What is Digital Painting? A rant and a cry for help.

[bcarman]

Unfortunately, for the time being, I find myself using a fair amount of staining colors on cold press blocks or thin gauge faux-moleskine stuff-- so the issue, presently, is not damaging the crap out of the surface.

But. . .

I'm sensing an excuse to head out to Daniel Smith and get some more stuff to play with.

(But, I understand the OP's angst: Why won't this stuff do what I want it to do, in the way I want it to do it, when I want it to do it, etc., etc!)

But, that's where half the fun is.

I went to school with a guy who uses watercolor on watercolor board and erases with an electric eraser after it dries. Works really well, but you can't do it more than once or twice. in an area.

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Yeah, whats with having to upgrade every year now? CS6 is a 12 month license or a monthly rental.

Do you have a reference for this?

[Arshes Nei]

Do you have a reference for this?

He may be referring to the Cloud Licensing?

http://prodesigntools.com/adobe-crea....html#choosing

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He may be referring to the Cloud Licensing?

http://prodesigntools.com/adobe-crea....html#choosing

Cloud lincensing is an option, last time I checked it is still possible to buy a perpetual license. However, according to the new policy, you can only upgrade from the newest version, which is not exactly an improvement compared to the old situation, where you could upgrade from a somewhat older version. However, according to my information, you are free to buy a license and live with it for the rest of your life...

[Farvus]

Yes. It's pointless to simulate traditial media in painting program just for the sake of faking the traditional look. However a little bit of controlled chaos in the way the tool reacts to your marks gives image more richness and organic feel. Every "brush" mark being unique is what you're going for. Otherwise you get very homogeneous look. The actual name of brush might just give you some idea what to expect but in the end it doesn't really matter. You can rename everything and use numbers, letters or whatever you want..or even better. In digital painting program you can make brush from scratch that acts like nothing you've seen before and call it Jakkar's_completelydigitallook_brush1. As artist you learn how to make the most of your tools especially when they are highly customizable for personal needs.

[TinyBird]

Also wait what?

I'm tired of traditional media simulation, I started as a digital artist because I'm not interested in time-consuming, expensive, primitive techniques.

So digital art is quick, cheap and hyper-charged of advance? Now I really want to see your traditional works too.

[dpaint]

Cloud lincensing is an option, last time I checked it is still possible to buy a perpetual license. However, according to the new policy, you can only upgrade from the newest version, which is not exactly an improvement compared to the old situation, where you could upgrade from a somewhat older version. However, according to my information, you are free to buy a license and live with it for the rest of your life...

Yeah, you can only upgrade from a new version starting 2013 with 6? So I have CS 5 and if I don't upgrade to 6 that means when 7 comes out I have to buy a full version? Used to be you could skip up to two version upgrades and still get an upgrade price on the third?
From the Adobe site


Upgrade offer for CS3 and CS4 customers
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Take advantage of our special introductory upgrade pricing on Creative Suite 6 for customers who own CS3 and CS4 individual products and suite editions. This temporary upgrade offer is valid through December 31, 2012. After that date, only customers who own CS5 or CS5.5 products will qualify for upgrade pricing to CS6.

[Star Eater]

Also wait what?

So digital art is quick, cheap and hyper-charged of advance? Now I really want to see your traditional works too.

Indeed. You talk the talk Jakkar, now lets see your art.

[Kamber Parrk]

Indeed. You talk the talk Jakkar, now lets see your art.

Being that I've managed to kinda hijack this into people giving me watercolor tips, I'll stick some art into this thread:

[JeffX99]

Frustrated with this conversative attitude prevalent in the digital art community both among the software programmers and the artists themselves whose desires define the profitable angle for the makers.

Take it up with Android Jones.

[vineris]

Why won't this stuff do what I want it to do, in the way I want it to do it, when I want it to do it, etc., etc!

What I mostly want is for people to just learn to do it right.

I mean sure, there's good design and bad design. At some point in school we were going to build a program whose buttons moved when the mouse cursor approached them and the "Quit" button was invisible. But if thousands of professionals have managed to learn to use X-random-program and the general consensus isn't "this is the most boneheaded thing ever", then maybe the program isn't the problem.

... I also own a computer, and a digital tablet to enable me to freehand draw and paint directly into digital without the time-consuming complications of traditional means.

And now you are discovering the time-consuming complications of digital means.

[TinyBird]

And now you are discovering the time-consuming complications of digital means.

Not to mention expensive... Sure, you might be able to pirate software (unless you plan on doing this as a work) and you don't run out of Photoshop paints but good computers, screens (and the things you might need to adjust the monitor's colours), proper scanners, wacoms etc are not exactly cheap either, especially if they break down. So though they might be cheaper in the long run (unless any of those breaks down) the initial investment costs shitload more than say, good watercolours or medium priced acrylics/oils.

[I-Bomb]

I sense another Worse of CA coming

[Star Eater]

I think the whole discussion was just created to get a rise out
of people. I admit I fell for it. From one of the users other
posts in the Painter section of the forums, it sounds like he/she
is just out to bash painter and similar programs.

I hope Jakkar will prove me wrong, but until we see some
evidence, I'm with Armand in writing this off as a troll thread.

[I-Bomb]

Better start doing it now I bet you he wont show up

[Arshes Nei]

Well, sounds to me like the problem is your inability to draw and paint with anything; it isn't the digital tools out there, since so many people have achieved professional results. Post some pictures of your traditional paintings to prove you have any ability to paint at all before blaming the tools other people use. Otherwise you're just a troll and someone should lock this thread.

I believe you may be right here. Here's a quote in replying to a developer posting about an upcoming beta in the hardware software forums.

Bolding the interesting part.

Extremely interested in joining in with testing, I'm tired of traditional media simulation, I started as a digital artist because I'm not interested in time-consuming, expensive, primitive techniques.

I've taken a look at the tumblr - please update soon and let us know when you'll shift the testing to public beta =)

In other words "Bawwwww traditional sucks even though I haven't worked on it." So traditional tools are primitive and expensive. I'd pull out from the box of kl00 since there's always another one that quickly pops in its place, but it's fairly obvious the guy doesn't get it or is just trolling y'all.

[keeptime]

It's in the topic, ma'am; It's a rant.