Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.

[Jason Ross]

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/JohnChu.shtml



http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm#molten




http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...4244302?page=2

I'm pretty sure that they are referring to the Ground Zero clean up which took place some time after.


There were also similar temperatures under WTC 7 as well.

Molten aluminum gernerally turns silvery very quickly when poured. "Sometimes" the orange hue of molten aluminum is simply the reflection of the inner container. Skip to 1:38 on the first vid. It's not a strong enough argument for me to endorse, as molten aluminum can glow red/orange as well (2nd vid).


Noserider. I would say watch a controlled demolition that has gone wrong. Events need to go very precise in order to achieve a straight down collapse. I don't think that random ununiform damage could create what a controlled collapse could. In response to your jenga or "house of cards" analogy. I would say superglue all the cards together at the joints and then see see how they fall. A gradual weakening of the steel wouldn't cause such an event to happen. Same with the Jenga pieces ( I'd be soooo pissed off at that reporter), if the jenga pieces were glued together the building would have toppled and maybe broke when it hit the floor. It would not have collapse straight down. The cards/jenga pieces free falling would be reminiscent of the joints in a building being severed very rapidly.

[NoSeRider]

Inner core did temporarily survive, unless there was some digital quakerie.

[tobbA]

I like how this thread is turning into 'Battle of the Youtube Videos'.

[Max Challie]

I just hope this hasn't been posted already. And once again i will not sift through eight pages. Though a full length movie is a bit to ask of people..

[NoSeRider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRmb3Z-E0A

What Max Challie posted seems more reasonable then somebody putting C4 in the towers. I'd rather argue about the fact we elected incompetent paranoid narcissistic trust fund babies into office.

[Max Challie]

I'm happy to hear it probably hasn't been posted already (though the fact i haven't been following this thread and suddenly pop in a couple times is proof of my incompetence). But i don't know about having elected a group of neo-con dickbags into office; i take it that it's pretty well known most Americans didn't bother voting in the Bush/Kerry election because they knew any vote would pretty much end up as a Bush vote? Oramiwrong?

[Cory Hinman]

I seem to remember reading more people turning out to vote in 2004, which supports the idea that the second Dumbya win was no more legitimate than the 2000 theft, as people don't usually turn out in record numbers to support the status-quo, but rather are bent on toppling it.

[biglu]

What I like is how the Truthers are jumping all over the comment section of this video saying that this response from Al-Qaeda to Iran is a fake concocted by the CIA. It would be funny if Ahmadinejad responded back to Al-Qaeda with that same claim and pissed them off even more.

[Max Challie]

biglu - that was funny!

[Diarum]

there is not enough youtube videos in this thread, I demand MOAR!

[NoSeRider]

[Jason Ross]

Nice little "dot connecting" video my buddy sent to me today fun watch.

[Kamber Parrk]

The human mind's ability to latch onto various irrational belief systems is fascinating:

[Randis]

Others have done worse things for their 3 minutes fame and a book contract.
Giving such people media coverage is giving them exactly what they want.

[mozchops]

I think it's distracting that people argue the cause of collapse of the towers,

when you have the absence of a passenger plane at the Pentagon.

[NoSeRider]

Hazing people with facts as opposed to theories.

[mozchops]

[Jason Ross]

Here's what some truthers believe hit the Pentagon or something like it.

[mozchops]

The Pentagon must be bristling with hundreds of closed circuit security cameras around its perimeter, pointing in every conceivable direction, running 24/7, at the highest levels of resolution possible. (Not to mention security guards operating them).

Yet the only footage officially released to "adequately prove to the public" of the attack, is about 5 grainy frames from the local CITGO gas station which .......er.....don't adequately show a Boeing 737.

Not to mention all CCTV evidence from local buildings were confiscated within an hour of the event, and to this day, remain unreleased.

Makes you wonder.

[Chris Bennett]

So they went to all the trouble and risk of arranging to have something crash into the pentagon along with the unbelieveably complicated security arrangements and cover ups to get a commercial airline to lie about the disappearance of their aircraft, passangers and crew, along with organising a small army of people sworn to secrecy to produce and distribute wreckage of an actual 737 around the building in order to convince the world it was a terrorist attack. But at the same time decided to make it look like a cover up by not releasing fake footage of a Boeing 737 crashing into the building.

It does indeed make me wonder... wonder about what on earth is missing from people's lives that they cling onto their belief in this pathetic nonsense.

[Jason Ross]

2.3 trillion dollars may be well worth the risk.

Here's Rumsfeld on September 10th 2001 talking about the pentagon missing 2.3 trillion dollars. There was an ongoing investigation at the pentagon into where this money went. Take a guess at where this investigation, the investigators, and the evidence was being housed? You guess it, exactly where the terrorists "happened" to crash the plane into.

Show's a bit overproduced for my taste but it's entertaining.

[Max Challie]

Here's what some truthers believe hit the Pentagon or something like it.

I'm pretty reluctant to post what i'm posting, and mods will see two messages. But oh well whatever right?
There is an internal war raging between several intelligence groups. The positive group (or right wing, i guess) that i know of, 'Comm 12', is centered around naval intelligence. They leak accurate information into the public domain. When the missile (not plane) hit the Pentagon on 9/11, it hit the naval intelligence section of the building. This was part of the internal war between Aquarius and Comm 12 being played out.

The only conspiracy theory i know of is the official version of 9/11.

[s.ketch]

Actually it wasn't a missile. It was a projectile from the Navy's rail gun. The part of the Pentagon that was hit housed Nazi gold from WWII. The Rothschilds were keeping it there because The Pentagon is sort of like Gringotts form Harry Potter. All the valuable shit is stored above ground at a building that can be hit by projectiles. But that's the genius of it. It's the last place anyone would expect for critical communications systems to be or lots of secret gold or whatever.

Area 51 isn't the only place the shadow governments keep secrets. A pentagon has 5 sides. Area 51. 51 = 5 and a 1. The pentagon is building 5 of the millennium archives. Area 51 is building 6. 5+1 = 6. The millennium archive is where all our nation's secrets are held.

[Jason Ross]

Actually it wasn't a missile. It was a projectile from the Navy's rail gun. The part of the Pentagon that was hit housed Nazi gold from WWII. The Rothschilds were keeping it there because The Pentagon is sort of like Gringotts form Harry Potter. All the valuable shit is stored above ground at a building that can be hit by projectiles. But that's the genius of it. It's the last place anyone would expect for critical communications systems to be or lots of secret gold or whatever.

Area 51 isn't the only place the shadow governments keep secrets. A pentagon has 5 sides. Area 51. 51 = 5 and a 1. The pentagon is building 5 of the millennium archives. Area 51 is building 6. 5+1 = 6. The millennium archive is where all our nation's secrets are held.

I'm assuming that you think my post is entirely unsubstantiated and Jesse just made it up off the top of his head?

[s.ketch]

Ol' Jesse "I've been hit in the head too many times" Ventura. Surrounds himself with peers and then attacks snippets and video clips. Throw in the occasional low-level government idiot and you got yourself a following.

You assume I'm going to answer you seriously, but I'm not.

[NoSeRider]

Why do you believe a missile hit the pentagon when you have witnesses that say otherwise? Below are photos of bodies at the Pentagon presumed to be passengers and unfortunate people inside the building substantiated by the Virginia Court of Law:

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/result....&sa=Search#560

[Jason Ross]

You assume I'm going to answer you seriously, but I'm not.

Not really. I assumed you wouldn't answer me seriously because you couldn't. *edit* I didn't mean it that way I'm still writing so sorry if I came off the wrong way. I meant I don't have the hard facts to back it up either. No feud here. I enjoy talking to Buck about this stuff. I'm not trying to win anything here. I heard that stuff before Jesse had it in his show. Things seemed to be a little bit more rooted in real "motivation". The 'Ole hide the crime by destroying the evidence. Since "allegedly" the investigation into Enron and Worldcom were supposed to be housed in WTC 7. Things start to look very convenient for some people.

Why do you believe a missile hit the pentagon when you have witnesses that say otherwise? Below are photos of bodies at the Pentagon presumed to be passengers and unfortunate people inside the building substantiated by the Virginia Court of Law:

Well we know that people inside the pentagon were killed but this part you wrote "presumed to be passengers" is exactly a presumption. Have those bodies in the photos been identified as belong to particular passengers? Well what we do have is two kinds of witnesses to the pentagon. Some who say they saw a boeing and some who saw a small jet. The pentagon has cameras everywhere. If there was a boeing we would've seen it by now imo. How does this testimony about the pentagon not register at all? What sense do you make of it?

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/result....&sa=Search#560

Great find. This is new to me. Very gruesome. Let me ask you, if you were involved in this "conspiracy" and you saw these photos, would you run your mouth about it?

[s.ketch]

Another conspiracy everyone! Anybody who doesn't respond seriously, can't respond at all! There's no such thing as a sense of humor!

What's next? Nobody taking you seriously proves that you're on the right track?

[Max Challie]

This small feud could likely be solved by answering his question seriously..

[Izi]

Well articulation is Kev's major...nonsensical inapplicable bullshit is his minor. He attacks the person as much as possible without ever attacking the argument. He's the kind of chess player that knocks pieces off of the board when he losing. Kev's always had a nice polite way of calling me an asshole.


I have a son, he's one, he loves me, I'm special enough Kev.

My only wish would be that people would stop quoting these trolls since that is the only way I am reminded of their existence. Putting Kev and Kamber on ignore was the BEST thing I did on CA in 2010. Their opinions change from thread to thread so you will quickly figure out what they are up to. Their only opinions will be in opposition to people they think they can rile up - do not waste your breath on them.