Wacom brush lag in Vista

**ArtZealot** · April 7th, 2008, 03:01 PM

Yeah im another fool who was forced into getting vista. Now that i have it, how do i get rid of the brush lag that pops up every once and awhile? it's really irritating. it's an amazing machine but i still get brush lag like i'm running Photoshop on a 486.

**Pavel Sokov** · April 7th, 2008, 04:20 PM

vista=shits weak

**Mirana** · April 7th, 2008, 06:27 PM

...because Vista is a memory hog? I'm pretty sure I remember a thread back suggesting you set the thing to classic mode/turn off all the fancy shit to keep it from sucking your hardware dry.

**ArtZealot** · April 7th, 2008, 07:05 PM

i guess i'll try that.

**Marco Mazzoni** · April 7th, 2008, 09:34 PM

Yeah, I'm actually a little hesitant to jump on the "Vista sucks" bandwagon. I've been using it on my laptop since early December and haven't run into any problems new to other operating systems. My XP desktop with similar specs actually feels clumbsy and less responsive in both CS2 and Painter IX by comparison.

Aside from switching to classic mode, I'd highly recomend removing any unessecary software that may have come with your machine. I practically stripped mine to the bone when I got it and it freed up almost 20% physical memory.

Good luck, man.

**wassermelone** · April 7th, 2008, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Marco Mazzoni

Yeah, I'm actually a little hesitant to jump on the "Vista sucks" bandwagon. I've been using it on my laptop since early December and haven't run into any problems new to other operating systems. My XP desktop with similar specs actually feels clumbsy and less responsive in both CS2 and Painter IX by comparison.\

Ding.

I'm not saying you can't like it, but I swear most of the people that hate on it have never actually used it.

**JL.Alfaro** · April 7th, 2008, 10:41 PM

There has been alot of tech-talk and questions about performance these last few weeks. Im going to try and get one of my geek buds to break it down in a simple way for everyone to understand...including myself...and then I will post it here.

In the mean time, bottom line is, if you want the best performance out of your pc, and you are not running on a top-end build, you are going to make some sacrifices on its prettyness. Some functionality as well, theres a lot of the gizmos that make vista do what it does that just eats up the RAM very quickly. But its not just in the RAM anymore, its processing power as well. If you are running Vista on a single core with a min of 1 gig of RAM...you are running it on basic requirements...throw PS into it and it will drag, it will drag just loading.

Some little programs that I would recommend you for system performance

* FreeRam XP pro - For XP - Memory optimizer - for Vista
* Process explorer

* I would also recommend a registry cleaner- of your choice
* And a system cleaner- like the trace remover- which not only removes website info, but recycling bin and lost fragmented files.( oh yeah, defrag your machine at lest once a month- if you are anything like me...moving large files around...yeah space, lots of it..slows down the pc)

You need to check what is running on the background and thats where the process explorer comes in. Find out what is running and then kill the processes you dont want running and eating up your resources. make sure that it will not disturb any other service you have going. when you know what you dont want running on the bg then what you need to do is take them off the windows start up list. to do so:
Go to the run command under the start menu. Type in msconfig and hit ok.
You will get the System configuration Utility. Go to the services tab, there just uncheck any service or program you DONT want running at all. BE CAREFUL what you uncheck, always and I mean always do a system restore point before you mess with the system config.
On the Startup tab, you can uncheck any program you do not want to load at startup (on boot). Once you are booted and decide to use one of those programs, then you will have to go back into the program explorer and kill it again.

Do not mess with the system processes
Do not mess with your Antivirus

you can always check your process if you dont know what it is here

**Creatinity** · April 9th, 2008, 03:46 AM

my god do some research before starting a bashing useless thread like this one...

I had this lag...solved with SP1...(some solved it by disabling TabletPC features)
From what I know, for almost all people these lags happened when using Photoshop...and guess what, Adobe doesn't officially support Vista.
As a matter of fact all other softwares were working fine...

Somebody serious about his art and the 1000 dollars he spent on this software would have check that...

**FLenG** · April 9th, 2008, 05:55 AM

I have vista on my laptop, its insane how it lags so much compared to xp pro sp2. Try switching of those aero crap..

**JL.Alfaro** · April 9th, 2008, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Creatinity

my god do some research before starting a bashing useless thread like this one...

I had this lag...solved with SP1...(some solved it by disabling TabletPC features)
From what I know, for almost all people these lags happened when using Photoshop...and guess what, Adobe doesn't officially support Vista.
As a matter of fact all other softwares were working fine...

Somebody serious about his art and the 1000 dollars he spent on this software would have check that...

captain obvious to the rescue...

who the fuck asked you to step in and force yourself to respond to a "useless thread like this one"
Vista sucks and so do your communication skills...but who gives a fuck on both...really.

**AdamR** · April 9th, 2008, 04:25 PM

I use Vista and personally love it.

If you're machine isn't that great, then yeah, Vista is going to suck. My brothers laptop has it and it's not that high end of a machine, and it's crazy how slow it is compared to when I'm using it.

Going off what Alfaro said though, if you know your computer isn't going to be a higher-end computer, then Vista is going to blow for you. If you've got a pretty good system then I see no reason not to get Vista.

There is a lot of trash talk about Vista all around the place though, which really is unnecessary. Mixed opinions have spread like wildfire all around the Internet. Vista has had some problems. No doubt. But I believe if you buy it knowing the different things you've read & don't have a good experience, it's your own fault tbh.

Anyway, as far as the Wacom brush lag goes, I read somewhere that there's a feature in the tablet software that, if you disable it, will cut it down/eliminate it. I can't remember much more (sorry), but I'm sure someone else here can help clarify on it.

**Diphallia** · April 9th, 2008, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by wassermelone

Ding.

I'm not saying you can't like it, but I swear most of the people that hate on it have never actually used it.

I've used it.
I dislike it.

Iy came preinstalled on my puter.
It crashed.

I dislike it.

**M.C.Barrett** · April 9th, 2008, 08:29 PM

My primary beef with Vista lies in whatever they did to the part of the system that deals with switching mouse button assignments around for the 5% of the population that happen to be left-handed. Switching the buttons for the mouse also caused the tablet pen inputs to be switched- the drawing tip became the right-click button, and my tablet became useless as a result. There was no way to rectify this in the mouse or Wacom tablet properties without just using the mouse with right-hand oriented buttons. I eventually had to buy a left-handed mouse with its own programmable buttons, which has the unfortunate side effect of adding yet another continuous process to an already bloated system. As a lefty, I'm used to the ignorant slights of the right-handed world, but just switching two buttons on one device shouldn't fuck everything up, especially if they've had a perfectly functional way of doing it until now. Microsoft has ensured my next machine will be a Mac (unless Apple products do this as well, in which case I'll have to consider brushing up on my watercolor skills, pending an all-out crackdown on lefties in the digital age).

**Creatinity** · April 10th, 2008, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by JL.Alfaro

captain obvious to the rescue...

who the fuck asked you to step in and force yourself to respond to a "useless thread like this one"
Vista sucks and so do your communication skills...but who gives a fuck on both...really.

Thanks for telling me to shut the fuck up and that my communication skills sucked. I do my best with the english I know...(i'm french...)

Your arguments about vista sucking are very strong.
Maybe I was obvious to you, but it was not obvious to everyone.

It's too easy, too unfair, (too trendy) to blame everything on Vista, where obviously Adobe has its part in this problem on this one.

I thought this thread was useless as he didn't give any info about his problem..specs of the computer, vista version, SP1 installed...etc...
then we could have helped and make this thread useful for others
but there is just a poll: is Vista shit?

**ArtZealot** · April 12th, 2008, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Creatinity

Thanks for telling me to shut the fuck up and that my communication skills sucked. I do my best with the english I know...(i'm french...)

Your arguments about vista sucking are very strong.
Maybe I was obvious to you, but it was not obvious to everyone.

It's too easy, too unfair, (too trendy) to blame everything on Vista, where obviously Adobe has its part in this problem on this one.

I thought this thread was useless as he didn't give any info about his problem..specs of the computer, vista version, SP1 installed...etc...
then we could have helped and make this thread useful for others
but there is just a poll: is Vista shit?

dont argue with him, he's right Creatinity you do need to stfu. i wasn't going to say it because i didn't want to feed the troll, but i figure i should probably back up JL.Alfaro. I don't understand why you commented on my "useless thread" just ignore it if you think it's pointless or go back to deviantart where you can get away with, and be accepted for acting like that.

By the way thanks everyone for the help. I'm still trying to fix the brush lag, it's still there. I have a good system too, i don't think it has to do with that. I just think it has to do with the damn tablet pc settings.

**Mirana** · April 12th, 2008, 08:43 PM

Yo Creatinity - You had some decent info to add to the thread on how you fixed your lag issues, so if you'd given that without the attitude you wouldn't have gotten the reaction you did.

Everybody got their "fuck yous" outta the way? Maybe then you guys could collaborate on what configuration makes tablet pc fuck with the lag time, eh?

**ArtZealot** · April 12th, 2008, 09:33 PM

Update: I tried everything in this thread to no avail, but did end up finding what i think is a solution. I'll delete this post if it does it again, but the lag seemed to stop when i actually turned on "vista aero" in the window color and appearance settings. So if anyone has that problem and fixes it by turning aero on, let me know i'd like to know if that really does fix it.

Also...with this fixed i should be updating my sketchbook more regularly if anyone wants head over and take a gander.

**Shogmaster** · April 14th, 2008, 05:01 AM

As someone who's been using Vista for over a year on my TPC, I can tell you that it's brush lag free as any other OS I have used. But then again, from the get go, I did a fresh install of Vista on a machine that came with XP:Tablet. The key I think, was that I did a fresh install, and was not a factory install.

The reason I say this is that I have experienced other Vista machines, ones that are far more powerful than my TPC, that suffers from pen lag with Wacom. One of my student's Dell XPS wunderdesktop was like that. After I did a fresh install of Vista for him, the lag went away. Often times, people blame the OS when it's one of the many crappy drivers or apps or utilities that could be fucking shit up. When you get a machine from an OEM, you have to be suspicious of every damn thing they put in the installation.

Vista IMO is a much more stable OS than XP was when it first launched. XP in it's first year was far more troublesome than Vista ever was. But that was like 7 years ago so we just don't remember. This whole blame everything on Vista when something goes wrong with your computer is not gonna help anyone, especially your situation. Because whether you like it or not, when you have to go beyond 4GB of RAM Vista64 will be a far more practical solution going forward than XP64. You better figure out how to get on with Vista, which includes figuring out which app, driver, or utility you are use to using with XP now is not compatible with Vista.

**Xdreamer** · April 14th, 2008, 04:41 PM

Simple turn off the Wacom HID drivers. Oh and a search and you didn't had to open such a useless poll.

**ArtZealot** · April 14th, 2008, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Xdreamer

Simple turn off the Wacom HID drivers. Oh and a search and you didn't had to open such a useless poll.

Yeah but i did open a useless poll. Thanks for the useless critique of my thread.

**Xdreamer** · April 15th, 2008, 04:25 AM

Anytime

**Shogmaster** · April 15th, 2008, 12:40 PM

I have to agree that the poll portion was pretty retarded. Does nothing to promote a genuine discussion about using Vista for art PCs. It's something I'd expect from some teenager than a functional adult.

**Rist** · April 16th, 2008, 09:52 AM

use leapard unless you want to use 3d studio max...

**ArtZealot** · April 16th, 2008, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Shogmaster

I have to agree that the poll portion was pretty retarded. Does nothing to promote a genuine discussion about using Vista for art PCs. It's something I'd expect from some teenager than a functional adult.

If you really want to bring up age, then any functional adult, or teenager even also knows to ignore stuff that other people do which they don't like. Don't like my poll? then ignore it. If you really want to critique something then please head to my sketchbook and tear me apart.

**aea** · April 16th, 2008, 04:02 PM

O RLY?

Windows XP fans don’t want it to XPire
Petition drive aims to keep XP as option on new PCs past June 30
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24070867/

Among the concerns about Vista are the amount of computer memory and space it requires, its seemingly slower speed and frustration over the fact that third-party drivers for some printers and other devices are still not available from the companies that make those devices.InfoWorld, a publication that covers the information technology industry, launched a “Save Windows XP” petition drive in January. Microsoft originally planned to stop selling XP to retailers and computer manufacturers at the end of 2007, but extended that deadline to this June 30.

The fact that some people hail Windows Vista as the new Windows ME should give you a clue. I'm no n00b. I had an opportunity to use Vista before it was even released. It's Cr*p with a capital C.

Microsoft has had it's share of issues with regards to releasing their OS, so it's no surprise that there would be a consumer backlash in regards to Vista. Remember the Blaster worm with Windows XP? Yeah. The same worm that infects your computer almost IMMEDIATELY unless you're aware enough to either patch the damn thing or upgrade to SP2. You HAVE to or the worm restarts your computer over and over, which doesn't give you much room to find a patch or fix it anyway. This means that all these people who have SP1 out of the box have broken installs. Of course, you can download the patch from another computer and google it that way, but you're asking a lot of the typical consumer who will have no idea what's going on.

The only reason XP survived that was because it was actually an upgrade to something. I have used Vista, and it's prettier. That's it. It has 64 bit. Big deal! Most drivers are for 32 bit! Half your old stuff won't work on Vista anyway. Why should I upgrade to Vista when I have something that already works and does exactly what I want it to? Because Microsoft is telling us we have to. That's why.

Hence Microsoft having to wait to drop XP until June 2007. Because XP sales increased greatly after the release of Vista so that people could downgrade. Go figure.

Even before it went live, it still had problems. Microsoft was under pressure by consumers and especially the media to release it earlier than they probably wanted to. The same thing happens too when people complain that their favorite sequel or game isn't out yet. It won't always be a quality product if you're pressuring companies to release it "on time", push backs are inevitable. Especially for something as large as an Operating System. So I guess in part, you could blame the typical consumer or media or whatever, but Microsoft should've learned from XP's release since that is what everyone ended up comparing it to.

**ArtZealot** · April 16th, 2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by aea

O RLY?

Windows XP fans don’t want it to XPire
Petition drive aims to keep XP as option on new PCs past June 30
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24070867/

The fact that some people hail Windows Vista as the new Windows ME should give you a clue. I'm no n00b when it comes to computing. I had an opportunity to use Vista before it was even released. It's Cr*p with a capital C.

Microsoft has had it's share of issues with regards to releasing their OS, so it's no surprise that there would be a consumer backlash in regards to Vista. Remember the Blaster worm with Windows XP? Yeah. The same worm that infects your computer almost IMMEDIATELY unless you're aware enough to either patch the damn thing or upgrade to SP2. You HAVE to or the worm restarts your computer over and over, which doesn't give you much room to find a patch or fix it anyway. This means that all these people who have SP1 out of the box have broken installs. Of course, you can download the patch from another computer and google it that way, but you're asking a lot of the typical consumer who will have no idea what's going on.

The only reason XP survived that was because it was actually an upgrade to something. I have used Vista, and it's prettier. That's it. It has 64 bit. Big deal! Most drivers are for 32 bit! Half your old stuff won't work on Vista anyway. Why should I upgrade to Vista when I have something that already works and does exactly what I want it to? Because Microsoft is telling us we have to. That's why.

Hence Microsoft having to wait to drop XP until June 2007. Because XP sales increased greatly after the release of Vista so that people could downgrade. Go figure.

Thankyou for posting that. Seriously, vista isn't very good. Why should i have to uninstall the tablet drivers, or set it in aero mode, or do whatever just to get the tablet to work? Why doesn't it work on the get go? why is it making me use the tablet for what it thinks i should use the tablet for? does windows not know that people use tablets on their PCs for art? why does it have to be such a pain in the ass to make it work on some computers? why is it that half of my games dont want to install or have problems installing because of the 64 bit edition?

you totally said it, Aea, vista has a prettier interface, but as far as i'm concerned, that's it. Being someone who just uses it for games and photoshop, i dont care about all the other shit they added which is screwing up what i normally use my computer for. I can't even play a lot of games which i own because of differences between vista and all the other previous iterations of windows. I won't say vista is a piece of shit, but i am not very happy with it.

**Arshes Nei** · April 16th, 2008, 04:37 PM

I have several friends that work for Microsoft that will tell you Vista sucks. Of course they wouldn't put it that way but more...politically correct terms.

A lot of them will also tell you that there's never really a hurry to update to the latest and greatest (despite marketing and possibly their jobs for earnings) because it needs time to work major problems out anyways.

That being said, Vista is the devil, but I think the lack of foresight of who would buy the system and why is one of the major hurdles it has to overcome.

**lavhoes** · April 16th, 2008, 09:31 PM

As you figured out, turning Aero on gets rid of the problem. I'm not sure if it matters if you had it disabled when only Photoshop loads, or just off across the system, but as far as I know this is a Photoshop bug and has very little to do with the Vista end of things, precisely because, as has been pointed out, Adobe does not support Vista for whatever stupid reason.

Oddly enough, keeping Aero on has made it way more stable in other areas as well.

I love Vista to death, but only because I bought a laptop which was tuned for it. Haven't had any major problems whatsoever.

**jadefoodog** · April 17th, 2008, 01:07 AM

i have a super highend machien i spent about 3k on . it came with xp sp2 and ifigured i would upgrade it to vista so i could take advantage of dx10 even though no games supported it at the time .

things i noticed

my FPS useing fraps droppped from about 280 using xp to 160 using vista.
brush lag in photoshop minimal on either but yeah areo helps
its not a aweful OS when your on a high end box quadcore 4gig ram and a 8800gtx

but fuck anyone remember windows 98 or even worse windows milenium vista crash city its like they strapped a bunch of teenagers into high preformance cars and gave them both lsd and meth and told them to drive for as long as they could

but ive never had vista crash

**aea** · April 17th, 2008, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by ArtZealot

Thankyou for posting that. Seriously, vista isn't very good. Why should i have to uninstall the tablet drivers, or set it in aero mode, or do whatever just to get the tablet to work? Why doesn't it work on the get go? why is it making me use the tablet for what it thinks i should use the tablet for? does windows not know that people use tablets on their PCs for art? why does it have to be such a pain in the ass to make it work on some computers? why is it that half of my games dont want to install or have problems installing because of the 64 bit edition?

Exactly. Because you're the average consumer. The average consumer expects they get what they paid for. We don't always get what we think we paid for, but we that expect Microsoft at least keep some of their promises...

you totally said it, Aea, vista has a prettier interface, but as far as i'm concerned, that's it. Being someone who just uses it for games and photoshop, i dont care about all the other shit they added which is screwing up what i normally use my computer for. I can't even play a lot of games which i own because of differences between vista and all the other previous iterations of windows. I won't say vista is a piece of shit, but i am not very happy with it.

Right. You should not have to be an IT wizz just to open a program or play Solitaire (I'm exaggerating of course). For example, when I installed Photoshop CS2 on a Vista install once and witnessed their security at work (which I swear is to save face, it doesn't make anything easier, it's just more anal than ever). I tried to activate it and put in the serial number and it told me I had to have administrator rights... "but... I am the administrator, Microsoft". I checked system wide security and it wasn't that. I checked the security settings in the program link where the compatibility and all that mess exists. It wasn't that either. I checked some other things. Weren't those either.

Low and behold, there was never such a thing before, but I looked at the EXE/program itself in the folder, right clicked > Properties and found an option called "Run as Administrator". That finally worked. NO average person would've ever known to have done that. NO ONE. Just imagine that all the issues people already having issues just using Photoshop, tablet, driver issues and whatnot, then to have more of these topics just from Vista issues?...