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[Arish]

A bit late, but it's still May 20 in some parts of the world, heh. I know the rendering is rushed ... should have started this sooner.

Loving everyone's drawings so far (and thanks Jason for posting the time-lapse video! I learned some tricks from it).

[lorddon]

Ran out of time. I need to learn to work as fast as the rest of you.

[Raoul Duke]

Zwarrior- Every time I stop to read one of your posts or click on your links I completely regret it. You have a serious problem with treating people like idiots. You seem to have your emotions crossed with facts. Same goes for everybody that responds. It usually just gets dumber and dumber. I respect the opposition to EDMD. What I have no respect for is the panic and hatred on either side. This is not a hate crime it's an exercise of tolerance.

[s.ketch]

Well when you are a majority, you tend to care less about petty insults.

Atheists and non-religious folk are a minority. So yeah, I'm pretty sure they're worried about their rights atm.

[I am Alexander]

Well when you are a majority, you tend to care less about petty insults. When you're a minority, you plea for respect and a getting a fair image. All minorities do so, but no one seems to care for Muslims.

Uh, last time I checked, Muslims were NOT a minority (maybe in America, but CERTAINLY not on an international scale . . . and to me, this is an international issue). And as BuckWeisel said, atheists are NOT a majority.

And citing news stations that draw parallels between Obama and Muslims in a negative way? What is that, Fox news? No one with even a fraction of reason takes them seriously.

ALSO, Pakistan banning Facebook and Youtube is NOT a reflection of how Muslims are treated. It's a reflection of how Muslims (well, Pakistanis) treat themselves. A very POOR reflection, I might add. Hell, I'm honestly surprised those sites weren't banned there AGES ago. For crying out loud, they won't even let their women show their faces. Blaming anyone but the Pakistani Muslims themselves is sheer idiocy, plain and simple.

[crossmirage]

Well when you are a majority, you tend to care less about petty insults. When you're a minority, you plea for respect and a getting a fair image. All minorities do so, but no one seems to care for Muslims.

Muslim majority country here. I would like to disagree with what you said about majority = less affected by petty stuff.

[nauvice]

You have a serious problem with treating people like idiots.

???? buhhh okay, not even my intention, but i've been told this before. I dont disrespect anyone here (intentionally). if you feel belittled it might be in ur own head

Atheists and non-religious folk are a minority. So yeah, I'm pretty sure they're worried about their rights atm.

referring to christians

It's a reflection of how Muslims (well, Pakistanis) treat themselves.

Not blaming the event, just pointing out so far the results of this event (even indirectly) are negative. Its now just the day after, so maybe something good will come up, but I really doubt conservative muslims are going to say "okay, from now on anyone can draw mohammed for the freedom of speech!". not very likely but you must be expecting some sort of gain out of your effort?

[nauvice]

Muslim majority country here. I would like to disagree with what you said about majority = less affected by petty stuff.

im sorry I cant watch the entire 23min vid, is it all concerning Christians using the word Allah, and the terrorism that happens in those christian churches? If so I really doubt that's a reflection of the majority of Maylasians

[karma militia]

May as well spam this here too;

Gorgeous stuff man. Can i ask the names of the songs?

[xerenity]

aw, bless you guys...

Some satire stuff, some serious stuff.... kewl, the world didn't explode;the Universe didn't fail on us...

good job

[crossmirage]

im sorry I cant watch the entire 23min vid, is it all concerning Christians using the word Allah, and the terrorism that happens in those christian churches? If so I really doubt that's a reflection of the majority of Maylasians

Yeah, basically. It's not the Malaysians as in the nationality, but roughly 60% of the total population, who are Muslims. All ethnic Malays (also that same majority) are considered Muslim as per the Constitution.

There are a handful of that 60% who do not condone the attacks, but those are mostly the more laid-back East Malaysians.

We got a church attacked too in EM, along with a mosque. Not that West Malaysia cares, but I digress.

[Jason Rainville]

Gorgeous stuff man. Can i ask the names of the songs?

The fist one is Thrown Away by Vast, the second is Vivaldi's Summer allegro non molto

[Arshes Nei]

The "Draw Mohammad Day" is stupid. Both sides I feel are acting ridiculously. It's not the first time anyone has received death threats for expressing their opinion. Receiving death threats is ridiculous.

I respect people's right to draw and freedom of artistic expression. The thing is this energy is always into doing something to piss someone off or go "neener neener".

Look at the Artists for example, going over to 3rd wolrd countries and trying to make it better. We ignore it and go for the shit stirring more.

I did enjoy some of the art the day created but man....I wish people would put more positive energy into things sometimes.

[lorddon]

The "Draw Mohammad Day" is stupid. Both sides I feel are acting ridiculously. It's not the first time anyone has received death threats for expressing their opinion. Receiving death threats is ridiculous.

I respect people's right to draw and freedom of artistic expression. The thing is this energy is always into doing something to piss someone off or go "neener neener".

I did enjoy some of the art the day created but man....I wish people would put more positive energy into things sometimes.

If you think the day was stupid after some of the more intelligent posts in this thread then you still just don't get it. I was disappointed in some of the more blatant borderline racist stuff that was posted on the facebook page but I knew conceptart would keep things top shelf.

The day was important, to express solidarity with those receiving death threats or who have even died for simply expressing themselves. We won't tolerate violence as a response to free speech, of any kind. We will not be cowed by threats into silence.

I hate the Westboro Baptist Church and everything they stand for but I will stand up for their right to spew the vile things they say, free speech is THAT important to me.

[Arshes Nei]

If you think the day was stupid after some of the more intelligent posts in this thread then you still just don't get it. I was disappointed in some of the more blatant borderline racist stuff that was posted on the facebook page but I knew conceptart would keep things top shelf.

The day was important, to express solidarity with those receiving death threats or who have even died for simply expressing themselves. We won't tolerate violence as a response to free speech, of any kind. We will not be cowed by threats into silence.

I hate the Westboro Baptist Church and everything they stand for but I will stand up for their right to spew the vile things they say, free speech is THAT important to me.

Yeah thank you for not reading what I stated.

[Brendan N]

The "Draw Mohammad Day" is stupid. Both sides I feel are acting ridiculously. It's not the first time anyone has received death threats for expressing their opinion. Receiving death threats is ridiculous.

I respect people's right to draw and freedom of artistic expression. The thing is this energy is always into doing something to piss someone off or go "neener neener".

Look at the Artists for example, going over to 3rd world countries and trying to make it better. We ignore it and go for the shit stirring more.

I did enjoy some of the art the day created but man....I wish people would put more positive energy into things sometimes.

I haven't seen those drawings posted on Facebook, and from what I've heard many have been wholly immature about the idea. I hope that you'll might be able to look at some of the artworks made on here and agree that they're of a different caliber. I agree with you - it is childish; I feel that even my partaking in it was a bit childish. But I must disagree with you and say that I did not invest energy negatively. Muslims and Islam are really just a footnote to the idea I am defending, and the reason - at least for my participance - is decidedly positive.

And I further also agree with you - people need to invest more positive energy into things. In a perfect world, this should not have been an issue at all. But not only is the world not perfect, everyone's idea of perfect is different. You just need to take the opportunities you get that will make the world better (from your point of view). Not only is that what the subscribers here have done, they have also defended that very idea.

[lorddon]

Yeah thank you for not reading what I stated.

I read what you said, and the conceptart guys going to 3rd world countries is very admirable. This also isn't a zero sum game, and drawing the prophet in a show of solidarity can have it's own positive effects, depending on how you handle it.

I still say you're wrong by dismissing the whole day out of hand, even if this thread is the only positive example to come of it. (which it isn't, this is another good examination of the situation)

[the ANGRY filipino]

@arshes: I read what you wrote and understand where you are coming from...for you, the time/effort put into the drawings could have been put to better use.....for those who did the drawings, it was time/effort put to good use.
It just all depends on where one stands on this issue I guess.
I think what might have put some people off by your response was the "stupid" part though. But it is your right to say what is on your mind, without fear of physically violent reprisal, exactly the kind of thing this whole event was trying to fight for.

[Arshes Nei]

But I must disagree with you and say that I did not invest energy negatively. Muslims and Islam are really just a footnote to the idea I am defending, and the reason - at least for my participance - is decidedly positive.

And I further also agree with you - people need to invest more positive energy into things. In a perfect world, this should not have been an issue at all. But not only is the world not perfect, everyone's idea of perfect is different. You just need to take the opportunities you get that will make the world better (from your point of view). Not only is that what the subscribers here have done, they have also defended that very idea.

Well here is the question for you. Would you have drawn it without needing a campaign because someone was pissed off at someone else being pissed off?

I can guarantee the human condition is that most people reacted exactly the above way. It wasn't because "I just feel like drawing it" it was let's make it a big deal to show who has a bigger stick.

That doesn't mean I dismissed the idea of artistic freedom. I honestly don't care if you feel like drawing something offensive any day of the week that is your right. I feel the campaign is not positive in anyway shape or form due to the human condition. This is how people react - it is unfortunately no way of getting around it - a pissing match. No matter how much energy you felt you put into it positively it is indeed negative.

Which is why I also stated I wish more effort was done in more positive ways. I already know this is not gonna happen. For example, look at the violence in Thailand right now. It would be interesting to see an artistic effort to express the situation. However, again I am aware the human condition likes to deal with simple things. Draw Mohammad is simple enough idea to latch onto.

I mean people can of course prove that wrong. I'm just saying these things get blown up more than other more positive efforts, which is why the whole thing is just stupid. It's not the first time people have challenged artistic expression with death threats, nor it will be the last.

Keep doing it everyday not just make up a day and blow it up to agonizing proportions because you feel like showing off your big stick :/

[Arshes Nei]

I think what might have put some people off by your response was the "stupid" part though. But it is your right to say what is on your mind, without fear of physically violent reprisal, exactly the kind of thing this whole event was trying to fight for.

The event isn't really "fighting for" that's the whole problem. Doing something everyday without making it some one day campaign is when that freedom is truly fought. A revolution is not done in one day. An "Earth Day" doesn't clean up the Earth. Otherwise it's a commercial holiday blown up without the sales tag.

[Brendan N]

Well here is the question for you. Would you have drawn it without needing a campaign because someone was pissed off at someone else being pissed off?

I can guarantee the human condition is that most people reacted exactly the above way. It wasn't because "I just feel like drawing it" it was let's make it a big deal to show who has a bigger stick.

That doesn't mean I dismissed the idea of artistic freedom. I honestly don't care if you feel like drawing something offensive any day of the week that is your right. I feel the campaign is not positive in anyway shape or form due to the human condition. This is how people react - it is unfortunately no way of getting around it - a pissing match. No matter how much energy you felt you put into it positively it is indeed negative.

Which is why I also stated I wish more effort was done in more positive ways. I already know this is not gonna happen. For example, look at the violence in Thailand right now. It would be interesting to see an artistic effort to express the situation. However, again I am aware the human condition likes to deal with simple things. Draw Mohammad is simple enough idea to latch onto.

I mean people can of course prove that wrong. I'm just saying these things get blown up more than other more positive efforts, which is why the whole thing is just stupid. It's not the first time people have challenged artistic expression with death threats, nor it will be the last.

Keep doing it everyday not just make up a day and blow it up to agonizing proportions because you feel like showing off your big stick :/

I think you should clarify (and correct me if I'm wrong) that yours is a criticism of the event, not of those on here who partook in it? I certainly see how you feel the event was stupid, and as I've stated before in this thread, so do I. But certainly don't feel that the piece I made was stupid, nor my reasons for making it. I certainly don't think it is about me feeling like showing off my big stick.

Would I have have done this if there was no campaign? Almost definitely no. Would I have done something comparable in one of my future projects? Definitely yes. And I will again. Especially now that I relate more to the subject. Whether I use this campaign to pursue something or whether I pursue it on my own later is a footnote. Doing both discards that footnote.

[s.ketch]

Why is FOE given such a qualitative property? We're not expressing our FOE if we don't do it everyday? Or we're not doing it if an event or group prompts us? Even if someone was saying something legally protected under the law out of spite, it's still freedom of expression. It's not a lesser form of speech that doesn't deserve the same protection. I don't buy guns everyday, I don't form peaceful protests everyday, I don't have the need for a speedy trial everyday. But the rights apply everyday.

So, once again, whether or not Muhammad is drawn because a client asked an artist to draw him or whether some 16 year old draws Muhammad because he is pissed at religion is not the issue.

[Arshes Nei]

I think you should clarify (and correct me if I'm wrong) that yours is a criticism of the event, not of those on here who partook in it?

Correct. It's become an irritating knee-jerk reaction in society where we have to make up One day events to have some quick "Feel good" reaction like it made a difference.

We tend to participate in it cuz it's easy and sadly also easily forgotten later on. Trend.

While I was born in an Islamic country, I'm definitely not a practicing one. I'm not offended at the drawings at all.

I just don't buy the event "is a real cause for an issue we're fighting for". We do this on a daily basis by expressing ourselves how we want, it needs to continue that way.

[LORD M]

Muhammad should have been this weeks CHOW. Would fit freakin perfect.

[biglu]

[sharprm]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...eats-newspaper

The image, in the Mail & Guardian, shows Muhammad lying on a couch complaining to a psychiatrist: "Other prophets have followers with a sense of humour!..."

Today the paper's editor-in-chief, Nic Dawes, and other staff were fielding calls from angry readers. Anonymous comments included "You've got to watch your back," and "This will cost him his life."

Zapiro, whose real name is Jonathan Shapiro, received a threatening call this morning from someone calling himself "Muhammad". Zapiro replied: "Which Muhammad is that?" and the caller became abusive.

Zapiro, who is Jewish but widely known as a critic of Israel's treatment of Palestinians, said he was unrepentant. Asked about the offence caused to Muslims by depictions of Muhammad, he said: "They should get over it."

trolling someone making a threatening call wow.

edit: googling muhammed day came up with this:

“There’s only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures, and the Dutch.” — Nigel Powers

I guess for many Muslims today, Nigel Powers hit it right on the button!

http://practicalmuslims.wordpress.co...s-fajah-right/

way to go using a self-contradictory statement to outline your position.

[xerenity]

I respect the original reason why Muhammad was never meant to be shown in art or idolized; he did not want to be shown as a false God above Allah. He did not want people worshiping him, only Allah. I honestly respect that.

This wasn't about disrespecting the Muslim faith. This was to stand up and say enough is enough. It's sad that in religion, where we should find hope and love and beauty towards life, we are only finding hate and discrimination (among the "leading" religions, ofc.). When did love for God and Life become hate for everyone else who doesn't see it your way?

[nauvice]

where we should find hope and love and beauty towards life, we are ONLY finding hate and discrimination

proof?

[Jason Rainville]

proof?

Agreed, overgeneralization ftl

No more pictures?

[sharprm]

So who's signing up for June 30th Everybody draw holocaust day? Free speech and all that.