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[Alex Eh]

Looking good dude keep it up!

[Samszym]

Hey Ven. After drawing many gestures for a long time I think I can say I really don't even know how to draw gestures. Just try to ignore detail. and draw the...well the gesture. Don't draw muscles or bones or anatomy, just draw the pose. Bend something in a way it shouldn't bend it it works.
Don't do this.
do this
and look at this
and thiiiis
and I guess this
and maybe these too
and this link for sure.

[JerryActric]

Man awesome !!! HUGE improvements ! I love going through peoples sketches and seeing them progress ! haha means there hope for all of us !

[Alex Eh]

Emily G is so laaaaaazzyy. Where is your 6th name change already?!?!

[rinnikirun]

Gestures.

[Nemome]

Yeah ven
I really have to say that it was worth that you sold your PS3. Definitely much more stuff and improvment.

For the last gestures it is interesting to see how different we do them.
Perhaps I should try out your methode too.

Keep it up!

[Shahan]

hey long time!
Niiiiice stuff, huge improvement! especially the heads with the planes here

[rinnikirun]

KChen studies!

[Shahan]

KChen studies!

WOW i really like these torsos. and the way you draw the shoulder blade's tube forms like rectangular prisms portruding off the chest that is a simplified ovular sphere really helps me. I'm having trouble with the upper torso so this was really exciting to look at. I don't know how big the chest muscles compared to the deltoids should be... it always seems weird for me, also how when you have the initial sphere for the chest/rib cage and seeing how you connected everything to that like the shoulders and waist...basically what i'm saying is NICE tubeforms and simplified body!!!
the legs you have coming out the waists are nice and have nice flow and i have the most trouble with that... i cant get my figures to stand on the ground with out looking weird. that "prismatic underwear" and how leg bones come out.

the last 3 images were especially helpful for me.

i didnt know what KChen was until now and thanks for that!
Yeah these studies are cool, i like your art a lot.

this drawing was the only one that looked odd to me but i dont know how to do abdominals myself so.
good stuff

[rinnikirun]

bad update. After drawing all these torso's I realize that I just drew what I saw, . I drew the same mistakes over and over..and over again. Yea I got some information down, but I could have gotten more if I actually "studied" the information. No one to blame but myself, so here's a big F U to myself.

[rinnikirun]

Self-portrait

[BHCS]

Fantastic studies, keep it up!

With the portrait, well. Drawings in general, try to imagine a line linking two key points together, use its angle/length to better judge your drawing accuracy. Sometimes with so many things going on in the image it is hard to judge the large overall shape, but doing that should help to some extent.

Shall be checking in here far more often!

[rinnikirun]

@ BHCS You mean like perspective lines? Thanks

Self Portraits, nothing over 10 minutes. I attempted to color today I chosen water color and it was pretty fun as I haven't colored ANYTHING in a very very long time. sorry the scan was bad. Head tilting sp was.. hard time to hunt for water color tutorials!

[BHCS]

Good to see you are contemplating the 3D forms more and more in your drawings

There are plenty of good anatomy studies, but I think it would be good to spend a few days purely on proportions. Your legs and arms seem to be very skinny, jumping into the muscles but ignoring the general volume of the body may trip you up further down the road. Spend some time on your thighs!


As for what I meant in my last post, not perspective lines, but just try to judge features in relation to each-other more. Imagine a grid in your vision, try to recognise things lying on the same vertical/horizontal axis. If the center of your pupil is perfectly above the side of your lip, make sure it is so on your drawing! Look around your subject matter to find things like that, it should really help.

[Cojac]

I love your line work. And the last portrait is really good. I see great improvement since your first post. Just keep going.

[rinnikirun]

-self portrait thread in sig -

[rinnikirun]

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[Psychobuddy]

HOT DAMN!

It's coming out great...tilts are crappy, but just keep it up, maybe try somethings from loomis...do some extra face studies. It really helps.

[rinnikirun]

NYERR--

[HarbingerofIllRepute]

Great studies

[Neyut]

Yo it's me again
got something that may will help you to draw portaits ^^
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14119

I think it's a quite good tutorial, but i am too lazy to use and read all the text lol
Hope you got more endurance xD

[TinyBird]

Well, though I think you're doing fine, I think it would do you good to observe stuff from video too. One thing I see you almost always miss with your torso muscle studies is the movement and "squeezing" of the pecs. This is one of those things that's hard to notice when you don't actually see it happen.

[rinnikirun]

Ahh I can't believe i missed that, thanks TinyBird!

[Andrew Sonea]

Nice to see someone young on here working hard. And seeing as you are young, I guess I should tell you about the Teen Challenge in case you weren't aware. I just posted a new topic so you can get an early start if you want to enter

As for feedback on your stuff...well I think you are headed in the right direction. I'd warn you to be careful on the studies though. Two things--one is you aren't always paying enough attention to proportion (rushing it a bit perhaps? Try slowing down and really try analyzing/breaking it down). The second is that you are doing lots and lots of studies after other artists such as Kevin Chen and Bridgman, both very good sources, but you aren't applying it enough. I'd try to include a few more studies from imagination, a few from photos, and if you have the chance a few from life (either life drawing or getting parents/friends to pose).

As for your mentioning lighting being a problem...try reading through this:
http://www.huevaluechroma.com/021.php

It might be a bit technical and more than what you want at this point, but covers it very thoroughly. Basically there are two little "tricks" for getting convincing lighting. One is to separate the lights form the darks--the lightest value in the shadow is still darker than the darkest value in the light (Caravaggio is a great example of taking this to an extreme). The other is to include a core shadow, which will really sell the forms.

Hope all that helps!

[Samszym]

holy crap Ven your lines are so clean!
You need to more drawing from imagination though!

I think your hatching's showing form well enough, but it looks a little random and distracting. You should study how Rembrandt and Franklin Booth did it, artists who specialize in prints have absolutely phenomenal lines. You could study Gustave Dore too, if you feel like going insane.

[Samszym]

Dude the anatomy studies are sick! Glad to see some drawings from imagination. Now do more stuff from imagination.
You just drew the same face three times with a different hairstyle. And their eyes. They are so small. You know the proportion rule is there's about one eye between the eyes, not 1 and a half or 2 eyes between. So draw it like that.
If you want to draw heads then draw some skulls. Like tons of skulls. learn the form of the jaw and where the features of the face fit and what sizes they can be and still look good. Maybe go back to Drawing the Head and hands for a refresher. Draw from imagination and vary the faces! You seem inclined to draw small-eyed people with wide faces, make yourself draw thin faces with big eyes or something.

Or just keep focusing on arms and master one part of the body at a time I don't know, maybe the heads were just a warm up

Oh one final thing, there's a decent bit of space between the collar bones. Actually they're separated by a bone called the manubrium. Know it.

keep up the good work bro!

[Psychobuddy]

Hey bro...I've already given you some advice but here's another tid bit...
I know you were having trouble with your portraits always looking like you...
well draw other people. Loomis isn't just for me you know

[FightingSeraph]

I see that you have improved quite nicely. With that being said, I suggest that you do more imaginative material along with those studies.

[Falchion]

Not sure if the faces on the last set of updates was deliberate or not, but you might want to block out the features with the rest of the head to keep them in proportion.

[rinnikirun]

Thanks for the crits.
Vertical- Thanks sam! I'll tackle heads again, just visiting area's of anatomy I have barely touched on
School is almost over, but exams are coming!