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    Hope this little paintover gets my point across. But basically one the key things of doing any sort of environment (and almost drawing anything) is getting a good sense of depth, and thus creating a space. You can do stuff like perspective and atmospheric perspective, but with natural environments its pretty much a mix of perspective and overlapping that create depth. If you have clear areas where objects overlap - and then they are scaled correctly - it immediately creates the idea of the depth. The idea of overlapping - especially in your picture is the verticals across the basic horizontal of the river. Try to think of the river as a completely flat plain so all lines/strokes flow horizontally and then everything is jutting out of it so to speak.

    You picked a pretty difficult picture in as much the left hand side of the picture is not very well defined, many of the rocks are of similar colour/tone and the tree in the foreground also merges with it. But your main objective should be simplifying out all the big basic shapes and establishing them in a space.

    I know this is all pretty obvious but sometimes its easy to skip over the easy stuff. Sometimes its better to try and keep it simple.
    Hope this helps you out... and makes sense.
    This is over the original photo too btw.

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    PHATandy - thanks a lot man - really appreciate the crit! So essentially you are saying that next time I work on it I should try and accentuate those overlaps to give more depth to it? I'll work on that today a little more, to try and establish those overlaps.

    You say its really obvious but to me its really not - I've never tried a landscape before (or really any painting other than the portrait posted in this SB) so it really helps me identify what I should be looking for straight away

    Btw no worries about the new page - totally worth it!

    Here are todays anatomy studies - the figures are drawn from imagination as are a couple of the feet but the rest is from Bridgman's Life Drawing.
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    Nice SB you've started. Still early days on the life drawing. Cross hatching with charcoal is one way to define the form and is probably a lot easier than trying to shade and smudge. Keep it loose to start with and then define a bit more when you're more confident.

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    Black Spot - thanks for commenting in here, I will remember to try and cross hatch first! I only really resorted to smudging because the piece of charcoal I had was about as thick as my thumb and each of those drawings is fairly small! Thanks for the comment and I'll try and include some hatched charcoal in here somewhere

    Here are yesterdayys that I was too lazy to upload at 1 o clock last night! :p
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    you are studying hard, keep it up! I like the Sargent one!

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    Good work Tom, rock on! Nothing to crit right now =)
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    Nice updates, you're linework has improved immensely since the first page. Really dig those Bridgman studies as well.

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    Tizzy - Thanks so much, yeah Im working hard to try and reach my future art goals!

    erdbeerfeldheld - thankyou, really appreciate the encouragement and the visit to this little SB!

    cgaddict - thanks for the compliment dude, I am loving doing Bridgman anatomy at the moment! I have a few more things to post tonight but I will leave them until later when I will have done a few more...

    I downloaded the student version of Autodesk 3DS max yesterday and have been running through some of the tutorials, I have to admit its an amazing piece of software and its really helping me think in more 3-d terms. I shall post a couple of examples of what I'm working on later!
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    Hey man, I you and I are quite the same, you have killer drawings but the colors is the hard part.
    From what I've seen in your paintings I would say, use harder and bigger brushes, simplify and focus on the big shapes and then go into details.

    And try to make gradients between the colors on the skintones. And don't use a soft brush with high opacity. It's obvious that you are confident in the colors themselves and that you know which tones go where. So it's mainly the brush settings and theory that need some fix.

    Also use a soft brush with low opacity, pic a general color and stroke it gently over the furthest parts in your landscape paintings. That will create a haze, which makes it look awesome.
    I myself is no landscape painter but I have a friend who taught me just that.

    Now paint some more!

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    Emilmaxen - thanks for stopping by my SB, and for the critique and compliment! Also really appreciate the advice on the painting side of things. Although for the moment I am concentrating on just getting my pencil work good I'm also branching out on to some other things in order to get a feel for all sorts of mediums!

    I'll paint and post some more in here, although generally I dont have much time at the moment (final year exams in about a week) so it will have to be after then probably. As i said earlier I downloaded the student version of 3DS Max yesterday and have been working through the tutorials (with the aim of getting good enough to be able to honestly put it on my CV when the time comes...). Here are just a couple of things I've done today and yesterday with some doodlings too... hope the attachment manager works this time (it didnt a minute ago)
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    Have not posted in ages because I have finals at the moment - after the 1st I am going to be working part time and concentrating on art!!

    Just to put something up here is something I was working on before exams (its destroying me not drawing and posting stuff on here, and revising instead!) This is modelled in 3DS max (I havent just taken a picture of a cardboard box I swear!)
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    The cardboard box is looking good, great attention to detail!
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    your studies are looking really good, especially all the anatomy. Keep on working hard

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    Love the cardboard box, especially the masking tape. Excellent work.

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    Great going Thomas! Really hard and inspiring work! And I must add it's really fun to meet another biology student here on CA!

    Keep up the life-drawings, it will teach you how to see mass and how to pose the body better. I think you shloud watch out with the proportions, focusing on this will make your drawings appeal more. I learn't a lot about proportions from this thread by Menlter here on CA: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26748 I recomend you checking it out.


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    The wineglass, always always always one of the first things done in a 3D class.

    I like the cardboard box, it would be fun to duplicate them and play around trying to set them up in certain ways.

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    Nice updates, the cardboard box is ace. Keep it up!

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    Thanks to everyone that has posted recently! I Will post a reply to everyone in two days (when my exams are over) but in the meantime here is something I did before the exam period started. I feel guilty not posting every day like before...!

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    Im back baby!! BOOM!

    After a break of at least three weeks (more like a month) for exam revision for my Zoology finals, I have finally finished Uni and now have the summer to really concentrate on Art!!! (wooh!)

    Eerdbeerfeldheld - thanks very much dude, appreciate the encouragement

    jskotte - thanks for the compliments about the studies, I actually am starting to enjoy doing them now that I realise they are slowly helping and each one puts me a little closer towards my final goals

    Black spot - Thanks v much, appreciate the compliment!

    Lord M - Hey dude yeah nice to hear from you, and yeah I will watch those proportions, in fact I have been on that thread of mentlers and saved a lot of his (massive folder on my computer) anatomy studies in order to learn from. Some are even in this post I think.

    Hippl5 - Yeah what a basic thing to start with, but anything is better than nothing! And its such a complex program. Cheers for stopping by

    Cgaddict - Appreciate the encouragement, I'll be checking out some of your stuff after this post!


    Anyway, here are some anatomy studies and a portrait of patrick stewart which took about 30 mins and actually looks terrible now ive photographed it. If anything though I'm happy about this as the mistakes become more obvious!

    Here goes nothing...
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    well, what can I say? I like where you are going...doing studies should never be underestimated..
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    I tell you what, for someone who hasn't had any art training / lessons, you are seriously awesome!

    Keep up the loomis and Bridgman work, it really has bought you a long way, and the enviros are getting better!

    Keep up the good work and take care
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    Nice studies, ThomasM! Although your lines are very bold and stylized so makes them more like cartoon's, your drawings are very appealing

    If I may give any comment, it would be that you need to work more on your proportion. This problem showed especially in your drawings that involving 3/4 views and also in foreshortening, where even little mistake in proportion would be really noticable.

    As in my experience, trying to draw much much bigger would make you better at this. Let's say that you usually doodling in a small sketchbook, then just draw in A4 paper. Or as I noticed, you tend to "cramp" many figures in one page, then try to fill that one page with one figure only. Draw it big and detailed, while sometimes take some step away from the paper to see it from the distance...

    Keep going, I'll be rooting for you!


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    Theangryfilipino - Thanks very much dude! Glad to have the support!

    Norris - Really appreciate that thanks very much, I havent had any lessons but I have put in quite a few hours :p

    Bluezace - Hey man thanks very much for the critique. Usually I do tend to "cram" the figures in the page (although my sketchbook is A3!) I will work more on proportion over the coming weeeks and months and hopefully you will see the change in ability! Appreciate the support too Bram!

    Here is something else I have been working on tonight.. Has taken at least an hour (and I know it doesnt look like it) because I am SHOCKING at painting having no real idea what I am doing. I also paint a lot less but anyway enough excuses..
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    On the Loomis studies the hips are a bit narrow. A woman, unless a stick insect, has lovely curves and part of that is the hips.

    The landscape is nice, but the branch on the beach needs a strong shadow.

    Keep it up.

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    I don't really understand yet about painting, so I couldn't comment about technique or stroke or things like that. But your painting is so lovely, remind me of a beach I used to play with my friends. The calmness of sea, in harmony with the freshness of green leaves. I really like the colour of your trees...


    And yes, enough excuses! Get back to drawing and painting, ThomasM! Hehehe
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    Nice progress friend! Keep working and you'll get there! I see a real spark in your works.

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    Good stuff confident lines. Some of the faces could be a bit better. Don't be afraid to put construction lines in measure the distances between eyes etc with pencil or if in photoshop use a grid. Great stuff more please.

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    Keep on going my friend, those studies are going to do wonders! Figures are getting some good volume

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    good stuff man! diggin all the studies you do! just keep in mind that if you want to really understand muscle and thus the mass of the body, you NEED to understand the skeleton first. if you know that the rest is relatively easy since muscles "only" connect two points of the skeleton in a very logical way DO IT!!

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    Blackspot - thanks for the crit's - I'll bear that in mind next time I'm doing the hips in particular for women. appreciate it.

    Bluezace - Haha yeah no time for excuses really, need to be studying more and chatting less. Thanks for the compliment, and for stopping by!

    Hellbeard - Thanks very much, hopefully you will see some progress in the coming months (and years!)

    Mitze- yeah I really need to remember some of the construction lines - particularly the more vertical ones like eye widths relative to nose and positioning of mouth/eyes..

    Jakers - thanks buddy, I'm getting there one small step at a time

    Gloominati - Now that you mention it yeah I havent studied the skeleton properly! Thanks for bringing that to my attention dude, I hadnt even noticed... I will put in some skeletal study in the next few weeks for sure!

    Anyway these are from the last couple of days - I was away visiting a friend in Plymouth Uni but still managed to squeeze in these sketches while i was there. The first is some kids characters I did on the train. Second is Westbury station (was waiting for another train) - the photo of that one is shocking. The Third is some stuff from imagination (and a picture of asterix i drew whilst watching "asterix conquers america". Lastly, I wanted to test myself so I tried drawing a male head and face from imagination with an emotion to boot...
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