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[Vatsel]

fudge -I'm not promising anything haha. I need criticism, otherwise posting is pointless





There's no way to make this dynamic

also I need to fix some edges and those eye highlights are too big.. anyone got anymore??

[~KJK~]

Im running on late hours so ill try to keep this brief first of all, its not bad at all, it has loads of potential, i love how youre playing with textures and colors but why leave it there? play with more colors and different combinations, art is your playground! When painting skintones, especially a portrait with a cool background like the one you have over there i suggest using warmer colors on skin to draw the eye to the subject easier, and it gives a nice contrast as well. also i suggest staying far from grays and whites in portraits, it easily makes the rest of the skintones look muddy. Use a bigger brush when shaping up the forms of the face to give you a better sense of the painting as a whole, I use as big brushes as possible in every situation to keep things solid and it also saves me a lot of time i hope you dont mind about this paintover i did for you. just keep working on it and it should come out good!

[danlambert]

I promise not to call you gay if you paint more men............


If you want to make a portrait of a girl showing no emotion dynamic, your best bet is fashion photography, You'll need to use make up, lighting, and play with exposure (or value ranges, or whatever the equivalent is in painting) to add the drama that's missing in the subject. But that's just window dressing really. Atm you have no strong value contrasts, very bland colours and not much edge variation and this is why it's not dynamic. Just boosting the secondary light and making it orange or something would help. Or perhaps a more interesting perspective? It doesn't seem like you went into this with dynamism in mind.
But regardless of what it isn't, what you have is nicely painted, the sensitivity of your brushwork is really helping to push the feminininininity and it's awesome to see you posting more regularly again. To take it further I think introducing a few more colours into the skin might help, few hits of warm pinks etc to give it some life. I'd probably lose all that stuff in the background as well, or at least tone it down, it's a bit distracting and doesn't add anything to the image.

Keep it sexy,

Ta ta

[kingkostas]

Seeing you play more with edges its great mate. I see the improvement while checking your sb after all these months. Guys gave nice feedback. And keep in your mind that color actually seems to have dimension. So use the saturation of color as a measure of near-far, and usually i see near= more saturation far=less saturation (thats why edges[areas facing away from the eye] seem to have desaturated/blueish/more grey hue)

improvement is obvious, just keep up the great work

[Alex Eh]

Hi vatsel, with the latest portrait I would suggest trying to think of a certain mood or feeling you wish to convey and then be ruthless to the image... It wants to look boring and it wants to look bad. You need to forcefully not allow it to be! More variety in the hues values and saturation will make it more dynamic
Find images you think are dynamic, think about why you feel that way about them and how you can come closer to achieveing that. Look at photography and see how they lit the face and the cool cast shadow shapes. Use reference to help you make the image you see in your head. Using reference well takes practice, it's very easy to start painting the reference and not the image in your head.

Find reference for make up, think about who she is, how do you inject that image in your mind onto the screen?

Just some thoughts

[Vatsel]

There's some serious knowledge sharing going on in this thread now!
Many thanks mates, I'm noting all and will use it to improve.



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Right, as it has become clear, I shouldn't have really tried to make that face study into an actual piece. It wasn't painted with a gesture to begin with, and I just got lazy and wanted to whip out a quick finished work for the portfolio.

Learning my lesson and moving on, hopefully I will use all the things you lot wrote down on this next piece I've got cookin'.
It's still very rough. The lines took me ages and will probably will have to be retouched as I progress with shading.

My construction is still lame and is holding me back. After this piece you might see less of me as I'd like to get back to more pencils for a while.

[danlambert]

She be sagging, someone get her a push up bra or something. That upper arm is away long as well. Mix up the colours a bit as well man, this seems like pretty much the same stuff as that last portrait, same features, same hair, even got a blue bg.

[Alex Eh]

Look forward to more in the future then! I think the small amount of yellow will add some good contrast. Maybe try making a scene? Give her a location.

[surfandsnow]

huge step up on this one http://vatsel.com/permgallery/2012/may/scissors.jpg
I love the light and the colors, it makes for a nice mood.

It still feels to me like your painting resolution might be a little low, but that might just be me.

For the last one you could try warming up the colors in the shadows around the hands and fingers and under the chin where the light would bounce around and get progressively warmer from bouncing off the skin.

[Vatsel]

thanks for your help, I really appreciate it!


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Yea I realized there's no use in working on the old stuff it's way too boring and I've made my observations




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I need your help/advice ! ! !

[danlambert]

I think you need to lay off the porn for a bit Mark, drawing pretty woman is one thing, but having a naked woman thrusting her crotch in the direction of a guy creeping towards her is quite another!

The portrait is a nice step forward, it's far more dynamic that the last few and she has much more attitude/emotion in her face. Your values are great as well but you're still playing it very safe with the skin tones. More reds in the cheeks and lips, tiny touch more yellow in the forehead etc anything you can do the give it some form and some fleshiness. Let's keep that hair nice and flowy and suggestive as well!

Take it easy.

[Vatsel]

Thanks dan!


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Back to art:


Am really not sure if I'm even taking the portrait in the right direction anymore... tried to go for a pale face + bright lipstick contrast and I think I've sharpened too many edges.


Here are some WIPs:

[Drew Walker]

siiiick