Ey yo Lucy! And woah KrayTSAO, great work!
Ey yo Lucy! And woah KrayTSAO, great work!
sdgfasdgas i just saw the new CGMA classes and i REALLY WANT TO TAKE THE ART OF COLOR AND LIGHHTTT FUHHH. pre req is digital painting and the seats for that open in three weeks. how am i gonna come up with $600 in three weeks.
@ ohrii: hey! no word yet on any acceptances, looks like all those waiting are CA so we'll find out in a little over a week ^-^
I plan on taking digital painting, and though I'd like to take the color and light course, My environments I feel can use the work more, so I'm thinking about taking the environment sketching course (depending on what the CGMA team tells me about their pre reqs).
It's funny; art is one of the most expensive trades to learn, with some of the least guarantee of financial security- but its payoff in self fulfillment is possibly higher than 90% of other career paths. It's so worth it, but looking at numbers sux.
sadly i can't do that since i'm already behind on payments having lost my job recently lol. plehh, i dont wanna take loans out yet >___<
right? probably because its not a skill everyone can learn and its something no one can take away from you and replicate for exact results.
@anomalexie- ahh cool! that's so exciting! ;u;
Hi guys! I wish I could take one of those classes too or one from Schoolism (I love their art styles) but I don't have the money or time.
I bought this book for X-mas to improve my backgrounds and perspective. I've found it to be very helpful so here's the link if you're interested:
Also, this site has helped me a lot with painting:
I am very anxious to hear from the Admissions Office! I still don't know if I'll be able to attend but I really want to... Good luck!
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You're welcome! Yeah, I'm waiting for CA too. I'm scared because I've heard it is hard to maintain good grades in the CA program C:
@anomalexie, hey! just saw your post... for oncampus housing, try to get goldstein (it's easiest to make friends, meet people and it is pretty much the social hangout place for most of the freshmen.) If you need a single though, keating is really great. Either way, it's kind of a lottery, but if you sign your papers early there is a better chance for goldstein. After freshman year, there are lots of awesome options bayou, quads, student center etc.
As far as advice, hrmm well, mainly just keep drawing over the summer and try to fill at least one sketchbook if not more. Maybe start finding out if you can use any AP's/community college for transfer credit. AP english language and comp will get rid of freshman english, so that's really handy. Try to learn a bit of perspective too if you can and experiment with a few different mediums if you're normally used to drawing in pencil (i would recommend experimenting with acrylic, pen/ink, and watercolor, possibly collage). If you're a CA major, don't worry about learning maya. Just practice drawing (esp. for traditional animation). Buy/rent the Illusion of Life and Cartoon Animation (Preston Blair).
Btw, haha, I just saw the post about Victor's figure drawings... I've been trying to convince him to join this site for awhile (we're both pretty busy though), but we also head the DPSC (Digital Painting Sketch Club) which meets once a week to digitally paint and watch a speaker (we had Tom Scholes via Skype this week) give a demo. Sooo, I would definitely suggest joining DPSC once you get here as well as FEWS (open figure workshops after class). Both these clubs have been absolutely amazing for me here at Ringling and I would strongly suggest that all ILL's, CA's and GAD's check it out when you get here.
Sorry bit of a rant, but hope that helps you out a bit Btw, if anyone doesnt make the cut for CA/GAD this year, don't let that disappoint you. There have been some extremely successful people I know of who were 2nd time applicants or even waitlisted but have gone on to do really great work. Also, we have some really great transfer/non-traditional age college students (many of whom have a great focus and dedication that alot of kids out of high school don't have quite yet).
Also, Pio, now that I see your post. It kind of depends on how you define "Good". Good grades in the CA program and studio courses usually are C's and B's. Only a few in the class will have A's. I think most are able to maintain at least a 3.4 though (high B's) as long as you work hard. But in general, getting the project done well warrants a C. Really well is a B, and A's are reserved for exceptional projects. As far as liberal arts classes, it is easier to get good grades if you did well in high school overall. The courses are pretty lax and don't require much work compared to a studio course. I usually overload on Liberal arts class so that I can pad my GPA...
I'm ok with B's but I would feel very discouraged getting C's. I will try to look at it as a challenge though. The students I met from the CA department had many C's and they were very good. Do mediocre grades there affect if you get accepted to internships or graduate schools? Anyway, I will work hard! C:
Pio, ehh don't worry too much. I came in the all-A super grade-conscious highschool student and was heartbroken when I got a C on the very first project at Ringling. After first semester I got pretty used to dealing with good and bad grades. You only really need to be worry if you're getting anything less than a C. Bad grades (lower C's) will potentially affect leadership positions (RA etc.) and scholarships but internships will only care about portfolio. I can't speak for graduate school, but I would suppose good grades would be important.
@ praemium: I'm coming in with college credits already, (this is my second year trying for CA) I really dont care about my art ones transferring, but would my english and math and social studies credits make it through? How difficult is it to become an RA? also thank you for taking the time to answer all our questions ^-^ if i make it in this year, i'll definitely visit DPSC and FEWS 8D
anomalexie, english (Usually literature & comp kind of stuff) and math (College Algebra or higher) should definitely transfer... if it was American government, Art history (you need survey I and II), US gov (also I and II), Cultural anthropology, general psychology.. I know that those transfer as well usually. You will have to speak to your advisor, but most of those should be fine. RA is tricky... it is quite a lot of work on top of CA, but if you're a generally outgoing person, like to help out with events, probably join RSA (resident student association), SGA (student government), get good grades and are pretty awesome in general then RA is definitely something to think about and saves tons of monies.
Lol i have like city planning, macroeconomics, world geography and astronomy XD we'll see i guess (generally an introvert). might as well just work on the side anyways haha
^^No idea about the others, but I know world geography should transfer... they have a list in the office of advising of courses that generally transfer...so you can check that out too. There are also ots of good work-studies at ringling that are more flexible than RA.
ohh okay o: how does work study function? would you advise working else at the same time?
@ thomopson: hey there! did you end up going to a different art school? o:
If you do get in what might hold you back; why might you not be able to attend?
What is your passion?
Thank you for the book recs, Pío and Praemium! I've got the Illusion of Life, which is absolutely great and recently the Animator's Survival Kit, which I also got from a rec on this thread. I'm already learning so much from both! I would love to take some classes, but my time is limited so I find books are the next best thing!
It's glad to know there are non-traditional age students around lol I'm 28 =O I'm pretty sure a lot of my credits will transfer since I've got close to a hundred hours, which includes must of the core classes. I thought I was going to (unhappily) be a lawyer for the rest of my life, but the night before my LSAT I had something of an epiphany lol. I think that only thing I would have to take at Ringling, aside from the art classes is the whatever math it requires (booo).
@ escaphilia: yeah i borrowed the animator's survival kit and read through most of it, but i feel like it's only really really helpful if you're using what the book is teaching you at the same time versus just reading it. i'll have to take it out again over the summer
@ praemium: how many not art related classes are we supposed to take over the 4 years?
I don't know if I'll be able to attend if I don't get any outside scholarships. I applied for some big ones but I never win anything xD Also, my parents really want me to attend a local school and study something "more practical".
I bought the Illusion of Life book for X-mas too but I haven't been able to look at it much.
You're welcome everybody! C:
Sore subject there...that just really bugs me...it's your life, do what makes you happy, man. Ringling doesn't have a good rep for giving out scholarships, but there are tons of other places like RISD and Calarts that have given half to full-ride scholarships. Maybe check into those? I think there are scholarships available at Ringling, but a lot of them you end up qualifying for after you're enrolled. it's weird...
Check out my current portfolio! Critiques are highly encouraged, YEAH!!!: http://mangmang.deviantart.com/gallery/41767816
They don't realize that but I do! I'm definitely not choosing a career based on money but I do understand where they're coming from...tough times. They're just not into technology and entertainment. They are a bit supportive but not fully. C; I didn't apply to CalArts because they talked me out of it since it is too far away but I've been dreaming lately of going there after for a MFA. I'm getting way ahead of myself though.
@Praemium I have a silly question; so I know they only allow goldfishes as pets but is it possible to keep a hamster in my dorm room? I get very homesick and I was thinking a hamster could keep me company! I guess there are people that are allergic to hamsters...Well, I like fishes but it's hard to take care of them and I just have the urge to have a pet hamster(I'm not allowed to have pets where I live xD). Also, are there any rooms in Goldstein that you don't have to share with somebody else? Or is there another residence hall with single rooms that freshmen can stay in? C: Thanks.
Another good argument, for yourself, and your parents, Is "what is practical anymore"?
The economy tanked, and there is almost no job security anywhere. I've met people with MBAs, who are jobless. Many in fact. As a child, Students would say they wanted to build houses as adults because people would always need houses, and they'd always have a job. Doctors, need to spend years and years on their degrees, followed by years of interning and so on. A neurosurgeon I met told me he didn't really start making decent income until his 40s, and then he had massive loans to pay off. Lawyers may get jobs, but how many can live with the choices they have to make?
So, in today's world, what defines a practical job?
is it pay: many artists in the entertainment industry get paid very decently.
Is it security: What is secure right now, besides medical- I'd love to know.
Is it growth opportunity: Art industries grow, while many others shrink.
Don't let them give you that whole "art isn't a real job" thing. Let them know you are going to college not to get a job, but rather for career training; to work in a place where you don't feel like you are working.
The thing with the scholarships- I wouldn't try to put all of my hopes in those baskets. But if you do have to take out a loan(s) think of it in terms of the job after graduation versus the amount of debt/ payments you will need to make. If you can get a job after graduation, which pays for the loan(s) payments, with profitable cash flow into your pocket (otherwise how can you live), In a way, you get your education for free.
okay; thats confusing... let me see if I can't say that better: If the cost of the loans annually take out the difference of the job you would have had with no schooling the loans don't cost you anything, and you more opportunity to have an enjoyable job. (eg: you make 30,000 without school, you make 50,000 with school, but pay 20,000 in loans = you make the same with the profit of a fulfilling job).
This is what is often referred to as good debt- an asset. It's scary, and for people like me with no financial education, it's all new and it sounds backwards, but as I learn more it makes sense.
but all of that was to say, even if you cannot get a scholarship- the loans may be worth the investment in yourself.
I've often wished I could go down the classic route of a state school, save money, party all weekend, and live in a ticky tacky box on the hillside, but I know it just wouldn't fulfill me. What use would the money and parties be, if I lacked all of the substance I long for in life?
@escaphilia: what was your epiphany? It seems you went pretty far to just say, "nah, I'm not doing that". Also if you don't mind my asking, how did you afford that education, and how do you plan on afforing this one?
I wrote a long response earlier but it seems it didn't make it... >.> Maybe, it's better that way 'cause I felt it was too personal and weird after posting.
Yes, I do realize those things but my parents don't. You see, they're from different times. I understand them and they do support me (after much begging). I do not want to take out many loans because I have met many art students that are barely surviving. I can't imagine how stressful it must be. No, I'm not looking for a lot of money in a career but I'm not looking for suffering either. However, I just can't see myself being anything else than an artist. C:
@ Praemium Thanks for everything! Do you know if there are any single rooms in Goldstein or rooms that don't share a bathroom? (PM me if you want) Also, I know they only allow fishes as pets, but I really wanted to have my pet hamster because I get homesick. Could this be possible? Thanks.
I just wrote a long ass response and I was missing a token and it didn't get through asegbhwtvk
the point is, @ Pio: my dad is the artsy one in the family, his whole side is filled with artists, and he took the practical approach and he regrets it. Not to say he hates his job (he's an architect) but there's that part of him that regrets it and he doesn't want that for me so he's always pushed me to follow my dream since I decided I wanted to do computer animation. My mom's an attorney and she's in a lot of debt over furthering her education and getting her JD or doctorate or whatever, but she makes great pay and she'll pay it off in a couple of years. And the art field is always growing, a lot of graduates are gonna open their own studios and once their rep grows, there will be space for the future graduates. There are those parents who don't understand what it is a career in the art field can do, but you have so many options. Have you shown them that book that Ringling sends out every year about the facts that disprove that starving artist myth? Obviously not everyone's gonna be doing okay, but as long as you keep looking and keep your options open, there really is a lot of options for a job.
also there are like shit tons of business majors, sometimes i question if that field has enough spots for the amount of business majors that are churned out every year from all the colleges.
@ mang: I think its better they keep those scholarships for when you're enrolled because why give thousands to the kids who might drop out than the kids who are committed? Reward those who stay and not the ones who don't.
also does anyone know anything helpful regarding loans? D:
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I think they are editing the site again- so it's acting a bit flaky.
@Pio: Personal and weird? just the way I like it.
Art is suffering. LOL. no, I do completely hear you- and I'm petrified of the same fate. Art is such a fickle mistress; and she's mean to so many. But I can't picture anything else, so it's an abuse I know I need to just face- but is it scary? oh hell yes. am I afraid of the whole going hungry thing? if my posts haven't already expressed my apprehension, let me be loud and clear, it scares the POOP out of me to go down this path. I don't like the idea of taking out loans one bit, but in today's world it seems to be just a part of life. that is until the entire global economic collapse.
And congrats on getting your parents to understand. I was lucky, and my mom was a wanna be artist who got the "get a real job" spiel, yet her choices in the real job field didn't end all too well either- so she's all supportive of me. my family in general loves the arts (now), so I didn't have to explain- but I know for many explaining art as a future can make pulling teeth seem like fun.
I guess I'm on the same boat as you guys. When I was doing the calculations for scholarship applications, I realized that the CA program is 60,000 dollars a year. And that is not something I can afford at all. At the end of four years, it'd be 240,000 in debt. That's a quarter of a million dollars. I understand that there will be some scholarships but honestly, I'm questioning whether it's worth it. I'd love to get in and do what I love but honestly, is all this money really worth it? I'm coming from a home that has five family members living on 50k a year and it's hard to imagine so much money at once. Maybe it's because I'm an immigrant and all but I don't know. I can't imagine having to pay that away for the rest of my life and having my family suffer trying to put me through it. I'm just really confused right now. Not like I'll get into the CA program either since I suck but just hypothesizing.
I'm a fairly open book so I don't mind at all
Not to bore you with the amazing story of my life but:
Basically, my parents were pretty traditional too and an 'art' education was something you did if you wanted to spend the rest of your life starving and waiting for your 'big break'. Needless to say, growing up I would tell my parents all about the stories I would tell one day, but I would be corrected. The term "pipe dream" got thrown around a lot. So, basically I did what "good girls do" - but I wasn't happy. It's really hard to describe the feeling, but the best I can say is that weird feeling when you are in between sleeping and waking and you know you are asleep but your body doesn't let you wake up? That's exactly how I felt. Like, ALL the time. To be honest, I don't even recognize myself when I look back at who I was. Pardon my language but I used to be a straight up bitch. Some of that had to do with what you learn, or I guess how you learn to plead the case - manipulation, distorting the truth, playing off people's emotions, etc/etc. I know not everyone uses those tactics, but I quickly learned that in mock trials and such, that's what worked - and I became damn good at it. Anyway, half of that bitchery had to do with my unhappiness as well. I was incredibly angry and frustrated and blargh, it really sucked. So, one day I don't know...I looked in the mirror and I didn't like who I was and who I was becoming. I also realized that I didn't want be a lawyer, but at the time I wasn't sure what I wanted. I basically dropped out of school and had to get a job/find a place to stay because my parents weren't going to pay for me to sit around and twiddle my thumbs. I got a job at a church and one day I was helping paint stuff for an event and someone said I was really good at it and if I ever considered doing art as a career choice - because she knew someone who was looking for an artist for some work.
Lo and behold, my epiphany. I thought what the hell, why not. I took the commission, then another and other through various outlets, and eventually I quit and started to freelance and work for myself completely. Mostly what I do now is illustrations for nonprofit organizations and small time businesses. I then started to go back to school (community college) and here I am, attempting to go art school lol. I still want to tell my stories, but I need the skill set / tools to do so. Not everyone needs art school for that, but it is worth it for me personally.
I don't discount the educational experience I had, because a lot of the information was invaluable. I think that's another reason why I've been able make a living off freelance, is because of what I learned like negotiations, contracts, and whatnot. It's funny because I have a friend from a few years ago whose BFF went to Ringling and I think her sister goes to the school now. Back then I remember thinking, gee whiz I wish that was my life and let it just be a silly day dream of mine lol.
TLDR; Follow your passion!! I think it's important to respect your parents, but you have to remember it is YOUR life and time goes by SOOO quickly. So yeah, don't give up - keep going. Even if you guys don't get in this year; try again if it's you want to do. Time is going to pass either way.
Oh! As for how I plan to pay for my time at Ringling - I'm paying out of pocket (it's going to leave me with like nothing, but idgaf) and my mom mentioned she'd help me out. I'm still not sure how my dad feels about my new career path and my mom was really - well upset for a while, but now she realizes how happy I am and how passionate I am about my future. So yeahhhhh..... the end lol
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