is this....the way to study anatomy?O_o
is this....the way to study anatomy?O_o
It's a start. You might even just start with a certain feature, like the eyes, hands, mouth, nose, etc..., instead of going for the whole. Either way, it is a start, and if you keep heading down this path you should improve significantly. Just have some patience, and enjoy the ride.
please rate my new perspective picture
it seems to that you go on about this the wrong way, theres no need to start with the most difficult stuff - dude a perspective like that takes a long time to do good, even for the experienced artists.
Keep working on basic anatomy and angels, otherwice you kill the joy and fun of drawing! Draw faces, arms, legs stuff like that - get to know how the look before you go to the really hard stuff. Otherwice you just commit artistic suicide nad that would be a shame.
Good luck and try and fun instead.
no much requests here, anyway:
Okay, dude, let me spell this out for you: DROP THE ANIME. It is hurting you. Anime is a style derived from realism. You won't be able to make any progress on a style until you understand the realism behind it. Drop it and do realism. You'll be able to go back and do the anime after you know how to draw realism, but until you know how to draw realism, and very very well, you will not make any headway on the anime.
Last edited by SJ Bennighof; May 28th, 2005 at 02:36 PM.
um ok, but you know how difficult that would be for me, how should I start to draw that real human heads? If you don´t give me some useful advices that I would just blindly try to draw realism and do not know how to improve effectively. Copy drawing has no real sence, you see how crapy my real human heads are.
Since I don't think critiques on your drawings would help very much just a quick reply from me: You say you draw since 8 months and are still drawing like a beginner.... wrong. You draw since 8 months and ARE still a beginner! Don't get me wrong, it's the same with me and I draw for less than 8 months now. You just should ask yourself several questions: Why am I doing this? What is the place I want art to have in my life? If you just want to impress some girls, you should stop drawing right now and start going to the gym or something, because before you can impress any girl with your art there will be years gone by.
If you want to become artist, though, you can start by practicing now only every day but every friggin' minute you can spare. That's the only way to go. The hand and anatomystudies are a good start, though. And yes, start drawing human heads. If the fact that they look crappy is an argument for not practicing you didn't get the concept behind practice!
Its dang difficult for all of us. The best anime artists out there, know about anatomy,they understand how the human body functions and they know whats under the skin and how it cooperates and functions with the skull and the skin and the muscles.etc.Originally Posted by Fayt
Does copying drawings have sense?
Yes. The best answer to that though, is balance. Too much of it is bad. When it comes to anatomy there has to be some copying done.
Lets say you started studying the skull. Copying a few drawings here and there while observing as youre copying the shapes and how the jaw works and the placements of the bones. You'll eventually remember those as you draw them several times;draw them constantly and a lot more and your memory will be better. Eventually and gradually you'll start noticing things in some of your drawings and see that maybe a nose is out of place or the jaw is too far back, etc. Then when you notice them you could correct them. Though getting critiques from other people, like the kind and helpful people of these forums who take the time to critique you for your own benefit. Also try critiquing other peoples work, you'll learn from that as well.
I understand its confusing at first and very very very frustrating not to acheive the results youd like from the beginning, but just keep at it. Give yourself a goal, or some motivation. Draw everyday and study. Though balance your time. Not too many drawings from your head and not too many studies.
Ps. Do a lot of life drawing. Draw the people around you,the objects around you or anything else. etc.
Pss. You could also look around these forums. Particularly the critique forums,and the life drawing and learning. Look around, you'll find some things that'll help you get started.
Hope this helps.
Last edited by Dished; May 28th, 2005 at 08:10 PM.
People are trying to help you, but you're not really making an effort. You can't seriously expect people on ONLINE forums to babystep you through the entire drawing process...get a reality check, man. Stop complaining you can't do things, because hundreds of people are going through exactly what you're doing and are fine. I know it's really frustrating at first to not get any replies when some people get like a billion each time they post, but it usually means one of two things: 1) you suck, or 2) you're just average. Usually the case is that the artist is just mediocre. Either way, it means you need to improve. Again, no offense, but you're being really immature. You sound pretty young, although I could be wrong, so it may be that the best option for you is to take a heavily guided art course somewhere in school - there you would get ready access to someone who can help you with anatomy and all that. Until then, chin up, and keep drawing.
If you need help, I'll be available for a few weeks. Feel free to pm me, or to IM me at angelgoo17 on AIM or [email protected] on MSN. I can prolly find a step by step tutorial somewhere that you can do.
haha... I started out in anime... I learned my most basic of anatomy.... and I think that if it weren't for me drawing anime I wouldn' t be any where near where I am today.... but I am a realistic artist.... you don't have to just go for realistic to improve... if anime is what you love then drawing anime.... keep it fun and in your intrests... if your not really into realism, its ok... you don't have to draw realism.... its kind of like my art teacher telling me that drawing nudes is bad... haha.. I love drawing nudes so I kept drawing nudes... KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!! keep practicingOriginally Posted by SJ Bennighof
studying anatomy is probably the best choice you can make at this point.... just search the web or head to the book store... if your really into anime I suggest the "How to Draw Manga" series... they helped me I have about 7 books on that.. haha... and I don't even draw manga or anything like that....
check out this site.... for realism
and for anime:
if you look there are a million other sites that have great tutorials and such on drawing anything you want.... if your into reading and such I'd suggest Drawing with the right side of the brain - Betty Edwards
Alvin, to clarify, I'm talking about learning realist anatomy, not necessarily drawing realism as a rule and trying to express yourself in realism if that isn't th ebst choice for you. But the anatomy studies have to be realist anatomy studies.
SJ is right, anatomy drawing is a must. I used to draw anime way back in the day, but then I started doing more realistic stuff. I haven't looked back since then, but I know if I wanted to return to anime I could do it 100 % better than I could before. You're already above my level without the anatomy studies, so if you do the realism now, I'm sure you'll improve tenfold.
well, I am 16 and I do not need a babysitter. I am only afraid of loseing my manga skills, when I stop. I do not want to end up drawing bad manga and bad realism stuff. Of course I am not satisfied with my manga stuff, but you understand I think.
Here, my realistic Britney image.
The hands are quite good in that picture, but the forehead seems a little small. The head also seems to be a bit more tilted than in the picture. You forgot the little parts of the ear, even if these seem trivial, add them - it will make your drawing look that much more natural.
There is no way you can 'lose' skills if you're drawing. Bad realist stuff as you put it will not make you worse or better at manga. And you're sixteen? You've still got years to go. Don't worry about it.
you are improving, whether you realize it or not. Of course, anatomy would be the first thing to look at, since you're eager to draw characters... Anatomy will teach you HOW to draw them to look convincing. Not always real... most cartoonists have a very good sense of anatomy... and they've just learned how to break the rules convincingly.
The other thing is to just have fun. You'll gain more hand-muscle and begin to develop your eye-to-hand accuracy (that people often forget to mention those to a starting artists) just by drawing A LOT.... so make it fun for yourself!
If you want to draw anime, fine, you WILL get better at that too as you go along. But it will take time and hard work, so make sure you're having fun as you go; make sure you're enjoying it, first and foremost.
I just want to assure you that studying from life will only strengthen your abilty to create dynamic images no matter what style you prefer....
I am sure you knoe who H. tae kim is,,, but look at the blend of realism and the mangaish simplification of forms.....
This is what studying from life will do for your work...
Don't be afraid to try new things,, even stuff that seems to be intriniscally contrary to what you pursue,,,,,,all knowledge in art is interconected,,,try sculpting little figures for crissakes,,, it will all just make you stronger......
keep hacking away,, you will become really great if you want it more than anyone else.
wow, that picture is great, that arm muscles and the hands! i WANT TO DO THAT, TOO! But everybody is talking from fife drawing, how should I do that, in school? That is not possibe. And sitting in a park and try to draw human beeing is also difficult, they move^^
Of course I will download the important pages of the loomis books and study them, but I think this won´t help me to draw arms like this. Well, maybe I am wrong. I will post an other picture I am working on later, it won´t be a copied one, so it will have more mistakes.
Download all of the pages. Hell, I can file transfer some complete pdfs to you if you want. You can't tell what's important and what's not if you haven't done the studies. Every page is important. And yes, you are wrong, Loomis will help you draw arms like that. Loomis helps everything.Originally Posted by Fayt
You'd be suprised. The Loomis books teach some very important parts of the body that you must get right to create a convincing figure. Little things such as elbows and the way the muscles are arranged go a long way in doing that. Life drawing is difficult, yes, but you might want to study photos. Keep in mind tat a lot of form is lost on photos - you won't learn as much from them as from life drawing, but you do learn.lOriginally Posted by Fayt
I wouldn't study from photo ref, if you ask me. I mean, I've tried, and I just am never happy with the way it ends up looking. No life. But actually, Fayt, you might want to sit around and just draw people that don't know that you're drawing them. I call it snipesketching, and there's a bit of it in my sketchbook. it's really helps you to draw accurately and quickly as you do more and more of it.
i have a few suggestions O_o
in order to draw stuff like that - u have to understand it - understand the images in ur eye
u should try more realistic - BUT SIMPLE - instead of that anime mangaaish style - its easier to understand anaytomic details - and do it step by step ..sometimes we try to do stuff we just cant and then we get frustrated or something there are things u can studie in order to learn what u want to learn but its very very hard to start at 5 without knowing about 1 2 3 4
same with perspective - u should understand it before u try to draw such intresting upskirt shots .. i mean when u got that knowledge its very easy to controle 3Dness and volumes... its also very easy to see where u made mistakes and where u need to improve in order to get -> ....
just an example how i proceed with heads .. i brake the form into low detail shapes - mainly cubical cornersno smooth transitions ( a sphere has 360 of these lil cibucal parts - 1 part for each degree
its easier to allign a cube in space * drawingwise * instead of a head for example - but - know the cubical face and u know how to allign it because that thing is just made out of 10 100 1000 or 10000 cubes
like this thing. just made out of quads - connected with the right angle in circular shape and u get a sphere -
when u wanna draw bodies - i suggest to keep theem simple - legs arms are cylinders and the rest.. something bedweeen a cube and a sphere - keep it simple to do tons of studies in short time *more efficient - then to try one more realistic thing *
-simplifie- -> orientation -> proportions -> details
learn some muscles n anatomy *loomis bridgman hogarts*
think about 3D and how to visualize it
use more views to understand ur object - at least -> front left right top - ( bottom back )
draw simple to understand -> draw more detailed to improve
when u finished drawing one thing and u dont like it.. change the approach .. change lines angles and proportions experiment a bit change placement of ur features change their size and their allignment *horizontal and vertical* i mean u should rotate them to get the view right - example -> look at that britneys head.. u cant see her nose holes - when she look up now u can see in her nose but she would look like a pig if u could see that holes from front view - u can look in a mirror and just move ur head slightly - loop up look down and left right so see how ur shapes change
u have slightly changes for each degree <- very comples
but .. try simple first but keep the 360 in ur mind its also helpfull to start this with easy geometrie -> cubes cylinders <- to rotate and draw these u will need the same drawing rules that H. tae kim used to finish his stuff- we all need these rules but we are not completly aware off -
i used to draw cubes and cylinders for 3 month.. all the day O_o maybe sounds boring but it was so much fun its unbelievable maybe because i knew that i need these in order to become good at drawing ..
hope u understand my p00r english
feel free to ask ur questions abut this and stuff if u like
pss : reminder : understand what u see - sudevide forms into easy geometrie - analyse and observe the objects and volume
Realism will only help your manga. You wont lose your manga skills. It'll improve.Originally Posted by Fayt
It is possible too!Look at people like digi/bobby chu's skectchbook. He does life drawings on subways and such. Drawing from life will not only help your hand/eye coordination,but it will help give a natural look to your drawings, and it will help you learn how to sketch a bit quicker. Try drawing kids in class, try to get as much as you can. Usually I start with the gesture then go into details. It'll be frustrating at first cause you'll feel it'll suck and stuff but keep doing them, and eventually you'll get faster and better at it. If youd like an example i could show you. Ive actually grown to like drawing from life, its really fun "snipesketching" as SJ puts it. Think of it as a game, try drawing as much of the person as you can without them realising youre drawing and before they move.Originally Posted by fayt
Look around the sketchbooks here, lots of us do life drawings, drawing people in coffee shops,in class. etc. Also whats neat about drawing in class, is if youre drawing in a class you dislike you dont feel that youre wasting time. Theres tons of doodles and life drawings in my math notebook :].
You could take life drawing classes if you want to as well. They'll have models. Though drawing from the life around you as the great Marko D says, will not only make you a better artist but a better person.
sounds good, but I do not want anybody to know that I draw, everybody how knows it said I suck. This is my secret I share with you.
I really draw strage bodys........hmmmm.
maybe some advices to the images? Maybe to the arm of the first image?
as i said
1 keep it simple
2 subdevide realistic thinss into easy geometrie - cubes cylinders etc
3 dont start drawing with realistic stuff - its impossible to start with it because -> lack of knowledge and experience
after u know how to draw and reproduce this stuff .. i mean u need the KNOW HOW and not just wow cool iam lucky.. to get this done what u wanna draw
u have to studie each feature seperated to gain understanding abut that volume and object - to draw realistic tits.. u may need 100000 single studies to understand the volume how they bounce and dunno..
anatomy : learn and keep muscle names in ur mind -
then draw simple geometrie and add all muscles u still have in ur mind..
iam not gonna say : draw draw draw .. but i say : do 100000 studies for each feature and think about 3Dness and think about .. and ur pro artist
-> vanishing points
start with cubes and cylinders
check my skechtbook and see how i improved
when i started drawing my stuff was like yours - depending on our skill levels it is as good as it can be - more skill = more experience = better drawings
i dun wanna demotivate u but u have to learn this in order to do like u want to.. its not just working because u want to draw.. u need experience and understanding and u gain both of it when u draw and """THINK""" about it
u cant walk or run when u dunno how to use ur legs.. u cant do anything with ur hand when u dunon how to controle ur fingers
additional info : understand the objects 3Dness - britneys arm - when u dunno how to see that 3Dness - use at least 3 views to understand 3Dness - u cant draw 3d when u cant see it like that
drawing and rotating cubes is a very good exercise
hope u understand - comment it pls
its fukin easy to tell others : that sucks
but mostly its impossible for these guys to try and learn on their own..woaaa i really hate those idiots
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