Almost finishedddd Knocking out another realism piece.

[spiritvanished]

gotta draw for scholarships.
D:

met this pretty lady on tumblr.
she-demon.tumblr.com - her tumblr.
and after talking to her for a bit. I knew i had to draw her.
comments on anatomy lighting color?

i want to add something to make this piece stand out.
i dont want another just realism piece.
brain storm with me?
crazy back ground. illustrative lines?
she likes those upside down crosses and goth stuff.

her face still looks flat.
:/ but when i add depth it looks .. weird.

[spiritvanished]

oh and its def just a WIP.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/d...c/0561a646.jpg
^ ref photo.

[Venger]

Don't forget to post your photo ref (EDIT - which you've just done -D'oh!)

Don't paint on black, it'll mess up you colours if you decide to do a backdrop - chose a midtone.

Has that photo been doctored? especially on the cheeks?

[spiritvanished]

Don't forget to post your photo ref (EDIT - which you've just done -D'oh!)

Don't paint on black, it'll mess up you colours if you decide to do a backdrop - chose a midtone.

Has that photo been doctored? especially on the cheeks?

Oh, switching to grey?
or a purple.

i saved it directly off her blog.
if she doctored it I wouldn't know.
her other pictures show strong bone structure especially in the cheeks.

[Venger]

Warm or cool, its up too you - something with a 50% value
Add a layer (a full layer of black) on saturation so you can see your image in greyscale. That way you can always check the values are correct.

[Bai Fan]

Try to avoid painting on pure black.

Other than that, are you trying to do an exact copy or are you trying to branch out and make it a bit more artistic?

[Whyatt Thrash]

- Bridge of nose ends too abruptly
- There's something looking skewed, not sure if it's the position of the eyes or the angle of the mouth, or both, but something's off.
- Shape of neck is wrong

For ideas on how to make it a not-just-a-portrait, how about wrapping a ribbon around her? Make it cover her nipples, do one lap around her throat and another across her face (bridge of nose maybe?), bunching her hair together with her head in the process? Would look cool, and feels like something she might go for.

You could finish it off with a huge bow to make it girly & sexy. And give her orange hair.

http://she-demon.tumblr.com/post/3621241937

[M.O.S.H]

I guess flip it first before you proceed? Coz Whyatt is right. Something is not right.

[spiritvanished]

- Bridge of nose ends too abruptly
- There's something looking skewed, not sure if it's the position of the eyes or the angle of the mouth, or both, but something's off.
- Shape of neck is wrong

For ideas on how to make it a not-just-a-portrait, how about wrapping a ribbon around her? Make it cover her nipples, do one lap around her throat and another across her face (bridge of nose maybe?), bunching her hair together with her head in the process? Would look cool, and feels like something she might go for.

You could finish it off with a huge bow to make it girly & sexy. And give her orange hair.

http://she-demon.tumblr.com/post/3621241937

piggy backing on your idea im doing a blend of the ribbon idea and mucha inspiration!
ill post when its critique able.
im fluttering around about the all orange idea.
i want to make it romantic, and Gothic.
with blood red roses.

[spiritvanished]

Try to avoid painting on pure black.

Other than that, are you trying to do an exact copy or are you trying to branch out and make it a bit more artistic?

i want to branchout, but i also want her to be quickly recognizeblee

[spiritvanished]

mmkay so far.
the rose thing didnt work out so i altered the comp.

[Whyatt Thrash]

- Everything I said in my first post
- Her right shoulder lacks definition and ends at a too abrupt angle, there's no space for a deltoid there
- Torso also shows no sign of her having a ribcage
- Left breast is farther down than the right, should be the other way around at this angle
- When you put tape on the breast, usually the middle of the cross covers the nipples. Also, you wouldn't want the tape to run down to the torso, it would either get loose or flatten the breast out and hinder their movement.

Also I think the taped breast are way too unimaginative. If that's the only "extra" thing you'll be adding to this piece, it'll be very "yeah, seen that before".

[spiritvanished]

@ wyattt. somehow i missed your first post!
and i uploaded the wrong image. missing ribbons.

and yeah im still brainstorming. tried a couple things didnt like it as much as my thumbnail.
ive all over the ref. and the neck looks like hers. :/
i have more. will post when i get back from this show.
also the pasties are an inside thing. its how i found her.
c:
had to put them in.
ribbon goes over the breats more. hiding the inconsistency. ahah. cheating. not really though i planned to cover it.
c: thank you!

[Whyatt Thrash]

Mix between redline and pushing some values and fixing features and structure and stuff... Overlay over your image and switch between the two to see what I've changed.

And "hiding inconsistency" sounds awful. I'm pretty sure it's gonna shine through whatever you do. Poor base = poor results.

And why keep the colour scheme of the photo? It's flat and lacks any kind of contrast. It's an artist's interpretations, you can colour this any way you want!

[minamongoose]

I'm guessing you're going for pasties like these: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg...i1hvo1_500.jpg
meaning the bottom of them should be higher than you have them. Her lips also seem a bit too close to her nose, or something, maybe you just need to define her upper lip more, I am not entirely sure. I do really like how you've painted her hair and eyes though.

[spiritvanished]

okay .
taking a lot into account, your suggestions. getting headaches.
wont say much but realized after regraphing her body shes much thinner than i had drawn her.
okay here goes.


close up of face, there might not be enough contrast on her face. maybe my screens too bright, let me know.

[spiritvanished]

Mix between redline and pushing some values and fixing features and structure and stuff... Overlay over your image and switch between the two to see what I've changed.

And "hiding inconsistency" sounds awful. I'm pretty sure it's gonna shine through whatever you do. Poor base = poor results.

And why keep the colour scheme of the photo? It's flat and lacks any kind of contrast. It's an artist's interpretations, you can colour this any way you want!

i prefer your shoulder.

[spiritvanished]

had a minor meltdown last night.
dont know what i would do without art.

[spiritvanished]

i prefer your shoulder.

this picture is making me so frustrated.

[spiritvanished]

late night inspiration.

[LordLouis]

Why back from the blue colours? I liked it.
Well I must say for me this is one of these "uhh nice chick I need portrait" pictures, because I have seen SO MANY OF THEM. So many.

As said earlier before, I think if you make the picture clearly different than the photo, it would actually express something? What about getting references and draw her body, in a dancing pose?

(I can't do a paintover, and I am aware that putting it the way I ddid wouldn't work, but just to make my point: )

[spiritvanished]

Why back from the blue colours? I liked it.
Well I must say for me this is one of these "uhh nice chick I need portrait" pictures, because I have seen SO MANY OF THEM. So many.

As said earlier before, I think if you make the picture clearly different than the photo, it would actually express something? What about getting references and draw her body, in a dancing pose?

(I can't do a paintover, and I am aware that putting it the way I ddid wouldn't work, but just to make my point: )

I dont know, i just missed her skin.
changing the colors, for this picture. it just made her feel so fake to me. like a fairy. i like this much better.
but im still fiddling with it. ahah. ill probably change the colors another fifty times.
thats a good idea though! i might extend the picture more to show her body. and then i can finally feel okay about that arm.
ahahha.
maybe mermaid. *o*

[spiritvanished]

am i the only one who attached images are working?
double posting to be sure. D:

[spiritvanished]

[Amara91]

Hey spiritvanished. I don't know if you're still working on this or not, but from my observations in this thread, the changes you've made seem to be masking the true issues in this piece. The main problems I see are in the figure--the most glaring to me are in her shoulder and neck region. The connection between her clavicle and shoulder seem slightly off. Also, you may want to research the major muscle in the neck--the sternomastoid(look it up). Lastly, researching the trapezius muscle could help you get a better grip on drawing her shoulders.

It looks like you're reluctant to scrap your work so far--I'm not saying that you should. But redrawing the concept and getting things right in the preliminary drawing stages may pay off later.

[spiritvanished]

[spiritvanished]

Hey spiritvanished. I don't know if you're still working on this or not, but from my observations in this thread, the changes you've made seem to be masking the true issues in this piece. The main problems I see are in the figure--the most glaring to me are in her shoulder and neck region. The connection between her clavicle and shoulder seem slightly off. Also, you may want to research the major muscle in the neck--the sternomastoid(look it up). Lastly, researching the trapezius muscle could help you get a better grip on drawing her shoulders.

It looks like you're reluctant to scrap your work so far--I'm not saying that you should. But redrawing the concept and getting things right in the preliminary drawing stages may pay off later.

Hello amara!
I wish I had read this a few hours earlier.
ahaha.
i essentially scrapped my last ref, and looked for a whole new one.
drew over the body, and merged the two .

i got too attached to some things in the image. :/ but im sucking it up and being a woman. aha.

thank you for the crits!
im doing more research for the shoulder/collarbone, but im not well versed in anatomy, and am having trouble finding a picture from a similar angle.
but im still looking!

[spiritvanished]

[joelle]

hey there nice job with the color scheme and the hair i really like the texture around that area