Confused about gesture drawing

[armando]

Gesture in the simplest term is the relationship between things.

That relationship between two objects can be seen as the "action", " stretch and pinch contrast", "weight", "scale", etc.


It is usually the relationship between the two forms that we care about and it is what gives the objects context and meaning (or function).

Without gesture, what we are drawing is only isolated objects and we are not seeing the bigger picture.

In other words composition. "Relationship" and "action" are not exactly synonymous.

Like how Glenn Vilppu like to put it, "Draw verbs, not nouns~!!"

No offence but I don't care for aphorisms. Once you call attention to verbs you call attention to nouns, and with this the awareness of drawing as a language. The movements of the body itself can be analyzed as a language:

Labanotation



Xeon_OND: sometimes 1 and sometimes 2.

[Arshes Nei]

This thread can go from informative to headache pretty fast.

[JeffX99]

This thread can go from informative to headache pretty fast.

Indeed...it amazes me how much can be written without saying anything.

[Conniekat8]

I think we have a bit of an example here for the reason gesture drawing exercises exist in the first place... not everyone engaging in drawing or painting of figures 'gets' or understands this stuff intuitively.

I know Kevin said earlier in this thread that 'people do' and I was hesitant to disagree... But... not being privy to the super talented circles of artists, I seem to see a *few* people around, in life, in art classes etc, of people who don't get it intuitively.

I could be wrong about this, because I go from memory, but isn't part of aspergers and autism the more extreme version of people not picking up, or not understanding (or some of both) the human expressions, various nonverbal cues of face and body etc... that are necessary for social interaction? Those being the more extreme cases, in the abnormal range, I would think there are various levels of the ability in the normal range as well.

I wonder what would be on the opposite spectrum of the ability, where it's extremely pronounced, as opposed to near absent?

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I think we have a bit of an example here for the reason gesture drawing exercises exist in the first place... not everyone engaging in drawing or painting of figures 'gets' or understands this stuff intuitively.

I know Kevin said earlier in this thread that 'people do' and I was hesitant to disagree... But... not being privy to the super talented circles of artists, I seem to see a *few* people around, in life, in art classes etc, of people who don't get it intuitively.

Part of the confusion is that there are different interpretations, by students as well as by teachers. I've been studying gestures for four years now, by myself from Nico, and from five different teachers, each of them following a slightly different approach, one of them more or less matching my own intuition.

I could be wrong about this, because I go from memory, but isn't part of aspergers and autism the more extreme version of people not picking up, or not understanding (or some of both) the human expressions, various nonverbal cues of face and body etc... that are necessary for social interaction? Those being the more extreme cases, in the abnormal range, I would think there are various levels of the ability in the normal range as well.

I wonder what would be on the opposite spectrum of the ability, where it's extremely pronounced, as opposed to near absent?

I think it is called ADD

[JeffX99]

Part of the confusion is that there are different interpretations, by students as well as by teachers. I've been studying gestures for four years now, by myself from Nico, and from five different teachers, each of them following a slightly different approach, one of them more or less matching my own intuition.

Right...so I'm curious, you didn't really draw a distinction there, there are different approaches, naturally, but is there anything in common? What I mean is are they all shooting for the same basic thing with gesture? If so what is that common factor, if not how do they differ?

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Right...so I'm curious, you didn't really draw a distinction there, there are different approaches, naturally, but is there anything in common? What I mean is are they all shooting for the same basic thing with gesture? If so what is that common factor, if not how do they differ?

Some approaches:
1. Fast and blind, running line
2. Get directions of limbs right, emphasis on action, running line
3. Anything goes, as long as it is readable
4. Getting directions of limbs and proportions right from the start, running line

What they have in common is that they all go for the same, though some emphasise proportions and structure more than action. I don't care so much about the differences, if only some teachers didn't have the habit of stopping me dead in my tracks with "what does this line mean?" or "I see what you're trying to do, and it doesn't work"

[Conniekat8]

I think it is called ADD

LOL, I have *that* in abundance!

[JeffX99]

Some approaches:
1. Fast and blind, running line
2. Get directions of limbs right, emphasis on action, running line
3. Anything goes, as long as it is readable
4. Getting directions of limbs and proportions right from the start, running line

What they have in common is that they all go for the same, though some emphasise proportions and structure more than action. I don't care so much about the differences, if only some teachers didn't have the habit of stopping me dead in my tracks with "what does this line mean?" or "I see what you're trying to do, and it doesn't work"

That's sort of what I meant...they're all going for an initial, quick statement that captures the attitude of the pose. I use "attitude" because many poses are not at all about action, but repose...which still has attitude of course.

Every artist, and every tool has their own approach...watercolor or ink, laid in with a twig, or brush is different than a bar of compressed charcoal.

I think it's ok for them to question things, they're just tring to help you see, understand or even defend your approach. Saying it's flat out wrong maybe not, but if they're trying to teach a particular approach it might be valid.

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I'll have to ask the teacher once I'm in the class again.

Any news on this?

[Azuerous]

EDIT: I made a mistake and thought his thread was mine because I had it open from last night and its the same problem I had

So sorry for the resurrection!!!