Graphite To Paper, Dust To Dust (Golgari's Sketch Dump)

**endregan** · August 6th, 2003, 09:52 PM

hey man nice painting. your figures coming along nice too. keep at it.

the painting is good. really good for your first. I am also playing around with painting now and just hope I can play around more than I have now, not a lot of time lately.

GJ!

**antihero** · August 7th, 2003, 12:34 PM

looks "not bad"?
man that's great, as a first try and as a Selfportrait. It may have some faults in it but it really looks like... it could be you...

Keep at it! (if that makes sense, you know what i mean

)

antihero

**golgari** · August 12th, 2003, 03:23 PM

thanks for the comments guys, nice to see that you seem to like it. i think i'll have to try some more paintings in the future. they're pretty hard, but fun

i was away for the weekend because i was on a festival (the "m'era luna"), but now i'm back...

**golgari** · August 13th, 2003, 03:21 PM

did a drawing of my hand today. plus, i tried myself on some fast expressions, using myself as reference...

**Jeff Gran** · August 13th, 2003, 08:03 PM

nice, man. I really like that hand. your figures are getting a lot better too. seems like you're able to 'feel' the body better. nice work on the expressions. Very loose drawings, but I can tell what face you were making!

**golgari** · August 14th, 2003, 07:29 PM

thanks alot, man. you're keeping me going.
today was a bad day for drawing.
first i had no time and then nothing seemed to work out well

**antihero** · August 15th, 2003, 02:09 AM

Your figures are getting better!

Though the poses look pretty good, i suggest that you try to work a bit on proportions. Most of your figures are bit too slim (especially in the waist area)... well it's not all too bad, but for me it helped a lot, also to get a better "feeling" for the figure.

And i agree on OrangeCatNinja, he gave you the advice to work a bit on yer lines. As i looked again on your stuff, it seems to me, that maybe you should just do some of the figures bigger size. The shading and lines in your bigger pictures look pretty good and are not too messy, but if you're drawing in smaller scale it gets a bit confusing... Know what i mean?

concerning the angel (about two posts before) i suggest to draw the wings esser volumetrical. Your finished version of the angel leaning on "samsas traum" and that last one look both good, but it looks like his wings are filled with air, like a balloon...

Well, that's all for now...

You're figures are really getting better (you too, by the way) just keep at it!

antihero

**golgari** · August 15th, 2003, 03:04 PM

thanks alot for that comment, antihero!
you're totally right about the proportions! i think i should do some studies there. oh well. i ordered my bridgman book two days before, so i hope that will be quite handy

yeah, i understand what you're pointing at with the lines. actually, i didn't really consider the line quality that important and only paid attention to getting down the poses and shapes, but i see what you mean. i really have to work on that.
lesser volumetrical? you mean not so big? hm, i wanted him to have pretty big wings, in order to create a nice outline-shape for the whole picture. i know what you mean, though, it DOES look too empty. i though about maybe putting feathers in there or something. but then again, that would break the simplicity of it....

today i did some life drawing. rather fast & loose...

**golgari** · August 16th, 2003, 02:17 PM

went back to some stuff by loomis again today. the first page is from reference (->loomis). also, i tried to get my stroke quality a bit better. was not _that_ succesful, though....

**antihero** · August 16th, 2003, 02:28 PM

lesser volumetrical? you mean not so big? hm, i wanted him to have pretty big wings, in order to create a nice outline-shape for the whole picture. i know what you mean, though, it DOES look too empty. i though about maybe putting feathers in there or something. but then again, that would break the simplicity of it....

nono, The _shape_ that you drew feels volumetrical to me. On that very simple one, it is maybe just me, but on your last angel-sketch, the wings look not like being as thin as a feather. Especially because you drew horizontal rounded lines, the wings seem to be round as balloon... argh... I'm havin a hard time to explain what i mean...

At the end it is not that important, if you don't get the point, forget about it..:

The lifedrawings look pretty good! Just the legs (especially on the second one) are probably a bit too short.

Your lines look allready a bit better, well at least to me...

Keep it up!

antihero

**golgari** · August 17th, 2003, 03:01 PM

antihero:
ahhh-haaaah, now i get what you mean! yeah, you're probably right about that. i'll check that next time i'm working on it & try to fiddle around a bit with that - thanks

well, some more sketches. and i did a sketch of the bone structure, from loomis' figure drawing book.

**Iiori** · August 17th, 2003, 03:30 PM

Wow, Just being away for a little bit, I notice a lot of improvement in your body structure. Great!

You should do more with the Ax guy. ^^

**Jeff Gran** · August 17th, 2003, 10:47 PM

Nice stuff, man. I see lot's of imagination in this post. I also like the axe guy, looks volumetric even though hes facing straght on, that's hard to do. the loomis mannikin studies you did look good, but I think they all look like ones you copied...remember to try some of your own poses with his setup, I think it may help with proportion and visualization and stuff. Keep it up bro.

**golgari** · August 18th, 2003, 02:52 PM

thanks to you two for replying...
yeah, i like that axe guy as well =)
concerning the loomis sketches...i noticed that i still had some flaws in using my mannikin figure, so i figured it would just be a good idea to go back a bit and do more studies in order to memorize the stuff better. i hope those studies actually will help me

so i did some more studies today, loomis & barcsay...
plus, i did some exercise in order to work a little bit on my linework

**Iiori** · August 18th, 2003, 03:10 PM

Wow

Loomis is really working for you. You are really starting to put things together well.

Great line art page. I like it a lot.

**jester** · August 19th, 2003, 06:24 PM

Great Loomis studies, it's really working for you.

May I ask a question? Are you left handed? Or have you mirrored that line practise page?

Jester

**endregan** · August 19th, 2003, 06:31 PM

wow man. these sketches are great. i should check out loomis!!

your anatomy studies are coming along strong and that is good. Keep at it brother

**Jeff Gran** · August 20th, 2003, 02:08 AM

nice stuff, these new mannikins look great. I like the muscle studies also. I think you're getting your proportions down really well.

**golgari** · August 20th, 2003, 05:40 AM

thanks for the kind comments, everyone...

jester: yeah, sure, i love questions =)
no, actually i'm right-handed...and as far as i know i didn't mirror the page - although i'm not really sure what you mean with "mirroring".
why are you asking?

here's my latest effort, studies of barcsay (anatomy for the artist)...i like his stuff

**jester** · August 20th, 2003, 06:39 AM

I asked because the spirals are going the wrong way round. At least mine are turning the other way round...

Jester

**MindCandyMan** · August 20th, 2003, 08:35 AM

Keep it up bro...those studies are showing definite progress. Keep pushing and keep doing those studies from loomis and others...and from life. You have improved a lot since you started keep it up man.

**golgari** · August 20th, 2003, 02:21 PM

thanks, mindcandyman...yeah, i'll keep it up. i'll see where those studies take me =)

jester - well i tried to let them go round in both ways - practice, you know

i did some stuff out of mind (still struggling with getting a feeling for poses and stuff...working with that mannekin. *sigh*) and again some studies out of barcsay's book. this time i took a closer look at the legs

**antihero** · August 21st, 2003, 01:43 PM

Nice Stuff golgari!
The leg looks pretty good though complicated. Nice work, i know it takes a lot of patience! The head sketch, by the way, a post ago, looks also pretty good! Keep this up, your practice with the manikin frame is improving as well.

nice work!

antihero

PS: has "golgari" a special meaning?

**golgari** · August 21st, 2003, 04:29 PM

thanks for the comment, antihero

yeah, i hope those anatomy studies will get me somewhere. the leg is indeed very complicated, since it has so many different muscles! argh

and yeah, golgari actually has a meaning... i don't know if you're familiar with "das schwarze auge", a german pen & paper-rpg... it's kind of the "german dungeons & dragons". in the mythology of that game, golgari is the bird who carries the souls of those who have died over a deep magical ocean (das "nirgendmeer"), to bring them to the realm of the dead... that's where the name originates from

well, some random scribbling today - school started again :/

**Jeff Gran** · August 21st, 2003, 05:02 PM

the face and leg studies look really good. I know it takes a lot of patience to get all that detail in there. your figures are improving...I think that mannikin definitely helps with working out poses. maybe figure out a pose using that and then draw it again trying to lay the muscles over it. just a suggestion. the guy in the top left, his legs are too short, gotta watch out for that.

**antihero** · August 22nd, 2003, 02:12 AM

Nice studies, though i'd say, the complex ones look a bit messy, maybe try to clean up your lines a bit.

thanks for explaining the name, sounds great... :eek:

Keep it all up!

antihero

**golgari** · August 22nd, 2003, 03:35 PM

thanks guys

jeff: yeah, trying to lay the muscles over the mannequins is what i'm heading to. will try that in the future, definately.

antihero: *sigh* yes, i have to improve my linework...

my lines are too short and fuzzy, i go over the same small areas all to fast instead of making long strokes.
if anyone has any suggestions on what to do to work against this, i'd greatly appreciate that!

i did an anatomy study for the head in an en-face-facon today - since the barczay-book doesn't have it in that position, i had to get it from somewhere else. but the sample from the "anatomy for the artist"-book by sarah kimblet had something very similar to the style of barczy, so that's what i used

plus, i did some more poses...

**antihero** · August 23rd, 2003, 04:22 AM

I really don't know what exactly you need to do, to improve linework, but i'd say, if you think that short strokes are your problem, try to draw a sheet full of things that you only draw in veeeeery big strokes. Go crazy, maybe even try to draw a figure/head/whatever in just one large stroke. Don't concentrate on the things that you draw, concentrate on the fact that you only use long lines to give a shape to your drawing. Maybe in a first approach you can even forget about shading and work on that in a second step. I don't know, that's just an idea.

However, too me copying some pencil drawings (all the knee studies) also helped because you see how the masters of pencils used linework. However, my linework needs improvement as well so maybe in a few days one of us knows more about this problem and the solution...

However, the head-page looks good! Especially the big one has a pretty good shape! I'd say the upper part (forehead) of the head looks a bit strange. the big white area with the strong black lines around it makes it look like this guy had two bumps on his head...

Your figure-drawing is also doin nice... Just keep at it!

antihero

**golgari** · August 23rd, 2003, 02:06 PM

thanks for the comment & the tips, antihero - i tried what you said for some time today and i think it seems to help. i'll keep trying

concerning those "bumps" - now that you say it i see it too. maybe i exaggerated it a bit. however, i think it actually also looked like that. see here...

today i made another selfportrait. it looks a bit strange - but then again, i haven't done a selfportrait for some time now...