DSG 261: Character: Wizard Apprentice

**Calibretto** · November 15th, 2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by OLSEN
You cant have that and expect people to just scroll past and ignore it. Would you scroll by a swastika? It’s the same kind of ignorant shit.

Posted in an earlier DSG by Phuzion:

It appears that everyone did scroll by a swastika; several actually. And if one controversial opinion is allowed, so should another be in turn allowed. Otherwise it is censorship, and I think that is something no artist wants. Besides, is just a joke from a TV show. There is a good adage for this situation: "Forget 'em if they can't take a joke."

PS:Phuzion, if using your piece as my example bothers you, let me know and I shall edit my post and remove it.

**Faxtar** · November 15th, 2003, 11:51 PM

I really dont think this matter is up for disscussion. Its not a matter of "free speech" of "censorship" because this site is owned by Jason Manley and he will decide in the end what material is allowed and who is banned. Personaly I wouldnt want to offend anyone, but thats just me, being human.

Walloffire-- thats great welcome to the DSG.
Bammer-- I like the pose and the colors, good work.
Vfxart-- Morphine? whatever you're taking, it looks like its working, great entrys today and yesterday.

danielh68 · November 16th, 2003, 12:00 AM

Seems like I'm posting in the middle of a heated debate.

**Calibretto** · November 16th, 2003, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Faxtar
I really dont think this matter is up for disscussion. Its not a matter of "free speech" of "censorship" because this site is owned by Jason Manley and he will decide in the end what material is allowed and who is banned.

You are absolutely right; the final say is Mr. Manley's, since this forum is his private property.

Anyway, on to the DSG submissions!
Bob Loblaw: I like your style a lot, and your characters give off a lot of personality.

vfxart: The enormous stack of books gives the piece great humor, but it might be stronger if we saw the apprentice peeking from behind it in despair. Just a suggestion. That transparent globe effect is really nice though.

danielh68: Awesome texture and color scheme. Good Job.

Indeed, good job everyone. Sorry I didn't have time to comment on everyone's piece, but good work all around.

**OLSEN** · November 16th, 2003, 12:31 AM

Right, onto the DSG submissions then, arguing with you guys gave me some time to paint after all, and im actually quite pleased with the result, although it did take a bit longer then the "standard" 90minutes.

It´s a wizard apprentice during the final "dungeon test" at the wizards academy.

Nice work all, that goes for the ones i disagree with too.

cheers.

**lavhoes** · November 16th, 2003, 12:40 AM

I'm still building my pencil-sketching skills, so here's another sketch for today (ignore the guy on the left):

I imagine these things will get more and more complex as time progresses. I'll eventually move back to color, but for right now I want to better my underpainting skills first.

**silentbrain** · November 16th, 2003, 12:41 AM

Seems like I'm out of time, but I'd rather not post late again haha

Nice work everyone!

Even though some feathers may have been ruffled, nice discussion as well XD

hito- gouaAAUUUUGGGHHHHHHHHH-che~
Bravo for taking on that medium.
Maybe someday i will have the courage to face the demon again also...

**awalloffire** · November 16th, 2003, 02:11 AM

I knew there were going to be great submissions today. Really diverse concepts without trailing off topic. silent I love the glow effect. I wasn't sure how to do it on mine. bammer deep perspective with a lot of movement. hungerartist Love the style. Reminds me of the groupboard tools.
Very little shocks me and nothing offends me. It's a huge waste of time.

**Bob Loblaw** · November 16th, 2003, 02:55 AM

Woah, silentbrain nice drawing / painting. The look of concentration on the kid's face is convincing!

I'm bummed, I showed my wife my sketch and she asked if it was some old guy and Saddam Hussein! "No its not," I said, "its supposed to be a wizened wizard and his overgrown apprentice..." Ah well, back to the drawing-board.

**poly_cube** · November 16th, 2003, 03:43 AM

lets face it- every apprentice gets to wear the hat every now and then

**Phuzion** · November 16th, 2003, 03:59 AM

Calibretto: I Don't mind in the slightest ;p

**mtomczek** · November 16th, 2003, 04:22 AM

OK GUYS..... Sorry it took me awhile to get to this. It was reported to me about QSeptember5's signature. I feel that in the interest of the board and its members that racist/derogatory/homophobic/whatever remarks be left out. But one can excersise their voice here. Phuzions painting is an opinion, a voice about a subject, but in no way is he poking fun/singling out a demographic or race or anything(other then monkey boy George DUBYA). If it said something like white power or ni**ers must die or something stupid like that then it would be removed instantly. But with QS5's signature its not really an opinion about a subject, its using homosexuality in a way to poke fun at something. This is a very touchy subject in the land of forums, but in most cases the real world still applies here, and it is not appropriate. All I ask QS5 is that you change your signature. It has offended people here, and thats not allowed. No need to quit or be deleted. Just change the signature.

**awalloffire** · November 16th, 2003, 04:55 AM

Qs5's signature isn't even a derogatory statement. At worst it suggests that one can, indeed run in a homosexual manner. Shame on all of us for letting something so trite take the fun out of something so great. Very disappointed. On to the next DSG!

p.s. Family Guy Rules!

**wheels** · November 16th, 2003, 07:41 AM

@Bob Loblaw

Really like your sketch, both the mood an the colors, guess that in some way are more or less the same thing

anyways, great work

Regards David

**mtomczek** · November 16th, 2003, 08:44 AM

Its not a matter of being trite. Individuals had reported the post saying that they were offended by it. If someone takes offense to it, we have to take actions to remedy that situation. Whether you take it in an offensive context or not doesnt matter, someone did.

**vfxart** · November 16th, 2003, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Calibretto

vfxart: The enormous stack of books gives the piece great humor, but it might be stronger if we saw the apprentice peeking from behind it in despair. Just a suggestion. That transparent globe effect is really nice though.

Indeed, good job everyone. Sorry I didn't have time to comment on everyone's piece, but good work all around.

I had actually given that a fair amount of thought... I have his features and costume worked out in thumbnails, but while I was drawing this I thought it'd be amusing to have a situation where all you see of this character is this pile of books, some scraps of paper, drops of ink, etc... that is his total existence for say his first year or so as an apprentice...

Faxtar, yeah morphine. Sorry, was alluding to yesterday's DSG... I'm waiting for a kidney stone to pass... so kind of out of it.

Many thanks for the words folks...!

**ClocktowerArtworks** · November 16th, 2003, 11:12 AM

sorry to bring up the whole controversy again, but i would just like to ammend my earlier post in saying that i am not pro-censorship, but i do feel that if you want to make a comment about racism, homophobia, etc. do it with art and not with a signature that could be misread by others. I'm all for poking fun at one another because i think it can be a good way to make light of our differences, but there are ways to do it that everyone can enjoy and ways that might seriously offend others and it's important to be selective in how we do it, so that we don't turn people away from this forum. I love the Family Guy, South Park, the Simpsons and other similar types of comedy because they poke fun at everyone and leave no one safe...you can't be called prejudice or bigoted if you make fun of everyone. anyway, nice work on this dsg everyone.

**renone** · November 16th, 2003, 05:07 PM

This post has been removed. You are not welcome here. GO AWAY

**OLSEN** · November 16th, 2003, 05:18 PM

This post made no sence after the above post was removed, so i removed it. -Olsen

**j1w0n** · November 16th, 2003, 07:32 PM

this is kinda bland and undetailed, but i wanted to post anyway. it's also late

at least the concept was good, i think. i was taking the idea from the jedi counsel thingy and this was to depict an apprentice receiving approval by the wizard leaders.

i need to practice this style A LOT more.

**Bammer** · November 17th, 2003, 02:49 AM

Homosexual refrigerators. That's very worth getting worked up over. Next one might speak of gay microwaves, and then all humanity will be lost.

I really dig you're picture Olsen. That guy's costume is all kinds of cool.

**mtomczek** · November 17th, 2003, 03:08 AM

OK guys this is enough. Drop the subject now. ITS OVER

**renone** · November 17th, 2003, 05:06 AM

REMOVED. GO AWAY

**plaf** · November 17th, 2003, 05:11 AM

not very p-e-r-c-e-p-t-i-v-e, are you?

**silentbrain** · November 17th, 2003, 07:22 AM

Damn, now you got me all interested in what renone said.

And I'm still curious as to how a homosexual refrigerator would run. It sounds almost like it could be a dsg topic! XD (sorry mtomczek)

(thanks awalloffire and Bob Loblaw!)

**renone** · November 17th, 2003, 06:39 PM

Actually we can. GO AWAY

**j1w0n** · November 17th, 2003, 08:57 PM

heh heh.. don't you have anything else to do?

**Pillick** · November 17th, 2003, 09:11 PM

renone, your fridge wouldnt run at all, coz it would be LAME =P
Bugger off and find something better to do.

**DV8** · November 28th, 2003, 10:23 AM

I am back. The last few weeks have been pretty crappy for me... when it rains it pours. It started with a death in the family, and kept spiralling downwards from there. Trying to get my sh*t back together. anyways:

number 22... not in a row but I am going to catch up on all the ones i missed. Tried to go more lighthearted than usual on this one (to try and cheer me up). but whatever.