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    Hey guys sorry i haven't been as active as i should have been, and yes gundersen we should try to learn together, but we can't all be spewing wips every single day, don't get me wrong the constant feedback is very helpful in working with these pieces getting everyone's opinions but also the work should take time and though placed into it before presenting a workable wip.
    Here are my pieces, i was lingering reading everyone's comments on each others and taking helpful notes, tho whether i achieved and used them correctly remains to be seen.


    my night shot, i noticed the key points that bring out the night shot are the brightly lit sources coming form within the castle, here the mountain face and the immediate surroundings are lit by the source in the castle, since the moonlight is not as strong in mine but has a little impact here and there. There's an overall blue hue in the shot but tried adding small touches of color here and there where i though it would be possible to see such color.


    my rain shot, with rain ,the drops are like sheets especially given the type of rain whether its torrential or just soft drizzles, mine is hard rain but little wind, being objects themselves the raindrops the further objects disappear in the haze, the low saturated clouds, lack of light dictate the overall hue and mood i feel. so i tried to layer the rain as it progresses closer to the viewer.


    with my castle destroyed which was pretty fun, i tried not just showing debris and fallen posts and that type of stuff, i went more with using color to help with the dilapidated and broken mood. hopefully it comes across as such. looking at it its not even recognizable, blends into the rocks.


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    srry for the long winded post guys just a few short comments here

    Chaosrocks i like your simple style its quite effective but it does come across a bit flat even tho it reads well. Really wanted to see all those lights shining and lighting up the night shot.

    Robmorfin i like yours tho the snow shot is weird there only seems to be snow falling on one side on the right, the night shot is great tho the lights could have been brighter i think.

    Jodali SWEET!! i like your style, your work on the snow is great really well textured and u can feel the cold in the water its good. the night shot is good the lights a bit hazy which at first gives the sense of depth but the texturing on the right side of the castle and the surrounding cliff and rocks give it a wierd perspective.

    Earendil i love your night shot the shining moon illuminating the water and hunter guy is mesmerizing and although its sort of competing with the blazing fire and lights from the castle its strenght isn't overpowering the mainfocus which is the castle. the snow as snow is ok in the bluer hues but the castle disappears and the interesting detail it had is lost. but its good nonetheless if its a raging blizzard

    Daldbaatar Sweet, i like your sunny days they're so bright even with the beat up castle, ur night is awesome the red lights are a nice complement and it draws u in to find the castles shape and its location in the night sky. the raining i like too how the taller towers disappear into the haze and the sprinkles on the ground really make it seem wet. good stuff

    Gundersen honestly ur second shot at night is better than the original. i think its because the two sides of your painting are clearly distinguished by their main light sources and the moon in the distance balances it well. ur original the colors in the sky and elsewhere seem a bit crude. the snow shot is very rough on the strokes for the snow unlike jodali's soft strokes and blending giving the snow fluffiness, i know u commented on this before. i like the demolished castle but im confused about the lightsource, either the castle is lighting up the water drops or there's another light source up there that is affecting the castle more than the drops its a bit confusing. but the contrast, colors and mood is good.

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    rvdtor, I could be wrong, but I think the links to your images are down. I'm also sending you a PM.
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    I can see them fine as well

    Chaos, Rvdtor, nice images, will comment tonight.

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    i did rain too
    but got distracted
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    My final pieces. Once again, thanks to the class and Form for really pushing me to my limits! There's so much more to learn O.o



    Gund, hope the snow looks better!

    Not sure how well the future one reads, but I was going for "alien apocalypse aftermath".

    I think the Archer is a time-traveling demon-elf.
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    Nice finals frome the last people.

    Earendil: Your night shoot is clearly your strongest shoot of these ones. Ill do some constructive critt to help you develope further and cause i know you want to have some critt like this:
    The person gets very static since its there in every shoot. I guess he/she would have moved pose at least
    The snow shoot has good snow now, but by adding in a light source or similar it could have been alot more interesting.
    The destruction scene is a little soft i would say, looks like its just been erased and forgotten to build up the sharpnes of the ruined parts. Where are the broken parts of the bridge for instance? It looks like it has just been cut of

    rvdtor: I totaly agree that my paintings from this week is better then last week But that was ofc what i hoped for aswell, since last week sucked
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    nice finals robmorfin, the style u used and colors you used for them all work best for the last piece [the demolished castle]. really strong mood there.

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    ok guys, I have been asked to extend the deadline this week so +1 day. final touches are welcomed, or if you are already all wrapped up, just have a breather. Next week we work on architecture - so maybe start taking a look at some different styles. Someone this week already got pro

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    My money's on Jodali.

    Oh, hey Jodali.
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    I think there is alot of good stuff this week, so i wont put my money on anyone.

    Keep it up people, lets all get pro before then end of this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gundersen View Post
    I think there is alot of good stuff this week, so i wont put my money on anyone.

    Keep it up people, lets all get pro before then end of this!
    That's a good point, and an EXCELLENT idea.
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    I wonder who it was that aked for the extension ... I guess the person that post soon
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    Wow, it's hard to decide who to bet on, you all had some wonderful pieces, who might it be ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gundersen View Post
    I wonder who it was that aked for the extension ... I guess the person that post soon
    I guess Labru, haven't seen his final.

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    Robbie...i really dont feel right on the skyline ( ocean part ) of the winter pic there. Gotta make more study about it
    Earendil...Now its all done and cool, unified...it just needs to make sense.
    rvdtor...Awesome...u got your own style there mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daldbaatar View Post
    Earendil...Now its all done and cool, unified...it just needs to make sense.
    What am I to do with this? Not sure what you mean exactly. Could you elaborate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daldbaatar View Post
    Robbie...i really dont feel right on the skyline ( ocean part ) of the winter pic there. Gotta make more study about it
    You are completely right, I didn't see it before, will try to fix it tonight. Thanks.

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    Earendil: Well i mean the guards on the castle should move right? and the only dude comes to see is elf...he is demon. But the same guards all in same places in time is scary, like everybody is a statue...and the only remaining statue is the elf-demon...yeah. And the trees should need some little branches here and ther cus some leaves are flying. Just to add realism. And what the hell happened to the mountain in the 1st pic? where did it go? its tooo bright, hard to notice, and mountains kinda lost consistency in shape...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Form View Post
    This week I would like you to take your previous artwork (from week 4), and complete a concept presentation of this environment as if a director were asking you to present different style boards. What I would like to see are the following:

    1. Your castle, changed to a night shot.
    2. Your castle, during heavy rain, snow or hail.
    3. Your castle as a ruin, after being destroyed.

    Present these 3, along with your original, as a cohesive set of 4 designs.
    Alright, it's a presentation for a Director & he asked me for Style Boards, so here is a more formal presentation:
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    Quote Originally Posted by daldbaatar View Post
    Earendil: Well i mean the guards on the castle should move right? and the only dude comes to see is elf...he is demon. But the same guards all in same places in time is scary, like everybody is a statue...and the only remaining statue is the elf-demon...yeah. And the trees should need some little branches here and ther cus some leaves are flying. Just to add realism. And what the hell happened to the mountain in the 1st pic? where did it go? its tooo bright, hard to notice, and mountains kinda lost consistency in shape...
    Much more helpful, thank you! Blarg, I wish I'd noticed these things earlier, but I believe you mentioned the leaves before and I didn't change those...blarg.
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    critiques on finals:

    Chaos:

    Nice ideas here. I think the idea of the overgrowth in the destruction scene was a subtle but good way to push the concept beyond just erasing parts of the architecture. This probably works the best of all your pieces, since there is a fairly clear cool/warm relationship, as well as a nicely established focal. Your main downfall in this piece, and all of them, is as we have discussed previously. The loose style you have adopted in your traditional painting has carried over into your digital work. The problem with this is not the looseness in and of itself. I was reading Alla Prima again today, and once again reflected on the way he explains looseness as being the pinnacle of accuracy. His quote which i love is 'Loose should describe how it looks, not how it is made'.
    Im sure you have heard it all before - but the problem as it pertains specifically to your work is that your loose rendering or lack of rendering makes us unable to read your MATERIALS, ie their TEXTURE. so when we look at your painting, we see shapes of colour, and guess the subject matter by their relationship to the overall mass of shapes. If i were to take a thumbnail sized selection of your painting, i wouldnt be able to tell what it was. I think you need to force yourself to render more tightly before you start loosening up again, and if working in PS helps this, you need to do so! All the best xx also, your snow and night pieces lack value contrast in the mid ranges.

    Daldbaatar:

    Fantastic work this week man! I love the way you work large, and with simplicity and confidence. You have adjusted your saturation, colour and edges very well to depict the effects in each shots. There is pictorial tweaking you can do - higher light contrast in the dark piece so we dont feel like we are strainging too much, and some more interesting shape breakup on 'destruction'. But overall, with the concepts you have presented, i think you did a bang up job. For the next piece, i still want you to focus on a more elaborate or creative concept as far as idea and unique shapes.

    earendil:

    really nice work again - im appreciative of the rounds of revision that went into this week. I think the night shot is very strong and the cool vs warm relationship really pinpoints the focal! its strong - and of all, i would consider this as a folio piece. I think snow is runner up, the ideas and shapes are strong but it lacks variation in contrast and colour. Destruction feels a bit empty and weak, like you have removed too much from the painting. It almost needs to be reduced to this, and then built back up a bit in terms of rendering and content.

    gundersen:

    its good to see you beginning to find a balance with your brushwork - thanks for taking critique into consideration. I like the lengths to which you played around with your dominant colours. I think your values can become a bit noisy and your forms get lost, losing your concept. I think a good exercise would be for you to get used to separating your painting into value 'areas' at the sketch thumbnail stage, and not deviating from these so much. The way you work seems to leave patches of high contrast throughout, which make it noisy and distracting overall. Looking really good though man The night shot could maybe have used ref for the sky, and i dont feel the synergy between the sky and ground in the snow one, but what you have done with the rain/destructo is really cool

    Jodali

    fantastic! i think the way you render is going to evolve into something very eloquent and classical. you have a skilful way of maintaining your inherent value structure and composition while working into the rendering.the luminosity. Are you painter or photoshop?
    Great shifting of cools and warms and keeping the focal heirarchy there. Again on the snow piece you could look at some more colour variation, like looking at clouds, so many colours there. White is reflecting the full spectrum after all! Destruction perhaps isnt as clear (conceptually) as it could be...

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    rest of the c+c tomorrow.

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    Well deserved Jodali & Dald, you guys did an awesome job, congratulations!

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    hey guys,

    It was me that asked for the extra day. Since I even didn't showed something after that extra day, I can only fully agree with the decision form made to kick me out of the group

    Good luck with the other weeks. I will still do and watch them, but I have proven 3 times already (first week, last week and this week) that I just aren't able to get a finished product in one week, and therefore not able to keep up with the group.

    You guys are the best!

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    great work everyone this week, I'm sorry for not being very active, I decided to take on a little project that may have been outside my skill level. It has chewed up all my free time the last two weeks, hopefully after monday I will have time to participate this week

    thanks to everyone who helped me out and commented, i could not have done it with put guys.

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