works and studies

[DIMAGYAN]

this is the thread where yinteck and i will post works and studies. i hope it can be a good read to all and a productive time to yinteck, and to me too.
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edit 2: more people come so the said above count for everyone. i hope all of you have a productive time and fun in here.

make a short presentation with:

-your real name(not need for last name)
-goals and/or what you expect
-what you want to work the most in here

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edit: an assignment per week could be a reasonable time.every friday a new assignment.
tell me your thoughts
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01

ok yinteck, lets start with some stick figures to see proportion and balance.
try first stands positions.

a reference from Andrew Loomis - Figure drawing for all it's worth



work on this and tell me any thoughts or what you want to do. if its anything you want or feel you need to work, please tell me.
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as a side note: sorry for my english, i hope you can understand something

Diego

[yinteck]

My name is Hew Yin Teck
The things i would like to work on is anatomy and drawing human figure in every angle correctly.
I think my weak point is in color ,perspective and drawing human figure is difference angle.


Here the first one
For the assignment i dont think i have any question or problem yet.

I think i am on the right track.

[DIMAGYAN]

yinteck:you are in the rigth track. but many of your stick figures looks off of balance. why? because you dont follow the lines you trace in shoulders and hips. the impotant thing of draw stick figures beside of proportionsis, is that is easy to draw. so you don't have to worry about details, and you can concentrate in balance, posture, movement and a correct construction of the figure. tink in them as the bones of every human and animal. the first foundation in the mechanical system in our body( then come muscles and tendons,etc).
all the body parts works together.
good work keep practice.

i post a sketch of what i said above.

[qbertp]

Hello. Dimagyan said it would be alright for me to join this thread so I hope you don't mind yinteck. I'm sure I can learn from both of you. Currently I'm pursuing art mainly for my own interests, however I see every skill as a door to new opportunities. In addition I write and have several pieces I would eventually like to illustrate. In my writing I try to maintain a level of simplicity and I would like to do the same in my art. That said, I'm not really at the level where I can make alot of stylistic choices. I need much more work on basic fundamentals. So move at your own pace and I will try to keep up. Thanks for having me.

Below is the first set of studies. I did a couple of very basic paintovers to help me visualize the stance of the figures and see how far off my proportions were. Any and all advice is appreciated.

[yinteck]

Cool ! we can learn together. Welcome and happy drawing.

[yinteck]

Thanks sir for pointing out the error .I really did not notice that.
Ok, here is another study i did , hope is better...

[DIMAGYAN]

qbertp: welcome! your rigth basics fundamentals are the key to understand everything, and then make what you want from there.

yinteck:thats better.

about the figures of both of you: is all matter of practice. keep drawing them several times.observe the people, your friend or family, in the street, books. look skeletons try to learn from every source.

if is posible draw from life, but if you can't use photographs(lifedrawing is better than photograps in my opinion)

talk each other as well. i want to make this a more participative thread.

i post a couple of sketches later.

btw read the first post, i make new announcments in edit 1 and edit 2

Diego

[DIMAGYAN]

qbertp: some things to keep in mind: observe the proportions when you make the sticks figures, rigth now they look wide. keep them simples if you have troubles.



some thougths about balance and what i said in above posts:



another thing that all of you can do is mantein the aspect even more simple, to concentrate in the movement and proportions.
when you draw figures always feel the pose and the weight. act with your own body, see in the mirror. always observe.

if you can try to find books from andrew loomis and george b. bridgman
look to work of the best artist. and draw from life.

Diego

[oyowzas]

Hey everyone im jared, im 15 years old. Im currently jus trying to get my artwork up to the level where i feel it should be at 15. Soo im hoping that through this thread i can work and get my artwork to were im content with it.

Soo i know its not very good but i appreciate all c&c. Im hoping this will to be a start to something great and id really like to be able to look back on this in a year and see how much progress ive made like some other people on the forums. So without further delaying heres my work. I have the basic sketches of the stick figures, and then a couple random type sketches trying to use correct figure, even if its not soo correct figure .

[DIMAGYAN]

Jared:welcome!. you will always can learn and improve, there is no "level" for a determinate age. don't worry abut that. just enjoy what you do and the rest will come.

observe.pay attention to what you draw. if you don't like something that you do then do it again.
the figures are fine, just pay more attention to the proportions and the angles and forms. work with stick figures more simple if you want.
try also to post entire figures to see the construction and balance.
but what you have to do is draw and observe a lot.
you can draw like a mad man but if you don't observe and asimilate the information then is no learning.
keep drawing, do simple stick figures several times, study photographs and people. study bones and look for books in the subject.

good work and keep drawing

Diego

[qbertp]

Here are a few more figures. They are a bit less thick.

It's kind of difficult for me to find books around here as I don't speak the language(korean). But once I get back to work I'll hit up the library for something.

[CouchPotato]

Hey guys, and thanks to Dimagyan for having me in his corner. Thanks a whole bunch!

I just want to improve my figure drawings (including faces). At some point I hope I can try my hand at some painting as well. My tones and values need more work as well haha. Dimagyan has very kindly agreed to help me out.

I think an assignment topic a week is pretty good, so we can keep working until we get it right haha. (I'm a slow learner anyway).

So, here are some of my stick figures for proportions and balance!

[yinteck]

The weekly assignment would be great sir.
I had do some short presentation in my first post ( edited ).

qbertp . I think u should try to draw the Manikin frame given by DIMAGYAN first and try to observe and draw again. I think what will help u understand more besides imagining urself . Just my opinion....


oyowzas. Dont imagine first , try pratice the manikin frame. Drawing precise line so u can differentiate the weight and balance of the human figure

CouchPotato welcome aboard.

[DIMAGYAN]

qbertp:don't rush yourself , take your time to do the figures. the legs are stiff. try to look photos or people to see how the body work. look the reference i post, observe how loomis build the figure. you are drawing digital, rigth? if you can draw in paper to get more confident with the line(if you try to learn how the body works and at the same time you are learning how to use the tool, you can have troubles). practice with pencil if you need erase, then do it. take your time is not important make a character.concentrate on the construction.if you have any questions please tell me.

CouchPotato:welcome and good start! but for now concentrate in a stand pose.what im interested in this assignment is that you think and observe proportions and balance(later i think it would be "ideal proportions" and movement).


Hew Yin Teck: your first name is yin teck. rigth?. good i want that all of you participate helping each other, so thanks for start that.


some "open source" books from the internet archive

The Human Machine The Anatomical Structure & Mechanism Of The Human Body - George B.Bridgman
http://www.archive.org/details/human...ethea009564mbp

Constructive anatomy - Bridgman, George Brant, 1864-1943
http://www.archive.org/details/const...anat00briduoft

go to the ftp link and choose the type of file you want to download(jpg, pdf, djv)

cheers
Diego

[yinteck]

Thanks for the links sir . Now i am studying andrew loomis book.

[meds]

Hi! My name is Angie and I first want to thank Dimagyan for allowing me to particpate in this thread. I think it will be a great learning process for all involved, and I appreciate the help.

I am self-taught and a beginner, although I am very determined to work hard and learn as much as I possibly can. I feel like I have come a long way so far, but know that I need some guidance. I really want to work on anatomy and other basics that I may be missing, and pretty much anything else that people think I need to work on.

Here is my first assignment. I feel like they look too forced, so I am going to keep practicing so that they come more natural.

[DIMAGYAN]

Hey angie. welcome! nice start. i'm self-taught too so i understand what you say about learn and try to get information and guidance. hopefuly all of you and i can learn somenthing in here and have a good time.

on the assignment:they look pretty good. what you have to do now as you said is keep drawing them and nail proportions and the idea of the body mechanism.
pay attention to all the body when you make a pose. take a look to the post i did in this subject. as i said before learn from everything.draw as much as you can.do lifedrawings, selfportraits study photographs and great drawers, if you can try to find books(artistics and from medicine or biology too).
keep practice and the rest will come.

Diego

[qbertp]

Just a quick update.
I managed to find a copy of the loomis so that's pretty nifty.

I'm working on a couple of rounds of manequins on paper. I should have access to a scanner tommorrow.

[DIMAGYAN]

thats great qbertp.post them want you can.

tomorrow (i dont know the hour) i will post the second assignment.of course you keep drawing the first, and ingeneral. the key is draw a lot, no matter how hard could it be...after all draw is fun,no?

Diego

[qbertp]

My legs are off, but I think it's partly because i've been trying to keep the femurs bolted to the hips rather than letting them actually move as a joint should, and partly the fact that I have difficulty knowing how much and what direction to curve the shin without reference(going to spend some more time looking at books). Also the scanner wasnt picking up the pencil marks very well so I photocopied and went over them in pen.


The second row was done from looking directly at the loomis.
The first row was done looking mainly at the loomis but mainly the second row for reference.

I found my models tended to shrink from the scale i set up with the manequins. But I thought they looked better so I tried to retool the manequins a bit. Also my heads tended to start off a bit big.

I worked from small to large getting further away from the loomis each time. I think it shows( not in a good way ). Still I wanted to try and internalize some of the proportions.

[meds]

Hey qbertp, great practice. I think a lot of those figures look stronger than they did in your first post. I have been practicing a lot too and have noticed some improvement, although just like you said, my legs seem off. I think I have a tendancy to make them too short. Anyway, keep up the work!

[CouchPotato]

Really sorry for the late update guys. Scanner died on me, had to get a new one. And sorry for the eh, waste paper basket quality of the scan lol. Some idiot at work decided to be helpful and "clean up my desk" haha.

So ok, just standard standing positions as Dimagyan says.

[DIMAGYAN]

this is the spirit i want to see! keep drawing people thats the best way to improve.

qbertp: ok thats a lot better. still you have to fix things(as you said) but is definitly better. to avoid proportions issues, draw ligthly all the figure and then concentrate in the details( that work almost for everything).

angie:if you want you can post your new practice.

CouchPotato:welcome! finally you post!, i think you went out of class to play some video games...
now serious, great start.practice all the time you can, and always watch proportions. as for the paper you can use some tissue if you want as long as you draw keep working and posting.

note for all of you: when i post the second assignment, please don't post more works from the first. i says this to mantein a certain order and attention to the tasks. but please keep working by your own in all the assignments and draw all of you can. maybe later we can make a special week or something like that to review your progress. i have to think about this.
anyway i will come later to post the second assignment.

btw search in internet for a pdf version of loomis books, because is very rare to find the "real" ones.

Diego

[yinteck]

Wait !! one last submission for assignment 1.

One thing i want to ask is when Andrew loomis book said "All figure action should be based on distribution of the weight of the body "

what does it mean can u explain in depth for that sir ?

Here is what i did , it will be great if u can explain with picture ..

[DIMAGYAN]

Hew Yin Teck: actually that would be part of the second assignment
but anyway, what loomis says is that you should think how and where the weight of the body is concentrated in a pose.
remember balance? well balance is an equilibrium, in this case of weigth. and the weight is deposited in a zone of contact beetwen the body and the surround. for example the pelvis and the chair, or the hands, knees and the floor.
without balance and distribution of weight we can't even be stand. when a figure is suspended (like in the water or in space and even in a jump) the weigth don't have a contact point, is distributed al over the body due to the miss or less gravity.(well to be more correct if there is not gravity there is not weigth, only mass)

well i think i wrote a mess, please note that what i said are thoughts and i don't have cientific knowldge.


(if is posible post images until 800x600 pixels, thanks)

Diego

[DIMAGYAN]

02

let's move our manekin.use your stick figures and manekin and start to play and practice.

remember: balance, weight distribution, center line and move all the body.

try walks, jumps, anything that you want. feel the movement and express that movement. if you want you can use life model or photographs, but remeber: express the movement, not just copy the picture.

well i think is that...go to draw some active stick figures





Diego

[qbertp]

First attempt done without referance. I'll be doing more throughout the week. Thanks for the encouragement folks.

[CouchPotato]

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CouchPotato:welcome! finally you post!, i think you went out of class to play some video games...
now serious, great start.practice all the time you can, and always watch proportions. as for the paper you can use some tissue if you want as long as you draw keep working and posting.

lol, does playing with a computer software count? :p This is my first entry for this assignment. Can I use a more fully fleshed out mannequin instead? lol, and I will try to pay extra care to my proportions. And I'll try and have at least a couple of new drawings updated every one or two days haha

Also, I got a whole bunch of Loomis books. Figure Drawing for all it's Worth, Drawing the Head and Hands, Successful Drawing, etc. etc. If anyone is interested we can see if we can't somehow figure out a way to share all those PDFs haha.

edit:
I just looked at my stuff, and I think there are HUGE proportion problems lol. The next batch WILL be better.

[CouchPotato]

Another day, another attempt.

[yinteck]

Here is my work....more to come.

Sir, i have another question. Beside the main line of balance there a 2 red dot line ( paintover ) what do they mean ? That figure is reference from loomis book.

If anyone of u guys want the loomis book just add [email protected] to ur msn. Ill try to send to u guys, we can also discuss anything related to this class ! All the best and keep posting !