Anime

[SigonWulf]

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Tada

You'll find a lot of people reuse scenes like this. Stock footage is the correct term I believe. On one hand it makes it easier. Maybe on another it's paying homage or showing similarities between characters. I really don't know. I was not apart of any of those teams when that decision was made.

You'll also find that the "east" and "west" share the same faults in animation.

OP: Your buddy is expressing his opinion when he says he hates anime. It happens. We all express our opinions when we start off with I hate or I like. We also very commonly contradict ourselves. Its completely natural for you to get defensive about something you like.

As for everyone else, RELAX. Go watch a movie or read something. And don't be so uptight about things.

[ChristmasBunneh]

u make no sense, how about u say real life actors are running out of steam because u dont like the movies uve seen?

its a medium, and ur personal opinion doesn't mean it ran out of steam for christ sake. ur bored of it because its all for kids, doesn't mean 3d sucks at all, look at any scifi movie it all has 3d in it. district 9?

i hate when people hate broad things, and make zero sense

Sigh, you're definitely reading more out of what I said than what I really said.

I can really like a movie even if it's 3D, I would just be more interested in seeing some mainstream 2D from the west again once in a while. Variety is good.

And as another thing entirely 3D productions and movies using 3D special effects are two different things imo. And actually I would probably be bored if every Hollywood flick used massive amounts of CGI.

[Sir Cam]

To the original poster, you should have your friend take a look at the art in Berserk or Vagabond. The artwork featured in those two is some of the best in the the genre. Seriously.

[J.R.Hollis]

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Tada

You'll find a lot of people reuse scenes like this. Stock footage is the correct term I believe. On one hand it makes it easier. Maybe on another it's paying homage or showing similarities between characters. I really don't know. I was not apart of any of those teams when that decision was made.

You'll also find that the "east" and "west" share the same faults in animation.

OP: Your buddy is expressing his opinion when he says he hates anime. It happens. We all express our opinions when we start off with I hate or I like. We also very commonly contradict ourselves. Its completely natural for you to get defensive about something you like.

As for everyone else, RELAX. Go watch a movie or read something. And don't be so uptight about things.

How do they do that? Do they draw it exactly the same every frame or is there some kind of...I don't know, plastic overcast paper thing and they draw the character on that over cast?

[SigonWulf]

I have no idea. I just know it involves a computer in some way.

Here's one that's real fun. Anyone ever watching Cowboy Bebop and/or Lucky Star?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj2myip5gDc

[Alex Chow]

How do they do that? Do they draw it exactly the same every frame or is there some kind of...I don't know, plastic overcast paper thing and they draw the character on that over cast?

Considering how there are differences between the two even though they look almost identical, it probably wouldn't be a "tracing" of any kind. It's just the gestures/action and shots are being "referenced", so to speak. It's still pretty bad practice since most of the challenge comes from the action and shots...

Anime has a bad reputation with people only because of some of the lunatic fans who mix Japanese and English in everyday speech and the shows TV networks here tend to show are not necessarily the best representations of the style (see: 4Kids dubs). It's very easy for the average dude, who knows nothing to little about Anime, to go "I hate Anime" because these two reasons can make anybody sound "cool" saying it. It doesn't really help that the style is a massive hit (see: Deviantart) and you know how awesome it is to hate on popular things, haha.

Show them Berserk, Vagabond, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop, and other great examples and it wouldn't be as easy because, as with any other thing in our universe, only a handful are good.

99% of all things are crap. It doesn't matter if it's 3D, 2D, European, American, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Antarctican... Just watch/read, learn from, and cherish the 1% that is good.

[Magnatude]

Wow, there are a lot of um, "unusual" comments here.

My Favorite anime Series is Samurai 7, an oldie but goodie.


I've been involved with cel animation way back in 84/85, it was a tedious process back then, ate a lot of chocolate covered coffee beans and seen a lot of sun-rises out of the studio window.
I do both 3D and 2D animation, tho I prefer to do 3D as one-off rendered Illustrations (it consumes mega-hours to render 3D animation) I'm heavily influenced by another old Anime (Starblazers/Space Battlecruiser Yamato).

Some of these comments here are really based on ignorance.

As for your friend there Flopjack, there is no point in forcing him to chew on something he doesnt want to eat. Everyone is different, just accept it.

[Zetsubun]

I think that the point of this post is not to nitpick the idea that their friend holds this opinion but that this is often the ideal held by many professionals -not that they simply dislike the style but that they dismiss the style entirely by deciding that it's not art at all. That it's merely copying 'someone else's style' . This is all very well and fine for someone to assume on an individual basis, but the problem is that professionals in the field seem to have absorbed the idea through osmosis without even knowing what they're talking about. It becomes a problem when a naive assumption becomes the popular opinion.

I had a teacher in high school who literally nearly killed my passion for art by trying to convince me that anime wasn't art, that it was just copying someone else's style. Even then I knew that I needed to branch out and get serious about my art if I ever wanted to make a career of it, and I understand now that understanding realism is the foundation for the successful stylization of art like anime, but completely dismissing someone's chosen stylization as not being art at all is not the way to encourage them to flesh out their art.

There are a shit ton of art teachers on the lower levels that come at it from that approach, and that is a problem. Anime is just the popular style among the younger generation right now, and like it or not a lot of great artists get their start from it. Who can even fathom a guess at how many prospective young artists with wonderful potential have been shot down prematurely due to this mindset?

[Zetsubun]

I think that the point of this post is not to nitpick the idea that their friend holds this opinion but that this is often the ideal held by many professionals -not that they simply dislike the style but that they dismiss the style entirely by deciding that it's not art at all. That it's merely copying 'someone else's style' . This is all very well and fine for someone to assume on an individual basis. People are entitled to be ignorant. But the problem is that professionals in the field seem to have absorbed the idea through osmosis without even knowing what they're talking about.

It becomes a problem when a naive assumption becomes the popular opinion.

I had a teacher in high school who literally nearly killed my passion for art by trying to convince me that anime wasn't art, that it was just copying someone else's style. Even then I knew that I needed to branch out and get serious about my art if I ever wanted to make a career of it, and I understand now that understanding realism is the foundation for the successful stylization of art like anime, but completely dismissing someone's chosen stylization -their passion- as not being art at all is not the way to encourage them to flesh out their art.

There are a shit ton of art teachers on the lower levels that come at it from that approach, and that is a problem. Anime is just the popular style among the younger generation right now, and like it or not a lot of great artists get their start from it. The only way I managed to escape my teacher's negative influence is because I'm almost faultidly stubborn and her discouragement just made me dig my claws in even deeper. (Unfortunately this also meant that it took me several more years to realize that realism wasn't the enemy and that I needed to understand it in order to understand how to stylize something correctly. But...hey. I'm just thankful I even got past her without losing my passion. ) Who can even fathom a guess at how many prospective young artists with wonderful potential have been shot down prematurely due to this mindset?

[Kharnaghe]

I like both. There are some anime's I dislike and there are some comics I dislike. I only go for quality stuff; that is, I read comics because of the art, as well as manga, and story a close second. I want my comics and mange to look stunning so that, when I do reach a boring part, at least the visuals will keep me entertained. However, rarely, there are some stories that I read and I'm just blown away, like civil war for example. Civil war got me into comics.

Actually, I'd have to agree with some of the previous posters; one of the main things that push me away from anime isn't anime itself, since I grew up on the stuff, but the people that watch it, that being all of my friends. I also hate that all of my friends dislike north American animation and have a blatant bias for Japanese animation simply because they are unwilling to experience anything else.

[FranciscoShreds]

man, you guys have time on your hands...

[Xeon_OND]

From Zetsubun:

I had a teacher in high school who literally nearly killed my passion for art by trying to convince me that anime wasn't art.

You should have tried to convince your teacher that abstract art isn't art. LOL

[GatoGirl12345]

Actually, this is pretty standard what's happening to you and your friend.

As for an Anime fan, they will see the genres, the differences, the development, etc. However, people outside the fanbase will consider it all the same.

This is the same with tons of other fanbases. We take American Comics...someone in the fanbase will recognize the style, the genres, differences, etc, but someone outside (like myself in this case) could recognize and group things and call it the same thing. (Although, I know this is not the case, now.)

Take Photographers...other people who involves themselves into photography will recognize the certain style of the photographers and see the fact that there is a signature in taking the picture. However, outside of the fanbase may just see it just as pictures and just group them together as one.

Of course, their opinion is from the very little that they see.

Also you have to admit...the more people run away from something, the more they'll be haunted by it. Back in deviantArt, there are a lot of people that draw anime there but it's photography their biggest gallery.

I do agree the fact that Anime and Manga is really Japanese Animation, Comics and Graphic Novels. The bases of Anime is the same bases in learning animation and cartooning so I really think it should be considered part of art. I also consider cartooning and animation part of art as well.