Any good

[Tomba]

I want to be very minimal yet capture a bit of the mechanical "cheapness" in what is Photoshop. I work with letting the form dictate where the piece is balanced and my choice of color is more a choice of mood.




TOMBA

[PuppyKitten]

I definitely like the mood.

I can't crit much else because it's pretty abstracted. It's awfully low-quality for a Finally Finished painting, but you said yourself that "cheap" feeling was the whole point, so maybe you want those jagged edges and stuff.

[Tomba]

I definitely like the mood.

I can't crit much else because it's pretty abstracted. It's awfully low-quality for a Finally Finished painting, but you said yourself that "cheap" feeling was the whole point, so maybe you want those jagged edges and stuff.

Correct my friend...

I feel that in general digital art hasn't had the opportunity to benefit from a distortion aspect as regularly painted canvas or even photography has. So the final product is in fact purposefully low quality to maybe 'emulate" or more so START this type of medium. For me I want to explore the simplicity of what a form is and then just perhaps minutely change it's aspect based of a said color(read:mood) and then render it low.

For me the world isn't perfect and I feel that with digital art, digital art hasn't had the chance to reflect this VERY real world apsect...

TOMBA

[PuppyKitten]

Without preaching, I would say that maybe you should be exposed to a few digital artists I know of who capture what I think you're yearning for in the digital medium.

I am at work so I can't link at the moment. But some of these guys, well you'd never even KNOW it's digital.

Hows about letting us see the reference you used? He looks like a cutie. ;P And uh, you know, it will help me critique proportions and effective shadow-simplification and other valid stuff...

[Tomba]

Without preaching, I would say that maybe you should be exposed to a few digital artists I know of who capture what I think you're yearning for in the digital medium.

I am at work so I can't link at the moment. But some of these guys, well you'd never even KNOW it's digital.

Hows about letting us see the reference you used? He looks like a cutie. ;P And uh, you know, it will help me critique proportions and effective shadow-simplification and other valid stuff...

Thank you for replying ...

i don't think it's about "knowing" what the subject matter the image derived from but rather just observing at what it NOW is...

for me i do not wish to capture the form or model in any certain way to 'depict" the image. What i prefer is loosely using the subject to form a simplicty from it. that is why i've chosen to work minimally with the form/sybject. the mood/color which i chose is more important becaue through color is where i think i've wanted to catch the most about the form/subject.

again though to go back to "other" digitally based artists who work. I feel that any artist mimicing the use of a paint brush is not what i most want to learn from. i am more interested in the simplicity in which you might use the program and if you approach it with a abstract mind you can then form you OWN reality within the mediums context...

[iambanana]

Without preaching, I would say that maybe you should be exposed to a few digital artists I know of who capture what I think you're yearning for in the digital medium.

I am at work so I can't link at the moment. But some of these guys, well you'd never even KNOW it's digital.

Hows about letting us see the reference you used? He looks like a cutie. ;P And uh, you know, it will help me critique proportions and effective shadow-simplification and other valid stuff...

I don't think there's much to critique, besides the colours he used. Pretty sure that's just a cutout-filter laid over a photo. With the background altered to some extent.
I guess that's part of the statement here, him just using a filter to make it digitally distorted and "cheap" and all that.

[Tomba]

I don't think there's much to critique, besides the colours he used. Pretty sure that's just a cutout-filter laid over a photo. With the background altered to some extent.
I guess that's part of the statement here, him just using a filter to make it digitally distorted and "cheap" and all that.

A part yes my friend, but one of more importance and disimportance.

To critique super realism and the way it uses realistic critiera is not my intent nor my want to... I am constantly amazed by how many prefer to super realize their work when in fact to abstract it is much more artistic as opposed to useful.

can artists. abstract artists take the digital medium and make it their own instead of the programs?

THIS is the question and minor debate.


I've always observered 'Finally finished' but never felt my work or thought process gelled with the more 'criteria" based pretext of showing...

But we are ALL artists and the basic premises of balance,order and handling of color is art as well no?

[Murgen]

oy... feels like freshman art class to me.

whats the point?
to point out that photoshop has ugly filters?

even abstract artists must invest time in their work to make it worth while. this is a 30 sec. project, which in my book is uninteresting.

there are plenty of 'abstract' artists here that utilize the digital medium effectively - this is not it.

[Tomba]

oy... feels like freshman art class to me.

whats the point?
to point out that photoshop has ugly filters?

even abstract artists must invest time in their work to make it worth while. this is a 30 sec. project, which in my book is uninteresting.

there are plenty of 'abstract' artists here that utilize the digital medium effectively - this is not it.

That is beside the point. what might appeal to you might be more "use of the program" when i tend to bastardize it. treat the program ina unhuman way and not be a slave to it. When you say "effective use" it almost refers to "mastery of the tool" which i am not trying to acheive here with photoshop. to me , and many artists there needs to be a time when you forgo conventionalism and just 'do' by way of pure expression. a 30 sec masterpeice is something that CAN happen. other artists have been able to express themselves in matters of sec's as well.


And whats to say that an investement in time came to the conclusion that indeed something like this needs to be done with the program something almost throw away uncaring?

just becasue you spend time with something doesn't mean that the conclusion you come up with is logical but illogical...

To discount the "ideaology' behind this is to discredit any form of FREE thinking and spirit focused work.

there are detailed and skilled artists out there that would love to just 'do" but can not and thats what holds them back from being different.

[Medieve]

I think what Murgen means to say is that your image isn't even worth mentioning. Ideas have to have backed up by process, ability, and grounding. Any visual art has to be treated visually first.

I'm not even sure you are even aware of what the contemporary art scene is developing into. Expressionism is giving way to a much more traditionalist scene. Portrait painters like Lucien Freud and Jenny Saville are the up and coming. They have their own commentary but impregnated in a very skillful, very researched method.

And bringing it back to digital art, you aren't even in the right place man. You might want to look into artists such as Marek Walczak and Martin Wattenberg http://www.mw2mw.com/. You are trying to bring up discussions about two very separate things, digital art and illustration, and looking very ignorant about. Illustration through a digital media is no different from traditional illustration, its still very much grounded in formal technique and evaluation and done under the same production environment. Digital media comments on the technology itself and how humans interact with it, and usually comes in the form of software or installations.

If you want to argue about how "cheap" photoshop is, oh boy, you should have been there when lithography became popular, or the popularization of acrylic paints, or hell, the flash for the camera!

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Actually, I think I'm going to go ahead and critique the value of your piece.
Lets point out some things that I feel is working. I thought the composition referenced myspace very well, sort of bringing in that familiar "fake scene". I wasn't sure if you consciously did whats called a "myspace angle" but that's what I noticed about it. The fact that it does look like a filter was placed on it reinforces this kind of quick-internet appearance.

However, what I find missing is any kind of pictorial reference towards where the artist stands. Without context, it just looks like a myspace figure messing with his portrait in photoshop. You need some way to show that this imagery is a low point, something to contrast with it so that the viewer understands that there's ulterior purpose to this.

I also felt that there's too much of an "artist's hand" in the image, some of the edges that separate the color forms seems to have been manually done. If your purpose was to show how cheap and easy photoshop is, you should be reducing the amount of work that can be seen in the image. Something that's important in traditional art, and in particular, oil paintings, is the expression of time. There's a sense of time that's felt through a painting because the viewer understands that a painting takes hours to do and they sense the effort and diligence required for an art piece. There's not nearly any of that in the picture right now but there are some edges that feel like a person did them. The idea of automation should have been your highest concern and I feel like the picture, and its message, could have benefited if you had been more thoughtful.

[Bai Fan]

I don't think this belongs in this section.

For a crit, I would turn this into a 2 color piece + black background as if working towards a t-shirt design.

[Bai Fan]

a 30 sec masterpeice is something that CAN happen.

No, it isn't.

merriam-webster: masterpiece

1: a work done with extraordinary skill ; especially : a supreme intellectual or artistic achievement

2: a piece of work presented to a medieval guild as evidence of qualification for the rank of master

Even art done quickly takes forethought.

[Demo]

i dont wana bitch but this took around 30 sec maybe more to upload it to the comp and my FF section took around 50 hours maybe. and it gets pushed down the list to make room for this i relize mine probably isnt the best stuff in this section but it still took a lot of hard work
o i remember when i too got photoshop

EDIT; took out some of the hatred

[Tomba]

I think what Murgen means to say is that your image isn't even worth mentioning. Ideas have to have backed up by process, ability, and grounding. Any visual art has to be treated visually first.

OK, fair enough

I'm not even sure you are even aware of what the contemporary art scene is developing into. Expressionism is giving way to a much more traditionalist scene. Portrait painters like Lucien Freud and Jenny Saville are the up and coming. They have their own commentary but impregnated in a very skillful, very researched method.

Yes I am. being from New York and artistic background. but why must something be so 'researched or well thought out? why can't the simplicty be it's distinction and then it's strength? I do not like a learnid approach...

And bringing it back to digital art, you aren't even in the right place man. You might want to look into artists such as Marek Walczak and Martin Wattenberg http://www.mw2mw.com/. You are trying to bring up discussions about two very separate things, digital art and illustration, and looking very ignorant about. Illustration through a digital media is no different from traditional illustration, its still very much grounded in formal technique and evaluation and done under the same production environment. Digital media comments on the technology itself and how humans interact with it, and usually comes in the form of software or installations.

No that i understand, but art is art. color is color and form is form and the balance between the two in theory is always the purest sense.

If you want to argue about how "cheap" photoshop is, oh boy, you should have been there when lithography became popular, or the popularization of acrylic paints, or hell, the flash for the camera!


LOL No Of course. but i meant cheapness by which it's ease to produce such a thing digitally WITH a filter or what have you. the program has an artistic sense to it already having such abilities, so it's in fact a tool that tries to capture what either been already done. you mentioning of litho,acrylics and the camera are tools but not neccessarily the easiet of conventions to get things done.
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Actually, I think I'm going to go ahead and critique the value of your piece.
Lets point out some things that I feel is working. I thought the composition referenced myspace very well, sort of bringing in that familiar "fake scene". I wasn't sure if you consciously did whats called a "myspace angle" but that's what I noticed about it. The fact that it does look like a filter was placed on it reinforces this kind of quick-internet appearance.


what's myspace? i'm joking. no the angle was made by the photo taken. deliberately with nothing to ref. it by just a snapshot.
Some one always has to find a certain 'familiarity to things in order to critique,like or hate it. One can never do either by not finding some kinf common place and that i understand as well.
To criteria something as a quick internet appearance is already going into it trying to find that. if it jumps out at you that way just imagine how warhol did and the gallery owner that started showing him etc.

However, what I find missing is any kind of pictorial reference towards where the artist stands. Without context, it just looks like a myspace figure messing with his portrait in photoshop. You need some way to show that this imagery is a low point, something to contrast with it so that the viewer understands that there's ulterior purpose to this.

Artist stands? Hmm well balancing the points in the image firstly and secondly tried to capture a mood. the tackling of WHEN the cutout is right for it BEING a cutout and STOPPING at that monet when nothing else can be done or before it is ruined...

There is contrast but subtly. the angle in which the dark area goes from the brighter area the shape of the head around this cut off in angle as well.

I also felt that there's too much of an "artist's hand" in the image, some of the edges that separate the color forms seems to have been manually done. If your purpose was to show how cheap and easy photoshop is, you should be reducing the amount of work that can be seen in the image. Something that's important in traditional art, and in particular, oil paintings, is the expression of time. There's a sense of time that's felt through a painting because the viewer understands that a painting takes hours to do and they sense the effort and diligence required for an art piece. There's not nearly any of that in the picture right now but there are some edges that feel like a person did them. The idea of automation should have been your highest concern and I feel like the picture, and its message, could have benefited if you had been more thoughtful.

Reduction is not the point but deduction. then theres also the itelligence of a sure hand and a naunced hand which was what was trying to be captured.

I'm not really talking about one thing or another thing. ignorance is bliss my friend trust me. the seriousness in which some "taught' and colleged artwork leaves little to the artists talent.
the thoughtfullness comes at the expense of going overboard and becoming a commentary peice. there should be nothing of the sort. i hate tour guides as well...but you get the point i'm trying to interpret nothing more than the area in which things stop and can not go further.


the piece is roughly 10 by 10 feet printed...

[Tomba]

i dont wana bitch but this took around 30 sec maybe more to upload it to the comp and my FF section took around 50 hours maybe. and it gets pushed down the list to make room for this i relize mine probably isnt the best stuff in this section but it still took a lot of hard work
o i remember when i too got photoshop

EDIT; took out some of the hatred

Sorry my friend but there are diff situations for different artists thats all. What might have took me 30 secs would have taken others shorter and not been as thought provoking...(If you truely think i would post a work that took 30 secs to do...)

[Robert.B]

Um .. why is this still in FF? Its an insult to others who have worked there asses off and still find there work pushed to the crit center.

[Tomba]

amazing....

[Patrick Szucs]

A part yes my friend, but one of more importance and disimportance.

This is some grade A bullshit

[Interceptor]

You'd be wise to quickly learn how to take critiques more graciously. My first impression here is that you want the fame of a great artist, but don't really care so much about the art itself. Maybe hop around the site for an hour. You'll see that trying to boast about this 30 second masterpiece bullshit is extremely arrogant and pretentious. Especially in a place like this, with so many truly great artists.

[Novbert]

now this is a typical situation

Tomba! I can only quote here Marko Djurdjevic, one of the greatest:

NEVER FORGET: We are entertainers first and artists second, so it is important that we give the viewer a good time. We can do modern art for our own masturbation when we’re famous

[Tomba]

Even SHIT makes it into galleries and museums...LOL

[Tomba]

You'd be wise to quickly learn how to take critiques more graciously. My first impression here is that you want the fame of a great artist, but don't really care so much about the art itself. Maybe hop around the site for an hour. You'll see that trying to boast about this 30 second masterpiece bullshit is extremely arrogant and pretentious. Especially in a place like this, with so many truly great artists.

Why so serious? and OH I've hopped. Hopped from one pretentious peice to another. This accuracy BS art on here SOMETIMES boggles my mind. No one loosens up. i feel many artists become a habit of repetition.

But that's beside the piint.

MAYBE i put it in the wrong place because "finally finished" means something else so a mod moving over this thread is without a doubt warranted.

BUt the mentality remains that simple art isn't art to some and thats a shame....

[Tomba]

now this is a typical situation

Tomba! I can only quote here Marko Djurdjevic, one of the greatest:

Your sig says it all!

Some don't seem to get that

[Chate Noire]

You can talk about art all you want, the fact is that a dozen people (and probably many more who didn't bother leaving a comment) looked at your piece and it didn't do anything for them. It didn't leave any emotional or intellectual mark, and it didn't even provide the joy of looking at something pretty that you seem to think so little of. I bet most people, from CA or from the street, would take a look at it and shrug it off.

If you need a thousand words to make your one picture meaningful, I don't think it's a very good picture.

[Tomba]

You can talk about art all you want, the fact is that a dozen people (and probably many more who didn't bother leaving a comment) looked at your piece and it didn't do anything for them. It didn't leave any emotional or intellectual mark, and it didn't even provide the joy of looking at something pretty that you seem to think so little of. I bet most people, from CA or from the street, would take a look at it and shrug it off.

If you need a thousand words to make your one picture meaningful, I don't think it's a very good picture.

Coming from a person who has no sense of color in his own work i take this even with a grain of salt.
guess the saying goes that you have to respect where you get the critques from.

[PuppyKitten]

Coming from a person who has no sense of color in his own work i take this even with a grain of salt.
guess the saying goes that you have to respect where you get the critques from.

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Whoa whoa whoa that was not okay! I've been nothing but nice to you, but that comment made me cringe.

If you think Chate Noir needs to improve in her usage of color, then go to her sketchbook and give her tips on how to do that.

Insulting someone (who does have quite nice colors, in my opinion) just because she dismissed your art is petty and immature. If you TRULY didn't think her opinion was worth the paper it was(n't) written on, then you'd not have responded at all, let alone responded with so much attitude.

You're too new here to be burning your bridges so quickly.

I'm sure you'll insult me now that I've chastised you, but I had to say something...

[Black Spot]

Stop being so pretentious. This type of image has been around longer then you – total rip off of screen printing from the 60s. If you didn’t pontificate so much, we might have appreciated the composition if nothing else.

[iambanana]

This thread is becoming rather entertaining. Tomba, give up.
You took a picture, added a photoshop-filter, threw it out in the FINALLY FINISHED-area of the forum and expect people to praise you as an artistic genius.
As chate noire said, if you need to back your picture up with hundreds of fancy-schmansy statements in order for it to become likable, there's a high chance the picture isn't so good to begin with. No matter how sophisticatedly you behold it.
At the first sign of critique, you get all defensive and start flaming other users. Jesus christ, don't be so arrogant.

Has anyone submitted this thread to the "Worst threads ever"-thread yet? This is comedy gold.

[Tomba]

D:

Whoa whoa whoa that was not okay! I've been nothing but nice to you, but that comment made me cringe.

If you think Chate Noir needs to improve in her usage of color, then go to her sketchbook and give her tips on how to do that.

Insulting someone (who does have quite nice colors, in my opinion) just because she dismissed your art is petty and immature. If you TRULY didn't think her opinion was worth the paper it was(n't) written on, then you'd not have responded at all, let alone responded with so much attitude.

You're too new here to be burning your bridges so quickly.

I'm sure you'll insult me now that I've chastised you, but I had to say something...

No, you're right. And initially you were honest and I appeciated that and thought that the conversation about the piece could start to develop,but like many "other" times the very nature of finally finished took over. what nature? simple. the fact that many artists threads get looked over not commented on do not care to protect or TALK about their own work after posting it and leaving the one or two comments untouched if bad or unconstructive.

so what you have is un confident artists becoming to develop instead of sure artists.

i see many artists posts here and they seem to just wither away. why? becasue of the way they get deducted and have no spine or backbone to defend Or JUST discuss what they posted...

I am left field i know that, but when someone says to me. YOUR crap i ask why and the answer is just something that makes sense to the art THEY'RE doing then i don't care. I want it too be looked at objectively and not by whatever standards that THEY like or care. Plus the world of warcraft pallete is ugly anyways. It's brash eye straining etc. so forgive me for that kind of barb.

i just wanted to see what people though and i see that ONLY 500 out of 100,000 or more responded so it's not the end all or general consensus. Too many people GIVE UP after 100 views etc why? why not except rejection until it's acceptance? I think their should be more people like me un afraid to start talking about what they feel is right. anarchy never started any other way.

popularity is a strength in numbers isn't it?

[Quigleyer]

You do realize that this attention and bickering is only doing the OP a happy number right? Snide smiles without posting will do fine here, just like they did in those "thoughtful" critiques when someone holds up a drawing of a bagel and says it represents a vagina in art foundation or a time like that.

I've become a hypocrite by posting, but a critique is not what this person wants. It's attention.

There are pieces in here where someone really needs help- go look at those.

For future reference: this is NOW a critique, as it's now in the critique section. You don't get to tell us why what we're saying is wrong and what you were going for is right-- no one knows what you were going for and your art does not speak for itself. Good base- paint up from it.

Good luck in your artistic endeavors.