Felt-tip thinner than the Micron .005 Pen?

**Zirngibism** · May 29th, 2007, 01:58 PM

The pen I usually use is Sakura's .005 felt-tip "micron". It easily makes lines around half as wide as the period at the end of this sentence (but can also make thicker ones depending on how its used). The offical line size is said to be 0.2mm.

Pics of the pen I use: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Articles2/3...ges/005pen.jpg & http://www.wetcanvas.com/Articles2/3.../005pennib.jpg

(Hm... for some reason the links don't work for me so just look up "Micron pen .005" on google)

Anyway, my question is if anyone knows whether there's a smaller felt-tip pen out there. I'm talking needle-small lines. The only thing that makes this seem a little hard to imagine is that it would be so easy to crush the tip... unless it was made of something stronger.

So anyone know of the "smallest" felt-tip pin out there?

**Arshes Nei** · May 29th, 2007, 02:55 PM

http://www.dickblick.com/zz221/27/

I've used the regular Copic Multiliners for a while, I just got the set of SPs.

**Misty L.** · May 29th, 2007, 05:56 PM

I don't know if there are smaller felt tip pens out there, but there are technical pens (I think they also have another name, but I forgot) which I think are thinner than microns.
Here's a link to the ones made by staedtler: http://www.staedtler.com/Mars_matic_...?ActiveID=2414
I've seen them irl and they're tiny thin - I've never tried using them though, so I dunno...

**HunterKiller_** · May 30th, 2007, 03:43 AM

0.005mm? I doubt they can go smaller than that...
You could always buy a nice brush, pluck all the hairs leaving only one and use that.

**2100** · May 30th, 2007, 04:27 AM

why do you need something so small?

**Zirngibism** · May 30th, 2007, 10:58 AM

Thanks for the links!- I was hoping not to have to refill ink cartriges, but I can live. I'm looking forward to seeing how far I can push detail.

Originally Posted by HunterKiller_

0.005mm? I doubt they can go smaller than that...
You could always buy a nice brush, pluck all the hairs leaving only one and use that.

0.2mm in actual measurement, actually, though they call it .005.

Originally Posted by 2100

why do you need something so small?

Well, it's a good question, I should probably draw larger-- Often, I'll draw when I'm in a place like school, or waiting in an restaurant, etc... I'll use a small sketchbook 9" by 7", and draw detailed creatures, etc..., so if I want good detail in a tiny space, it seems to work. It also saves ink

. I have a couple in my sketchbook at this website.

**daveneale** · June 9th, 2007, 03:13 PM

wow, just checked out your myspace....for an 18yr old your freeking awome...real cool and interesting work...sorry, nothing to do with tiny pens

**Grief** · June 9th, 2007, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Misty L.

I don't know if there are smaller felt tip pens out there, but there are technical pens (I think they also have another name, but I forgot) which I think are thinner than microns.
Here's a link to the ones made by staedtler: http://www.staedtler.com/Mars_matic_...?ActiveID=2414
I've seen them irl and they're tiny thin - I've never tried using them though, so I dunno...

yeah those are the pens i use.

they aren't felt tipped, they use metal wires and a counter-weight system, so when pressure is applied it lifts the weight allowing ink to travel down the wire, it's incredibly precise if you take care of the pens.

they are refillable and easy to clean. unlike felt tipped pens (or pigment liners) you'd have a hard time 'crushing' the fine point (unless you slammed the tip against your drawing surface in rage, or soemthign stupid), but for drawing use, they wont wear down.

i suggest drawing larger though, 11x14 is a good size (fits in most standard backpacks without any fuss).

also for ink work this small make sure you're using hot press heavy weight paper (at least 60lbs, preferably over 100lbs). the fine tipped pens will destroy the fibers of cold press paper if you begin to work in fine detail, resulting in bad linework. certain acetates, vellum, and vellum finish papers aren't a bad choice either. since they are so smooth in finish, the ink rests on the surface of the paper rather than being soaked into the page which may result in bleeding. one drawback to smooth finish paper is that since the ink is not absorbed it takes longer to dry, which may cause smearing and streaking if you're too impatient.

**Elwell** · June 10th, 2007, 07:42 PM

As has been mentioned, technical pens. Or draw bigger.

**Shpow.Iain** · June 11th, 2007, 10:11 AM

http://www.faber-castell.de/docs/ind...10965&m5=13469

If anyone has one of those, I totally swear we'd be like...pen pals or something...or ball point buddies, or..or.

I should stop >_>