Professional student seeking help!

[WarLordMegatron]

Yesterday I posted a thread, but now it seems to be gone

So, I will make this one brief...

I am a man of 28, who has always loved to draw, but never was any good at it. When i do good one day, and break due to the stress, sleep and wake up the next morning, I do horrible.

My influences are, Frank Frazetta, Tony Taka, Shunya Yamashita, Ugetsu Hakua, Reiq, Jim Lee, Andrew Loomis, Steve Ditko Jon Romito Sr., well the list goes on.

I don't know why I can't do well in art like my heroes, I practice everyday, however I only do one drawing a day, usually takes me 8 hours to do it, and it's only lines, no shading, toning, colour, anything.

I have been diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome, which is a form of Autism, so I don't know if that is a problem I have with drawing.
I've been to an art collage, however they were not what I really wanted to do, Illustration and character design. They were more life art... which is still important to know.

Anyway, I'm looking for help, and I hae some of my art on Deviant art, linked below! Thanks community, look forward to hearing from you!

http://orionunas.deviantart.com/

- edit -

Aha, perhaps i just didn't enable Java...

Also, I would like to mention that I am working on my own creation which influences me to do my best. My other influences are things like Star Wars, Spider-Man, Metal, and I try to use these passions to help further my knowledge of art, however I seem to fail more than I progress.

[Diarum]

I feel like you are a troll:
Professional student? really....
8 hours for 1 drawing, lines only.... come on..

For someone who is a "professional student" you know nothing of learning.Just wondering what exactly are you a professional student of?

[WarLordMegatron]

I feel like you are a troll:
Professional student? really....
8 hours for 1 drawing, lines only.... come on..

For someone who is a "professional student" you know nothing of learning.Just wondering what exactly are you a professional student of?

You know, the entire point of mentoring is to help someone, to show them the way. You quote Bruce Lee in your signature, but obviously you've learned nothing out of helping someone.

I prefer Illustrations, and I prefer my work to be lines. Some people like the way lines look, like I do, with out colour. That is why I am here, to learn what I need to do next. I don't need you to make me feel worse about my art then I already do.

Actually I think you'd benefit from a out of context lyric...
"Why? Why? Why? What?
Why exactly?

What? Why?
Be more constructive
With your feedback, please
Why? Why?" - Flight of the Conchords.

Professional Student is also a term that means one always learns, and they like to learn continuously. It means someone who is willing to learn anything and everything about a subject, or is just always learning. Once again, something your signature should tell you about.

So, as an end to my defensive reply, I'd appreciate it if you'd say something helpful rather, if not, then just refrain from even commenting, thanks.

[WarLordMegatron]

I feel like you are a troll:
Professional student? really....
8 hours for 1 drawing, lines only.... come on..

For someone who is a "professional student" you know nothing of learning.Just wondering what exactly are you a professional student of?

You know, the entire point of mentoring is to help someone, to show them the way. You quote Bruce Lee in your signature, but obviously you've learned nothing out of helping someone.

I prefer Illustrations, and I prefer my work to be lines. Some people like the way lines look, like I do, without colour. Sometimes a straight line curve can mean so much, example Tony Taka's work, or even Frank Frazetta's Illustrations. How about Tin Tin for another example. That is why I am here, to learn what I need to do next. I don't need you to make me feel worse about my art then I already do.

Actually I think you'd benefit from a out of context lyric...
"Why? Why? Why? What?
Why exactly?

What? Why?
Be more constructive
With your feedback, please
Why? Why?" - Flight of the Conchords.

Professional Student is also a term that means one always learns, and they like to learn continuously. It means someone who is willing to learn anything and everything about a subject, or is just always learning. Once again, something your signature should tell you about.

So, as an end to my defensive reply, I'd appreciate it if you'd say something helpful rather, if not, then just refrain from even commenting, thanks.

[WarLordMegatron]

I feel like you are a troll:
Professional student? really....
8 hours for 1 drawing, lines only.... come on..

For someone who is a "professional student" you know nothing of learning.Just wondering what exactly are you a professional student of?

You know, the entire point of mentoring is to help someone, to show them the way. You quote Bruce Lee in your signature, but obviously you've learned nothing out of helping someone.

I prefer Illustrations, and I prefer my work to be lines. Some people like the way lines look, like I do, with out colour. That is why I am here, to learn what I need to do next. I don't need you to make me feel worse about my art then I already do.

Actually I think you'd benefit from a out of context lyric...
"Why? Why? Why? What?
Why exactly?

What? Why?
Be more constructive
With your feedback, please
Why? Why?" - Flight of the Conchords.

Professional Student is also a term that means one always learns, and they like to learn continuously. It means someone who is willing to learn anything and everything about a subject, or is just always learning. Once again, something your signature should tell you about.

So, as an end to my defensive reply, I'd appreciate it if you'd say something helpful rather, if not, then just refrain from even commenting, thanks.

[WarLordMegatron]

I feel like you are a troll:
Professional student? really....
8 hours for 1 drawing, lines only.... come on..

For someone who is a "professional student" you know nothing of learning.Just wondering what exactly are you a professional student of?

You know, the entire point of mentoring is to help someone, to show them the way. You quote Bruce Lee in your signature, but obviously you've learned nothing out of helping someone.

I prefer Illustrations, and I prefer my work to be lines. Some people like the way lines look, like I do, with out colour. That is why I am here, to learn what I need to do next. I don't need you to make me feel worse about my art then I already do.

Actually I think you'd benefit from a out of context lyric...
"Why? Why? Why? What?
Why exactly?

What? Why?
Be more constructive
With your feedback, please
Why? Why?" - Flight of the Conchords.

Professional Student is also a term that means one always learns, and they like to learn continuously. It means someone who is willing to learn anything and everything about a subject, or is just always learning. Once again, something your signature should tell you about.

So, as an end to my defensive reply, I'd appreciate it if you'd say something helpful rather, if not, then just refrain from even commenting, thanks.

[WarLordMegatron]

I feel like you are a troll:
Professional student? really....
8 hours for 1 drawing, lines only.... come on..

For someone who is a "professional student" you know nothing of learning.Just wondering what exactly are you a professional student of?

You know, the entire point of mentoring is to help someone, to show them the way. You quote Bruce Lee in your signature, but obviously you've learned nothing out of helping someone.

I prefer Illustrations, and I prefer my work to be lines. Some people like the way lines look, like I do, with out colour. That is why I am here, to learn what I need to do next. I don't need you to make me feel worse about my art then I already do.

Actually I think you'd benefit from a out of context lyric...
"Why? Why? Why? What?
Why exactly?

What? Why?
Be more constructive
With your feedback, please
Why? Why?" - Flight of the Conchords.

Professional Student is also a term that means one always learns, and they like to learn continuously. It means someone who is willing to learn anything and everything about a subject, or is just always learning. Once again, something your signature should tell you about.

So, as an end to my defensive reply, I'd appreciate it if you'd say something helpful rather, if not, then just refrain from even commenting, thanks.

Sorry for any repetitive posts.

[Diarum]

You know, the entire point of mentoring is to help someone, to show them the way. You quote Bruce Lee in your signature, but obviously you've learned nothing out of helping someone.

Not sure how this is relative to the Bruce Lee Quote but w/e. My thought is why would someone want to help you if you aren't even doing any work for yourself, 5 pictures of DA doesn't really show enthusiasm to begin with.

I prefer Illustrations, and I prefer my work to be lines. Some people like the way lines look, like I do, with out colour. That is why I am here, to learn what I need to do next. I don't need you to make me feel worse about my art then I already do.

Well that is fine, I have nothing against you only working in lines. But again who is anyone going to take you serious if you don't show you are dedicated, no one want to invest time in someone who is going to stop the next day, because it's "to hard" not saying YOU would do or say that but you get the picture.

Actually I think you'd benefit from a out of context lyric...
"Why? Why? Why? What?
Why exactly?

What? Why?
Be more constructive
With your feedback, please
Why? Why?" - Flight of the Conchords.

ok.....

Professional Student is also a term that means one always learns, and they like to learn continuously. It means someone who is willing to learn anything and everything about a subject, or is just always learning. Once again, something your signature should tell you about.

So, as an end to my defensive reply, I'd appreciate it if you'd say something helpful rather, if not, then just refrain from even commenting, thanks.

Sorry for any repetitive posts.

In the United States and Canada, if not elsewhere, a professional student is a student majoring in what are considered the professional degrees.

lol I know what you mean, but that is all of us, so there really is no need to even say it. I'd say just start a SB here and see what people say. That would probably be more helpful then a mentor. Learn what the fundamentals are and work up from there. Not to bash Anime, because if well informed it can be amazing, be most of it crap. I would suggest doing realism then moving on to a style, that way you are fundamentally solid and can do other stuff if need be. Also I don't know how big the market is for line only illustration is, but it never hurts to explore other stuff, so you can do more then line drawings.

[WarLordMegatron]

Actually I am canadian, and I've never heard that phrase used that way....

The deviant art site is just some of my illustrations, I don't like drawing. The difference is, drawing doesn't use lines and reflects life, where illustration uses lines and reflects the written word. I've done realistic drawing in art school, I don't find it as attractive.

And once again the reason why I am here, as I said before, is to find out what I need to do next. After I do my lines, when do I put my first colour down? How do I decide it's the right colour?

So thanks again for your input, still honestly I think you, diarum, could have responded in a much better tone. I'm not comfortable with my art as it stands, and this is twice now I feel I've been insulted. Other people may take your words as helpful but really I read your words and I either want to quit this site or quit drawing. You really don't make me feel better about my work. So thanks again, but anyone else have some input?

[Diarum]

The deviant art site is just some of my illustrations, I don't like drawing.

Ok we are done here, I see you are...... so yeah

[WarLordMegatron]

Ok we are done here, I see you are...... so yeah

actually there is a difference between drawing and illustration. As I said twice now, and again I will say it...
Drawing complements life.
Illustration complements words.

Drawing = art work typically displayed in a museum. This is what people and rich snobs pay thousands of dollars for and hang proudly on their walls.

Illustration = art work complementing words... What you read. Further examples... gustave dore, who illustrated many books, including dante, the bible, rhyme of the ancient mariner and more. You can see more examples of illustration in comic books.

I'm not here to make enemies, we are all artists which is why we are here. I used to think drawing and illustrating was the same, but they are not.

[WarLordMegatron]

Ok we are done here, I see you are...... so yeah

actually there is a difference between drawing and illustration. As I said twice now, and again I will say it...
Drawing complements life.
Illustration complements words.

Drawing = art work typically displayed in a museum. This is what people and rich snobs pay thousands of dollars for and hang proudly on their walls.

Illustration = art work complementing words... What you read. Further examples... gustave dore, who illustrated many books, including dante, the bible, rhyme of the ancient mariner and more. You can see more examples of illustration in comic books.

I'm not here to make arguments or enemies, I'm here to learn. We are all artists here. I used to think illustration and drawing were the same but they are not.

[WarLordMegatron]

Actually drawing and illustration are different, as I've said before. Drawing complements life, where illustration complements word.

Drawing = Art work usually displayed in a museum. This is what people and rich snobs pay thousands of dollars for to hang on their wall.

Illustration = Art work complementing words. What you read. Further examples of this would be, Gustave Doré, who illustrated many pictures in books such as one of my favorite pieces, Dante's Inferno, he also illustrated the bible, and another of my favorite readings, The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. You can find further examples of illustration in comic books. Or, you can go to my first post and look up some of my favorite illustrators.

I'm not here to make enemies or arguments, I'm here to improve my skills, to learn. We are all artists here. You prefer to draw, that's fine, I prefer to illustrate. I used to think they are one in the same thing, but having taken art college I learned they are vastly different.

Edit -
Another example of Line drawing is Newspaper Serials, such as Garfeild, Family Circus, etc. Check your news paper comic section, usually they are all illustrations with no colour, just lines.

[WarLordMegatron]

Also I don't know how big the market is for line only illustration is, but it never hurts to explore other stuff, so you can do more then line drawings.

I think when you say "Market," I see you thinking in terms of art for money, not art for emotion or arts sake. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not here to make money, I'm here because I want to create.

[Diarum]

well I don't really care to carry this out, since you don't seem to have common logic. What you did on DA IS NOT AN ILLUSTRATION, THOSE ARE DRAWINGS. We all know what an Illustration is, but a part of doing an Illustration is to know what you are doing. No one is going to want to look at a shitty Illustration, not being shitty mean you have to draw. You don't like to draw, you will always make shitty Illustrations. Frank Frazetta, an amazing Illustrator, how did he get to be that amazing? HE DREW/painted, wow really why is that?

Line Illustrating IS drawing, there is literally no way of changing that fact, whether digital or trad. it just drawing. And I still don't understand why you think Drawing and Illustration are two completely different things, they aren't. All (line)Illustration is, is drawing with a story/narrative. Not sure how you can't wrap mind around that simple concept. And your art teacher is dumb, know nothing, i'm sorry.

That is fine if you are here just to create, but then again why do you need to get better if you just want to create. Telling a story has not baring on your ability to draw/paint. And I'm not thinking of art in terms of money, I am thinking that most people on these forums want to do CA for a living, which means making enough money to live on, can you understand that?

But I am done, not replying anymore, so don't bother. When you can stop being ignorant (no one wants to teach an ignorant person)to what people say maybe someone can help you. I tried to help you but you rejected it so you must not want to learn very much or you would stop being so retarded (no offence lol)

[Sonfan]

Well time for my two cents, I too suck at art and trying to learn like everyone. For a while I wanted to know why I don't come to the CA Forums a lot. And I remember why now!! For some reason I always find a posts like this one here... every once in a while. Over two peoples different options!!

Post like this make the site look bad, if you forget Professional Artist are some of the major members of the site. So it can only help ones case to be professional at all times, and not to make ones self look bad in the eyes others... professionals being some of them!!

I'm a 3D Animator trying to get better at Fine Art, as of which the 11secondclub is the other major Forum I go to. More then this one, one key fact is I don't see post like this one their forums.

The forum was made to help others, not help Adults fight like children... If you have nothing nice to say find another forum!!!

Thank You,