Under the paper tab, click the arrow > , Than click Capture Paper.

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Step 4
Name your File then Adjust the Crossfade. The Cross fade is how the Pattern will mesh when the paper overlaps its edges in large canvas.

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Step 5
Select the small thumbnail to cycle through the list of collected papers.

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Step 6
Select a brush with the option for GRAIN, not all brushes have this option. The lower the GRAIN option is, the higher "roughness" of the grain will show against your brush strokes.

The sliders in the Paper Palette are:
Paper Size
Paper Contrast
Paper Value

Try playing with these sliders to experiment with different effects.

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Step 7
Here is a list of brush types that have the GRAIN option. Other categories have brushes options such as the brush in the PHOTO category called ADD GRAIN, i personally shy away from this brush since its a little unwieldy to control.

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Step 8
Use them!

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Hope this helps!

Thanks so much for your generosity it is much appreciated.


helen