Thanks armando for checking out my sketch book
Here is a link to the composition tutorial i found on the web very basic but just what i needed
The Video Tutorial i got free with Imaginefx mag. They have downloads on there site so maybe you can download it from there.
Two new pics for the same thing Art Crusades battle 5 (Dark abominations - Battle at The Horrors)
They are both off topic but i think the second one looks better and was quicker to do. I thought a lot more about composition and worked all of it up from a rough rather starting at one corner and rendering it.
There is still some problems with this pic but i want to move on.