Ramin's SketchBook

[raminafshari]

i did black boy drawing again but this time on pen and paper in 4 hours , please tell me what do you think

[raminafshari]

this is very old man drawing with pen and paper in 4 hours

[aks9]

hey raminafshari! ill try and give some constructive crits if I can!
you obviously took a long time on that sketch - I think that at this point, the best thing you can do is to first practice getting shapes and form right.

so for example, on this one, the main thing that is wrong is that each of the individual facial features (the eyes, the ears, mouth) don't line up properly. you took a lot of time to draw them carefully, but their basic position on the head is a little off. notice that the mans mouth is on the same horizontal line as the bottom of the ear, and the nose is slightly higher up. on your drawing, the nose is on the same level as the ear, and the mouth is a bit lower down. also, the mouth is almost as wide as the man's eyespan, whereas on your drawing his mouth goes off to the left.
so practice learning the anatomy of the head and face, and to be able to quickly see and know where the facial features should be and how they line up. personally I'm doing loomis and its helped me so far (tho im still an utter noob at this), find a book that seems helpful to you

also, as for the final rendering and value, try using some much darker colours in some areas, youll notice the photo has really high contrast and so the dark bits are really dark and the light bits are really light.

keep it up!

[andres333]

nice start i strongly encourage you to do some gesture studies

[Seraph Fawkes]

Yo there. First and main advice - don't start trying to do such complex things like faces or full body anatomy (here's lil's secret - even some superpro artist sometimes fail anatomy). So go to posemaniacs.com and try catch basic shapes, which make up more complex one (like here (i've googled it, not mine)

as you can see it's all about simple shapes and figures - squares, circles, spheres, cylinders etc. and how they position in space, considering perspective) Also keep in mind skeleton.

When you'll manage it, anatomy will be much easier.
Tip: whe you painting digitally constantly use "Mirror Horizontally" tool, and use real mirror, when drawing with pencils - this will help you notice if image skewed.

I guess it ok for beggining.
Cheers mate.

[sketchibo]

Great motivation! I'm going to go ahead and agree with Seraph Fawkes and say to work on general shapes/gesture/proportions. They dont need to be drawings that you spend alot of time on. At this point you can probably learn more from doing alot gesture drawings in 4 hours, rather than spending 4 hours on a single drawing.
I hope that made some kind of sense. Keep it up!

[raminafshari]

***answers to my page visitors***
thank you all for visiting my page

jskotte as you just told me I am trying to work a lot with pen and paper
Because it’s the basics, about Loomis Figure book i must say it’s in English and a bit hard for me to understand so I am trying other anatomy tutorials, by the way thanks for the link.

Eric-Anthony thanks for giving me courage, I am working on anatomy just like you told me.

aks9 you observation is very good thanks for check out my drawings; I am about to start and practice shapes and shading them to become master in that.

andres333 thanks for visiting my sketch book i will try gesture studies soon.

Seraph Fawkes thank you for your advice, i am going for that.

sketchibo thanks for your visit , i must say spending 4 hours on a single drawing is some ways wrong and i think i have taken your point and I am about to work on anatomy .

[raminafshari]

pencil and paper pose sketch's i draw them from human positions list, each pose under 5 min .

[raminafshari]

pencil and paper pose sketch's i draw them from human positions list, use pencil and paper , each pose under 5 min .

[raminafshari]

pencil and paper pose sketch's pencil and paper pose sketch's i draw them from human positions list, use pencil and paper , each pose under 5 min .

[raminafshari]

pencil and paper pose sketch's pencil and paper pose sketch's i draw them from human positions list, use pencil and paper , each pose under 5 min .

[rumpenstiltzkin]

hey there! i think you got a good start, keep doing those pose practices!
to me it always helps to do 30 or 90sec poses from posemaniac to warm and losen up a bit before going into 5/10+ mins or more serious drawing.
keep it up!

[The Sceptical Saint]

Nice work Raminafshari, already showing a bit of improvement. Keep this level of motivation up and your away laughing

[Vaejoun]

A technique I really like and brings some new ways of drawing is to never lift the pen from the paper after you made your first line.

Try to keep it loose to get the feeling for the overall figure .
Working with a brush can help too, so that you just go for the shape and props then any details.

[gmc9987]

Hey man, nice improvement. One thing I would suggest for your shorter dawings to to shorten the time on each one down a lot, there's a reason posemaniacs has a 30-second pose tool. Try doing a few where you never take your hand off the paper until the 30 seconds are up, and draw line that go across the form as well as your outlines, use the cross lines to catpure the volume and curve of the subject.

You're improving a lot, keep up the drawings!

[agrmrs]

very nice start mate ...... u r improving step by step ...... keep it up

[Samszym]

Nice work so far! What gmc9987 and vaejoun said are really good suggestions. I would add that when doing these exercises you should try to draw pose as a whole instead of drawing the individual parts of the body. Instead of drawing every individual part perfectly, just draw some shape in the first 5 seconds that describes the entire pose and spend the rest of the time refining it. Also you should try to find some photos of real people instead of working solely from posemaniacs. Characterdesigns.com seems to be a favorite of a lot of people here. And on a technical note, try to put all your images on one attachment manager so that you only have to make one post with four pictures instead of four posts with one.
Keep it up!

[corykanakis]

I like your style raminafshari

[yogeshj25]

yep yep. I can see you improving as u do more and more gestures. Anatomy will also greatly help in your gesture drawings because u will almost precisely know why each line is curving the way it is curving.

[raminafshari]

***answers to my page visitors***
thank you all for visiting my page

rumpenstiltzkin i will test your worm up before drawing.

The Sceptical Saint i will try my best.

Vaejoun i will try that but i think it’s hard for me to do that now but i think it will make my drawings cleaner and makes me stronger in drawing , thanks for visiting my sketchbook man.

gmc9987 i will go for that under 30sec drawing in posemaniacs but i also have a lot to learn so am some kind of trying to organize my steps , but I am sure i have to practice that too.

agrmrs i will try my best, some days i hoped i had more time like 48 hours per day and didn’t also being alone so no one disturb me at my work , i will come to visit your sketch book soon .

Vertical thanks for giving me courage, your right about managing my attachments i will keep that in mind i also work on those poses just like you told me.

corykanakis what exactly do you mean about my style? I mean what is my style? By the way thanks for visiting my page.

yogeshj25 you are right, because i almost precisely know why each line is curving the way it is curving I learned that that in all those poses each one getting better to understand that places of these lines and curves, I will try anatomy just like you told me.

[furiana]

Whoa, you're getting better fast!

[seetsy]

Hi bud, looks like your working hard that is good to see, i agree with what was said above if you are wanting to improve the figurative stuff, go for the basic shapes -learn to draw cylinders, boxes, spheres, in any direction and angle. You can start just drawing the shapes themselves, maybe practice cylinders by drawing a paint spray can, or deoderant can, or bottle.
Actually pretty much everything not just the figure can be broken down to these basic shapes, so once you confidently do this it will help alot. It is the building blocks of construction, which is a method used by comic/concept artists, as it allows you to consistently draw stuff out of your head that is solid and 3 dimensional. Also maybe pick up some loomis or villpu, bridgman books to help you get started on the right stuff. Keep going man

[Cranberry]

You've got the most important ingredient; MOTIVATION. That and practice, that's what you need to get good.

Now, when looking at your sketches the one thing that immediately stands out is the messed up proportions. When drawing, you have to start at one point, and compare that point to other things you draw.

As a basic example; You are drawing figures from posemaniacs and you're doing longer poses where you have time to measure things out. Draw the head first. Now, when putting down the entire figure (this is a light sketch to see where everything should go), look at the figure and check how many heads high the figure is. When you are drawing a chest, check how many times the head would fit in the chest, etc etc etc. That way, everything is in proportion and things wont look as strange as they do right now.

Something I would really suggest you read is "Drawing on the right side of the brain". I don't care if you download it, order it online, look for it where you live, whatever, just try to find it and use it, it will help you see things as they are instead of seeing things how you think they are.

Don't say you will work on basic shapes and then just not do it; JUST DO IT! Draw cubes, spheres, cylinders, everything, draw them till you can rotate them in every position in your head, then draw those positions. How well you will progress depends on how well you know your basic shapes, so work on them. They will become essential in constructing the human figure and everything you will ever draw!

Keep drawing!

[orochigenocide]

Hello there, raminafshari!

When doing gestures, the keys to keeping them loose is to draw quickly, draw with a continuous line/mark, and draw from the inside-out. Drawing from the inside-out will not only help you learn about the general shape of the figure, but it will also help you get quick information about the form and capture the body's natural "movement."

Here is an example of a gesture drawing: http://artfromintuition.files.wordpr...2/gesture5.jpg

And here you can read about the different types of gestures and how to do them: http://instruct.tri-c.edu/glaguar/gesture.html

Also, I think your portraits could benefit from some cross contour exercises. Cross contour is where you draw lines that follow the form and curvature of an object.

Here's an example of a cross contour: http://www.rebeccakimmel.com/gallery...rawing-002.jpg

Happy drawing, and good luck on your artistic journey.

[PNate]

Good to see you're working at this stuff, raminafshari. Someone might have already said this but I would suggest looking up figure drawing workshops or classes in your local area. Practicing working from life (as lots of people already mentioned) helps a lot. Keep it up

[Kamber Parrk]

Hey raminafshari,

Good work ethic!

My main advice for you at this point would be to practice some "comparitive measurement." (This involves using your thumb and pencil as a sighting tool to measure rough vertical and horizontal distances.)

Bert Dodson's Keys To Drawing should have a good academic description of this.

That way, you can get proportions [like on your wrinkly old man] locked in before you get too far along with rendering values on something that is a bit off in places.

[Ronpower]

Hey I really see progress from the first page to the next! Keep up the good work habits and I am sure you will go far!

Another tip I would give is to always start with simple shapes and work up. Or use construction lines to layout the figure.

[AChipps]

Anatomy is not a easy thing to do. A lot of studies will take you deeper than you will ever need to know, unless you plan on becoming a doctor. When drawing think of people being a little more solid. Muscles moving only changes shading on the surface. They bent at joints, so what will help is to be able to draw basic shape joined with circles for joint regions, that has a standard length and size. Something that will make it look right, like the thigh and the shin are the same length, the foot might be half that length, and you can measure everything, and see how you compare the sizes with each other so each part is equal to something you also draw. I like to add that every part of the body effects the size of other parts, so if you have short legs you will have short arms as long as there is a normal growth. When you have short arms you will have a wide chest. The reason would come from an overall measurement. If you spread your arms out, from fingertip to finger tip would be your height. If you arms are long you chest would be narrow. I measured a tailor fit for a vest, starting at the small of the back to the back of the neck. I measured a lot of people of different sizes and it looked like everyone was 41 inches. Your eyes can see people and look at other things to imagine their size like a doorway is something a standard size, because you can not look at a person and say the are the wrong size. They have proportions, but with most backbones being the same height someone really good can look at the design of a person with normal growth and say they are 5'2'', 5'8" or what ever so there are things that don't change, but not many, heads may seem to be the same size because glasses has just a few different sizes. So you can learn from someone else that did all this years ago and take their word for it or make your own studies. Meanwhile draw other things. it looks like you need to practice on the proportions of simple shapes. Develop your ability to match the shapes you see. Take on easier man made shapes. When you are ready for people check out DC Comics or draw people without muscles for a start.

[vayne108]

good start with the practices you already have going on. I can tell you are working hard just keep up with that detention and practice and you will go far !!

BTW, check out this thread of rookie that has gone though great impovement. It was great inspiration for me and for you too.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=870 .

[Black Spot]

That last one is much better. it doesn't matter what you use as long as you keep drawing. Try a few still lives as they will improve your form.