Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Beginner trying to understand form and light

  1. #1
    Cider's Avatar
    Cider is offline Registered User Level 4 Gladiator: Meridiani
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    152
    Thanks
    127
    Thanked 46 Times in 42 Posts

    Beginner trying to understand form and light

    My drawings are very flat, and I'm trying to improve my understanding of form. I did a long study of a bookend this week, but I've looked at this drawing a lot over the last couple days, and I'd like to see it through fresh eyes. Can you tell me the problems you see and suggest areas I should be working on in future studies? Thank you!
    Attached Images Attached Images  

  2. #2
    element1988's Avatar
    element1988 is offline Registered User Level 6 Gladiator: Provocator
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    548
    Thanks
    147
    Thanked 99 Times in 85 Posts
    I think this is pretty badass... I don't think it looks flat at all, you showed the form well imho. The only thing I would say is you could have pushed the values a bit more. Right now the left eye is the darkest part of the drawing but looking at the image I'm not sure that would be true. If the light was coming from the top left it would leave a pretty dark shadow in the mouth and under that thing hes sitting on.

    It would probably help to ground it if you gave it a cast shadow, though I'm not sure how much you would see of it with that angle of light.

    Still think its cool though
    "The whole point of practice is to do it until you can do it right." - dpaint

    Dont trust anything i say! I'm a noob.
    My Noob Sketch Book

  3. The Following User Says Thank You to element1988 For This Useful Post:


  4. #3
    Swamp Thing's Avatar
    Swamp Thing is offline Will draw for food Level 6 Gladiator: Provocator
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Vienna
    Posts
    546
    Thanks
    90
    Thanked 287 Times in 213 Posts
    That's far from what a beginner is capable of man! You understand light and from pretty well, and telling from your sketchbook, you go the right way damn fast.

    Abour critique: All I can say - It may comes with the photograph, I can't tell how the picture looks when seeing it in real, but right now it could be eventually darker in some edges. This mainly counts for the frontleg's shadows, while further away shadows could be a touch softer, but photographs/scans are usually very unforgiving with values too, so I'd count my critique as nitpicking. Aside from that, white backgrounds can be cruel when it comes to value of contrast.

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to Swamp Thing For This Useful Post:


  6. #4
    Cider's Avatar
    Cider is offline Registered User Level 4 Gladiator: Meridiani
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    152
    Thanks
    127
    Thanked 46 Times in 42 Posts
    Great feedback--thank you both! I can see now that I need to be more careful with relative values.

  7. #5
    humboldt squid's Avatar
    humboldt squid is offline ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Level 4 Gladiator: Meridiani
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    washington state
    Posts
    265
    Thanks
    47
    Thanked 73 Times in 44 Posts
    I think you're at the stage where you need to think about stroke direction when you render a form as well - the direction of your strokes should describe the volume of the object, rather than being all in one direction like you have here.

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to humboldt squid For This Useful Post:


  9. #6
    Cider's Avatar
    Cider is offline Registered User Level 4 Gladiator: Meridiani
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    152
    Thanks
    127
    Thanked 46 Times in 42 Posts
    That's a good suggestion, thank you. If I'd done that here, I think it would really have helped emphasize the forms in my head.

  10. #7
    JeffX99's Avatar
    JeffX99 is offline Flaming Death Robot...of Love Level 17 Gladiator: Spartacus' Dimachaeri
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    5,234
    Thanks
    3,512
    Thanked 4,897 Times in 2,545 Posts
    Really nice job! It looks a tiny bit squished but that's a hard thing to tell without seeing the actual object and setup. To help establish volume you should try to "draw through the form"...meaning when laying in light construction lines you should include the lines on the other side of the form you can't really see. Try to "lay in" the entire volume of the subject so that it feels like if you moved around it would be three dimensional.

    For future studies I would start combining multiple objects in arrangements. Start looking for interesting compositions, light and shadow patterns. Also start to include some indications of the environment, table horizon, etc.

    Great job so far - keep it up!
    What would Caravaggio do?
    _________________________

    Portfolio
    Plein Air
    Digital
    Still Life
    Sight Measuring
    Fundamentals

  11. The Following User Says Thank You to JeffX99 For This Useful Post:


  12. #8
    Cider's Avatar
    Cider is offline Registered User Level 4 Gladiator: Meridiani
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    152
    Thanks
    127
    Thanked 46 Times in 42 Posts
    Awesome, thanks for the advice JeffX99! Now that you point it out, I think I see the squished quality. I like the idea of laying out the forms as volumes rather than 2d shapes; I'm not sure why I didn't think to approach it that way, considering my goal. You've given me some great ideas for study--thank you!

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to Cider For This Useful Post:


  14. #9
    Cory Hinman's Avatar
    Cory Hinman is offline Talented Amateur Level 6 Gladiator: Provocator
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Ypsilanti,MI,USA
    Posts
    654
    Thanks
    707
    Thanked 444 Times in 226 Posts
    You don't have to settle for neutral lighting either. Give yourself an edge by setting up a single light source; a strong light like a small desk lamp close to your subject. Create interesting patterns of light and shadow, don't just look for them.
    Also, I think you employ the parallel hatching technique very well, but it's true having your strokes follow the form they're riding on gives you an advantage in conveying that form.
    "Three's so little room for error."--Elwell

  15. The Following User Says Thank You to Cory Hinman For This Useful Post:


  16. #10
    Cider's Avatar
    Cider is offline Registered User Level 4 Gladiator: Meridiani
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    152
    Thanks
    127
    Thanked 46 Times in 42 Posts
    Thank you for the helpful comments! Actually, I did use a desk lamp, and I even tried to isolate the subject from other light sources. I can't blame the environment for lack of interest; I think it must be a poor understanding of composition.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Form/Value/Light Resources
    By CarlSpringer in forum ART DlSCUSSION
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: July 12th, 2011, 06:05 PM
  2. Questions about Light/Shadow, Color and Form
    By Sidharth Chaturvedi in forum ART DlSCUSSION
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: April 13th, 2010, 02:54 AM
  3. giving form with light/shadow - help!!
    By lumar in forum FINE ARTS
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: October 22nd, 2006, 06:56 PM
  4. Question Regarding Principles of light and form
    By ackacia in forum FINE ARTS
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: August 28th, 2006, 04:12 PM
  5. using color theory for space, light and form
    By Jason Manley in forum FINE ARTS
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: January 22nd, 2003, 11:47 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •