Political: George Bush is Harrison Ford

**Scubasteve** · November 2nd, 2004, 11:27 AM

I'm going against my no political talk just because I have noticed something that is quite strange about Hollywood and a certain movie and how it mirrors what is going on in todays politics.

Have you ever seen Air Force One? Its a movie where Harrison Ford plays the President of the United States in the middle of a terrorist crisis. In the movie, Ford is portrayed as a no nonsense, ethical and moral president who takes unilateral, premptive action against terrorist nations in the face of political pressure and against the advice of his advisors...Sound familiar? The President in this movie was meant to portray the embodiement of the ideal American president? Please go back and watch the movie, You'll be supprised how much it mirrors todays situation.

**N D Hill** · November 2nd, 2004, 12:34 PM

you'r kidding, right?

**Scubasteve** · November 2nd, 2004, 12:56 PM

not at all.

**Hanuka** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:02 PM

"terrorist nations".

yeah.

like iraq? Ô_o

like iraq, who of course attacked america? Ô_o

Stop it. This discussion won't lead anywhere.
1st of all, Hollywood movies dont mirror the reality, especially not the ones by Wolfgang Petersen like AF One.

2nd: The war against that terror nation lasted a couple o' days or weeks and was in Afghanistan. That's not what the fuzz is about. It's about the lack of reason for this war in Iraq. Get it, this was no humanitarian action. Nobody ever gave a fuck about the humanitarian situation and the regime in iraq. You cannot force change in a nation from outside like this. ... wtf. I'm discussing this? That's stupid. As said before, stop this.

**Jan** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:07 PM

I think movies show mostly an idealized version of reality,so it can be funny to look older ones,Rambo III for example.

**Scubasteve** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:07 PM

Generally I would agree, Hollywood don't mirror reality, but go and watch the movie again and see if what I say is not true.

In the movie, he states they the US will make it policy to take premptive action (that means action BEFORE we are attacked by that country) and that the US would not hide behind deplomacy and sanctions. That is almost verbatem from the movie.

Of course they show the ideal in Hollywood. My point is that exactly. It easy to say we want to do the right thing, but when it comes to reality, we don't have the testies to back it up.

**N D Hill** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Hanuka

"terrorist nations".

yeah.

like iraq? Ô_o

like iraq, who of course attacked america? Ô_o

Stop it. This discussion won't lead anywhere.
1st of all, Hollywood movies dont mirror the reality, especially not the ones by Wolfgang Petersen like AF One.

2nd: The war against that terror nation lasted a couple o' days or weeks and was in Afghanistan. That's not what the fuzz is about. It's about the lack of reason for this war in Iraq. Get it, this was no humanitarian action. Nobody ever gave a fuck about the humanitarian situation and the regime in iraq. You cannot force change in a nation from outside like this. ... wtf. I'm discussing this? That's stupid. As said before, stop this.

I didn't even consider that. he lost me at the "no nonsense, ethical, moral" and "unilateral" part.

**Floris Didden** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:18 PM

Watch Rambo III. It has Ramb fighting alonside the brave people of afghanistan against the ruthless Sovjets who use their superior technology to force a regime on the noble nomads of afghanistand. I kid you not. The movie was released only in '88, see how fast public opinion can shift?

**Groover McNab** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:23 PM

oh...my...god

**Scubasteve** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:24 PM

Ok EXO, forget the comparison between G.W. and the president in Air Force One. Just watch the movie, and think how they are trying to portray the president in the movie. Is he a good president or a bad one. Ford usually plays the good guy. Listen to the policies he makes. If you take an honest look at them, you will see what I mean. I know its just a movie, and it is all make believe, but it is uncanny how similar a situation it is.

**Scubasteve** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:27 PM

I understand what your saying Didden. But I'm talking about right and wrong policies. There was a time when we were on Sadams side too. We are partly responsibe for building up his arms back when we were having trouble with Iran.

**Phuzion** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:31 PM

How about you watch Three Kings so you can see how badly we fucked up last time and just where we're heading this time. Cause we're in the same position. Liberation my ass.

Harrison Ford could speak intelligently in AF1... that right there puts his far above Little Bitch Jr.

**Scubasteve** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:39 PM

Well, I don't make my vote on what Hollywood says we have done wrong or right. That was not my point. If you want to make your decision on what Ice-T and Eminem or even Harrison Ford for that matter say, thats your business. I was drawing a comparison between policies. I have seen Three Kings, and Black Hawk Down and Saving Private Ryan. If America left a war at 1500 deaths back on D-Day we would have not even reached the beach. American's want freedom, but do we want it enough to die for it anymore.

**LaPalida** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:41 PM

The story is very similar to something Tom Clancy would write. Tom Clancy is known for his political fiction (edit: they crash planes into the Pentagon and into the Capitol not the two towers). It's not so surprising that some fiction might be similar to reality.

http://www.filmguru.net/reviews/1997/970725.html

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/au...Tom_Clancy.htm

**Scubasteve** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:43 PM

Ecspecially since the terrorist had tried to blow up the towers on previous occasions...

**Red_Rook** · November 2nd, 2004, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Groover McNab

oh...my...god

that about covers it.

**jetpack42** · November 2nd, 2004, 02:00 PM

See, personally I see reality is closer to Punch Drunk Love.

We, the public, are Barry Egan. Bush is the matress man. Kerry is the phone sex lady. And the rest of the world is the seven sisters calling us "gay boy". The Uk would be Nina and the UN would be healthy choice, but the airline mile promotion is the weapons of destruction in Iraq, not valid for 6-8 more weeks.

yessss...its all coming together now....

**Scubasteve** · November 2nd, 2004, 02:10 PM

HA HA HA..

Jetpack for Congress...

Sorry man.. Bush for Pres....

**Jan** · November 2nd, 2004, 03:04 PM

Bush is such a *.
Now you better think of H. Ford.

**jetpack42** · November 2nd, 2004, 03:07 PM

gotta start somewhere. heh.

the more I think about it, the more it's all coming together. (see previous post)

**nil** · November 2nd, 2004, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Scubasteve

If America left a war at 1500 deaths back on D-Day we would have not even reached the beach.

i cant believe you just said that.

**Scubasteve** · November 2nd, 2004, 04:28 PM

Why is that nil...

**MDuckett** · November 2nd, 2004, 07:51 PM

If you want a movie comparison to what's going on right now, watch "the Lord of the Flies." Almost a blow-by-blow metaphor for what's happening to our govt, foreign policy and Iraq.

Originally Posted by Scubasteve

American's want freedom, but do we want it enough to die for it anymore.

what does the Iraq situation have to do with our freedom? You really think Saddam was even a threat to us here?

**nil** · November 2nd, 2004, 10:07 PM

Because theres no possible way you can be comparing Americas actions in Iraq to those during WWI.

**DragonGX** · November 2nd, 2004, 10:59 PM

Maybe you should heed your gut feeling and keep your political ideas to yourself..

**Scubasteve** · November 3rd, 2004, 09:11 AM

Maybe...But, Nahhhh...

Nil...I wasn't comparing the two wars on principle of why we were fighting them. You totallly missed my meaning...

**Lono** · November 3rd, 2004, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by jetpack42

See, personally I see reality is closer to Punch Drunk Love.

We, the public, are Barry Egan. Bush is the matress man. Kerry is the phone sex lady. And the rest of the world is the seven sisters calling us "gay boy". The Uk would be Nina and the UN would be healthy choice, but the airline mile promotion is the weapons of destruction in Iraq, not valid for 6-8 more weeks.

yessss...its all coming together now....

hahahaha!

this analogy is MUCH more reasonable.

-Lono

**N D Hill** · November 3rd, 2004, 11:01 AM

I'm actually thinking that Bush would turn this country into one big Paul Verhoeven flick, only without the robots and giant bugs... Well, we probably won't have robots and bugs.

**Scubasteve** · November 3rd, 2004, 11:05 AM

We'll Im done talking politics...No more for me....Religion anyone? (joking)

**Floris Didden** · November 3rd, 2004, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Exo

I'm actually thinking that Bush would turn this country into one big Paul Verhoeven flick, only without the robots and giant bugs... Well, we probably won't have robots and bugs.

Yes.. I'm amazed how many people missed that part in Starship Troopers, and were only looking at the bugs and the cool guns.