Anatomy Study

[Christian223]

Study the posts from bottom to top from this site: http://analyticalfiguresp08.blogspot...&max-results=7

We will start memorizing this one: http://bp2.blogger.com/_ctnBmTVj5x8/...4+-+Demo+2.jpg

And we'll cover all the rest of the body each part at a time until we have memorized all the body parts from those pages.

Here is how we'll do it, study the first post from here: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=177756 and try to memorize the head from above using that method. Post everything you have done and what you have learned, I'll do the same and we'll critique eachother.

That's it, anyone can participate, post as soon as you have it and we'll move on to the next body part when you have memorized the image completely.

[Christian223]

Ok, I think it will help you to try to analize my drawings and search for errors in proportion and measurement, this will train you to see mistakes on your own drawings and also to see the correct proportions in your imagination. So, download my sketch and draw on top of it with a red brush the correct proportions.

[Christian223]

I'm going to post the other studies I did, take your time, no worries.

[Saraiva]

Hey! I am interested in joining! just wanted to post so you dont get discouraged. I will post some stuff tomorrow when I have time to draw a bit! =)

[Christian223]

Great, thx for writing, take your time though, the important thing is to make the excersices well, otherwise you just won't learn much.

[Alessandro]

I'd like to join, can I?

[Christian223]

Sure, anyone can join, just go ahead and do the excersize, everyone can critique too .

[SweetPea]

hey i was hoping someone would come up with something like this! I tried to find an anatomical mentor, but nobody volunteered haha Ill start the excercise tomorrow! maybe even tonight =) Thanks!

[surfandsnow]

Nice to see you being proactive once again and starting some group work in the mentouring section. Thanks for the link to kchens blog too, I think I may seen it before it seams familiar, but its much more organized than his other sets of notes anyway.

Ron Lemon has some notes on figure drawing too, http://ronlemen.blogspot.com/ .

[Christian223]

Thanks for the link. It seems that you are an advanced student too, so I'll give you some tip based on that study you did since I think that's what you want to do instead of my first excersize.

There are some really good heads there, but other look kind of weird, right?, whenever that happens, in my experience, the best thing to do to make the study worthwhile is to get reference that closely matches what you tried to do, or better yet, base your study on reference (it is hard to find something that matches what you allready done), and compare what you did with that, find the differences, correct proportions and lines, that way you'll learn more, correcting your mistakes from a correct source.

In this link there are some faces with angles like yours, try to correct those heads wich do not look so correct: http://www.characterdesigns.com/inde...page=tutorials

[surfandsnow]

cool, some of them I hadn't tried to correct yet so I picked too and tried to fix them. I also did a couple ref copies of similar view afterwords, and a few more heads.

[Christian223]

All right, remember the important thing is to memorize the things you correct so you don't make the same mistake again. That's why is important to focus on one thing at a time so to avoid overwhelming your mind. There is a saying "If you chase two rabits, they both turn against and kill you", or at least that's my version, the original one says "you'll loose both"...

Here are the things I see you need to do with this faces, correct the side of the face on the one at the right-middle of the page. Check where the back of the head ends too on that one.
You tend to make the noses small, make the bigger so the bridge of the nose has more angle.

Keep it up the learning process, it's hard, but we have to push forward to advance

[Christian223]

Here is a sketch/study, I used no reference to do the first one, and then I tried to study how to do it correctly using reference. It's easy to see the badly done things that way. This time I studied more froom Loomis at http://fineart.sk/

[Christian223]

Studies from Loomis, Bammes and more people.

II think it helps to evaluate your study time after it is done so you can correct the way to study.

The way I do it is just mentally think of the things I have succesfully memorized this time, which are: cygomatic bone from side vide and 3d view, pelvis shape and pelvis muscles, eyebrow bone shape and forehead shape, these aren't very descriptive, but at least point that I did learn what I consider a good amount of knowledge, some other times I don't do It so good and need to find out what things I did wrong that prevented me from learning, and find ways to correct that for my next study time.

[Wanna]

Hey Christian, i'll try to join this. I just read your thread about how to study effectively and funnily enough i started worked as such yesterday evening after seeing Kingkostas work.

[Nothuzad]

Hello =>
I also am trying to join the line with anatomy study =>
And thanks a lot for this thread.

[Christian223]

You are welcome, I look forward to see your progress

[surfandsnow]

ok, did a photo study. I know the eyes arent perfect, but I dont want to wind up burning time on it. I'll try doing a couple medium renders from my imagination next.

@ Christian223 - I'll have to remember to push out the base of the nose a little more using the depth axes of the cube. I think you could try doing a larger amount of heads in a variety of different perspective just to help get more used to drawing the head.

[Christian223]

Great!, nice study, what did you learn from it?.

I have no critiques on that one, except that I think you could add another higher range of value for the reflections of the light, but If the photo does not have them, then I guess It wouldn't be a photo study anymore, right?.

I'll make some heads as you suggested and post them here soon.

[Christian223]

This study was from imagination, no reference used so I can know what things I am missing in my memory.

What I learned from it is that I still somehow tend to not use values that are very close to black or white, somehow when I paint I think those values shouln't be there so I change them immediately, somehow I have to push myself not to do that that next time.

The other thing I learned is that I am obviously missing some things since I aimed for something realistic but I ended up with this. It's not too bad, but It's missing realism, so, what I think I should do is start to study from photos and do small value studies of each feature, hopefully with that I'll achieve the realism I seek.

The other thing, I forgot to think about the ambient light, so I could not apply the correct values on the shadowed areas. I must not forget about the ambient light next time.

Critiques welcome.

UPDATE:

I figured out why I do not push the values more, it is because of value contrast. For example, in this one I used a very dark value for the light, so If I tried to put a very high value for highlights then the contrast between that value and the light values was quite high, and that bothers me somehow, it makes the highlight jump to much to the viewer I think.

[Nothuzad]

here some bone studies of mine (includes movment idea and stuff )
hope it isn't too bad =x

sry that it is so big, I allready scaled them 1000px down =x

PS: sized it once more down because they were too big - sorry

[Christian223]

Those are very nice drawings, you did a good job with the lines, they are very clean too.

Try giving them a size around 600px, that would be better I think.

Remember that the important thing about study is memorization of new information. It is hard to memorize very complex things, like an entire arm. So, for the purpose of memorizing things it is always better to simplify form and try to memorize it part by part, bit by bit, that way it will be easier and faster.

Also, try applying the method I talk about in the link of the first post, it will be much easier for you to learn that way. Actually, it's hard, but I have not found a better method to actually memorize and learn. Just try to do the same thing you have drawn here but from memory and you will see how much you have actually learned, you will see if it's a good method for learning or not.

So, my advice is to change your method of study, and focus on one thing at a time, simplify forms, and study for memorization in mind. Keep it up.

[Nothuzad]

Thanks for the quick reply and the advices I'll try to use them for the next studies.

With the method you talk about you mean: drawing a square and drawing the positions of the nose, eyes and forhead/root of the nose?

[Christian223]

The method I talk about is the one on the first post here: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=177756
It is a method to memorize anything, not only anatomy.

[Wanna]

Christian, how do you go about studying the torso bit by bit? The example of the face is quite obvious, but it's arder with the rest of the body :s

[Christian223]

Everything can be divided in parts or smaller forms. The torso and all it's parts can be simplified too, taking away all it's details but keeping their proportion and placement, making it easier to memorize. Check this link for examples on how to simplify the torso http://analyticalfiguresp08.blogspot...&max-results=7

For example with the torso, you can memorize the shape of the muscles of the chest, then the muscles of the stomach, one at a time, the muscles of the side of the stomach, the muscles on the back and so on, each per separate.

You can also study all of them at once but in a more simplified manner, without details, so you can memorize their proportions, relationships with the other shapes, and placement.

The torso is linked with the neck, shoulders and pelvis, so you will naturally move to that once you get a good understanding of the general forms of the torso alone. At last you can move to detailed study of the muscles, to put on top of what you already know.

It is all about making it easier for you to memorize, so to do that, you must take away the details, simplify the forms, and study something in parts. "Experiment with different ways to simplify form" that's a quote from one of the studies in the link above.

[Wanna]

Hm ok thanks Chris. I'll start posting within the days to come

[Christian223]

What I learned from the reference copy: a few details on the eyes make a huge difference. And I also need to measure more, I did this one very quickly without much though on measuring. Later I had to correct many things and that took some time, I should have saved time by doing it right at the first attempt.

What I learned from the imagination: I still need to practice drawing the eyes in perspective. The nose also seems to give me problems.

[Christian223]

Here is a study of eyes. I got some pictures of people (with eyes), some pictures skulls from different angles, Bammes skulls (much better than Loomis Skulls IMHO, since they are more three dimensionally accurate, easier to understand) and Loomis eyes, and I tried to understand more the planes of the check bones, eyebrows and eye socket so to understand the proportion and how the eye fit there.

After I got a somewhat better understanding of how the eye fits there and the three dimensional planes of that area, I tried to put the eye there from imagination. Then I got some eyes from Loomis and started to study how the eye are. Then after the study I tried it again from imagination, and it seems I am already drawing them differently.

[Christian223]

Some studies of arms. I learned how the arms looks from the side, and those muscles which I do not know their names. I feel I need to get a better tridimensional reference, specially the elbow, it is hard to understand the shapes of that area.