G2KCJB Anatomy Study Group

[Charmer]

I do use the sphere method in Loomis book.... do you mean that? btw.. can you add me on skype zarni.nway.oo? so that we can talk .. I alr add Charmer and Tomskie

Yeah, because we're the TRIANGLE OF PENCILDEATH! Uaaaaargh!!!!

[Jyoung]

sorry lol i don't have it

i don't really use the loomis method, (not real sure what it is)

i mean lines that run across the head to mark the eyeline, the top and bottom of the ear and the center (to show which way its looking). i think alot of the old masters used some of these lines, maybe loomis did to.

[Leo::Amorim]

Hey, mates! How are ya?

About the method, i use to follow Loomis method too, but there's a problem i have, and i wish to know your opinion...

I have BIG problems to create head forms, i mean, sometimes we have to distort the sphere and jaw line, so we can make different faces... And i have problems to make this distortion. So, any of you guys have the same problem? Any advice or hint to this topic?

Take care, boys and girls!

[SkullClutter]

I've been having a lot of issues doing heads at different angles with the sphere construction method - I have a hard time placing the jawline and features even with guidelines.
Bridgman has a 'cube construction' method I've been studying from that I've found a lot easier. I'll have to scan in my studies a bit later -- I'm still working on them.
Charmer: Thanks for the link -- I've been meaning to give that site a try.

And if anyone wants me on skype, I'm "resident-bishounen"

[SkullClutter]

Hey guys, sorry for the double post.
Here's what I've managed to get done so far. The cube method definitely seems easier for me to understand.

[Leo::Amorim]

Really nice sketches, Jockey...

I like Bridgman for the whole body study, muscles and movement, but the head is the only part that his method don't become confortable to me...

Well, mates, i didn't have time to take Loomis books to read, so here another pages of sketches, i did more heads from imagination and some with references, so bring the crits, mates!

[SkullClutter]

Charmer: A number of the heads sketched digitally don't seem long enough
znno:I have a hard time with the loomis method, too. Take more time to measure things out and add more guidlines if you have to.
Jyoung: Looks good! She looks pretty bored. Practicing different expressions would be good when you get a chance.
Leo:: These are starting to look better. Keep up the good work.

Anyway, this is topic change day, so no more heads. Unless we're still going strong by the time we reach the feet at which point if we want to keep going we can start over, I guess.

This week: the Neck

[Leo::Amorim]

Thanks, Jockey...

Still don't like them hehehe...

So neck it is! Good work week, mates!

[Charmer]

Yeah guys, I've been busy the last few days and I can say thank you for this group here. Really helps me to push it a bit more. And thanks for the critiques!

bitjockey, your heads are very good imo. The leaned back head (the one you see from below) looks like that guy would have a very strong forehead. Maybe just a perspective problem.

Leo, your heads are well observed I guess. Looks very much like improving, right? Keep it on, do lots of heads. Fast, slow, from photos, in the bus, in the train and wherever you go keep your sketchbook with you. Yeah !

Guys - CA 4.0 is coming!!!

[tomskie]

pfft head and neck study more to come!

[Charmer]

tomskie, those heads are great man! Don't have any critique! Maybe his eyes should look in the same direction

[Leo::Amorim]

Thanks, Charmer... I will, man!

Tomskie, really great heads mate... The neck are really have some natural and strong look... Beatiful sketches!

Busy week incoming, i'll try to push bit more... Cya later, fellas!

[KONM]

Hey. I'd like to join in. I don't currently have a sketchbook, but I'd like to make one.

Is it necessary?

A bit about myself:

I'm 15 years old and I live in America. I have been drawing for the past 2 to 3 years. When I am not drawing, I am usually playing games or spending time talking to family and friends.

[tomskie]

Yeah you can join curious about your work

[KONM]

Yeah you can join curious about your work

Thanks. Has a new body part been picked yet? The first post says you pick a new part every Monday, right?

[tomskie]

yeah, we study the neck now. I do both head and neck cause it doenst work for me if i do them seperate

[KONM]

Oh alright. I will probably approach it the same way as you. It feels a bit awkward without the head.

[tomskie]

I do it because placing the head on the neck is kinda difficult if you only learn the neck alone and then the head, you can remember movements way better that way

[Gof]

Hello I wanna join too

I'm 17 years old, I live in Brazil and I wanna be a Illustrator.
Today I did some studies from skull's photos and from the mirror.

[Wingal]

Welcome! And nice studies!

[KingElvis]

Hi guys, Sry for that late participation, work got in the way of art.
Anyway, came up with some studies, still struggling with all those construction lines and the placement of features. Wow thats hard. But I guess mileage and constant refining will do the trick.
Oh and ill post some neck studies later today or tomorrow i guess.






Charmer:Nice studies. Cant crit much there, cept for, maybe be careful of the how far the two eyes are apart from each other. I dont really how that should be constructed when drawing a 3/4 view, tho. I just see it on some faces (man with beard in middle picture, the eyes are too close right?) (lower picture, first girl, second row from below, eyes too far apart) But in terms of solidity of the heads you made a pretty good job! The ball method never worked for me actually..maybe i should try it a bit more too.

znnp: Draw more and youll be more comfy, youll see. maybe start a little simpler: Draw a cube and then draw that head inside of that cube. Just to get a feeling for the 3rd dimension that you wanna accomplish in youre drawings. Use refs, make a good copy, like you did in your second picture, and then draw that same subject from imagination. See how much you still remember.

Jyoung:Solid. What more can i say here? Show us more!

bitjockey: Your drawings look really accurately constructed. Only thing i see is that the middle of the forehead, i.e. where the upper nose bone connects into the forehead, should stand out a little. Meaning, the brow line isnt a straight line, seen from above or below. Your way to construct doesnt quite show that in order to make understanding the head easier i guess, which is fine. But as soon as you put some realistic looking features on top of your construction, as you did on your second page, this problem shows. I dont know if you have a skull at home or maybe you have some villpu videos. Hes talking about that thing quite a bit.

Leo::Amorim: Youre focusing on the basics pretty well. Think about if you really need every line possible to show smth. I see that when you draw lips for example. Do you really need a line to define upper and lower lip? Lines should usually be used to define things that are form-wise, clearly seperated. This always depends on the angle that you see things from. This doesnt always apply to stylized art tho Im basically talking about the different ways you drew the nose in "4IM" and "3IM".
The neck in "1Ref" seems to be misplaced to me. I dont know if the ref actually looked like that tho.


tomskie:Cant crit much here. The bottom ones look pretty 3d in spite of the difficult angle!

Gof Welcome! I think you made some proper skull studies there. Be careful to perceive the exe-holes as just two black graphic shapes, which they are not. I guess you know that, since in your face study the eyeholes look good Seeing your studies makes me wanna do some too..still struggling with proper construction.

get going boys n girls! Work those art muscles

[SkullClutter]

Didn't get as much as I wanted done this week but I did manage to get a solid evening in the other night.
Some muscle studies from Bridgman, and then a bunch of photo-ref studies from Lovecastle.

KingElvis: Thanks for the tip. I haven't really been paying too much attention to that area. I've been focused on the jaw and the cranium. I don't have a skull, but I'll have to look into finding some villpu videos.

[Leo::Amorim]

King, thanks for the tips about lines, man! Really useful, serious! I always have this doubt, didn't understand really well and you cleared my mind! Thanks!

Now, i've a question to you too, do you used construction lines? They look really great and clean, seems you just doodle some directions lines... Am i right? It's weird, because when i draw with loomis method or any kind of method, i start to struggle and kind disappointed with the results, but when i use only some guidance lines, i feel confortable and start to enjoy the process... Any comments about it?

Oh, and tomorrow i'll post my necks sketches

[KingElvis]

Leo: Thanks mate! really clean construction is smth i rarely do and thats a big problem often times. When i draw the face, I try to feel the form. I started with the bridgman construction once and i loke it alot. When i strat to draw a face, I kinda draw part of the forehead first and try to feel and see where the form changes towards the side of the head. When ive got this form down i start building the rest of the head onto it. I have to carefully watch proportions and i roughly know where the nose or the eyes should sit and I just draw them in.
What i do then, is, I mirror the image in PS. It shows me immediately where I went wrong and then i try and correct it. Its usually the smallest little things that make the face look off its amazing! You can do the same by turning your paper around, holding it against smth light and looking thru it.

But back to the point, I too dont really stick to one method. For me its way more fun to treat that drawing lose and more like a gesture drawing and feel my way thru. The backside is that the likeness usually isnt there, but thats not really what Im striving for so.
But what I did in the past was that I copied the bridgman heads and tried to construct my own heads that way from imagination. This way Im much more familar with that method i guess.

[znno]

Hey guys ... here are some studies that I done for this week ....

I don't know how to study neck properly so... I did a lot of 1 minute head sketches everyday.. here are some of them...

I also tried to copy the head and neck in loomis book...

[Leo::Amorim]

Here my sketches, fellas!

Bring the crits!

Take care, mates!

[SkullClutter]

znno: The loomis and muscle studies were a good idea. The necks seem to be a bit thin in a lot of the one-minute sketches.

Leo: Good work! The necks at the top of the second image feel a bit short to me, but overall I can't really see much to critique.


This Week - Open Study
Since everyone's going to be ridiculously busy over the next few weeks, I thought we could take the next few weeks off, and resume with the shoulders or upper chest or something on January 2nd.

Feel free to keep doing studies: do more work on the head and neck, do some studies of overall proportions, get a head start on the rest of the body, whatever. Feel free to post any of it. I'm going to try and check in a few times a week.

[Charmer]

Hello guys and sorry for not posting so long. It'S been a very, very busy week and I still have a lot to do for school. Need to learn how to program stuff in Adobe Flash, making movies in After Effects etc. Did two weeks only CAD and 3ds Max now haha.

So here are my neck studies. A little late but I took at least some time to do that studies. Let's see how much improvement they will bring to my paintings.

For reference I used my mirror and my hands, touched my own neck to understand those muscles correct and I think I got the most important things to know now. Also used bridgman and a book called Anatomy and Drawing by Victor Perard.


KingElvis: Man you're doing great! I really like your heads, seems like you've nailed the anatomy down so far! Thanks for your advice, I'll work on it

Bitjockey: like your studies, too. They are bridgman right?

znno: Good work dude, just try to keep in mind that the eyes are most time in the middle of the head and some other basic proportions. You are going to get some steps forward. Great!

Leo: Those studies are good, don't know what to critizise. Keep it on!

[SkullClutter]

Charmer: Nice work. Yep, my studies are from Bridgman. I've got physical copies of a few of his books, so it's the easiest thing for me to study from.

[znno]

Thank you guys bityjockey, Charmer, King i will work on your advices. I don't know what to suggest to u guys cuz .. from the studies it is evidence that you guys are far ahead of me ...

Any how .. I have this question...

I am trying to draw things from three words like " Bird, Robot, Water" to come up with a concept designs but I am having hard time.. do you guys by chance know how to tackle that kind of problem?