DA officially does critique now.

[Psychotime]

I could link to it, if someone wants to revive it, although I imagine, the admin might see it now as a form of protest...

Go for it!

[Brashen]

I once gave a crit to this girl about why her pose looks absurdly wrong....She said I have no idea what I'm talking about and that she had a model pose for her. I looked at the picture again and replied......you know Sephiroth?

[N D Hill]

You know, as much as I like to rag on DA for being a being a huge compost heap of lowest common denominator crap (with a few rare diamonds in it), I also have to acknowledge that it never claims to be anything else. Forums like conceptart.org and characterdesign.com have a very clear professional and educational focus. It's a tone that we choose to maintain because the founders have a very clear vision of the kind of resource they'd like to provide and most members have a clear idea of what they'd like to gain from participating here. DA makes no such assumptions. We really don't have a right to expect anyone there to be capable of giving a good, considered crit let alone be mature enough to take one. It's a vacuous environment. I really don't see how it's worthy of even negative attention. Yeah, it's bastion of bad taste, unoriginality and poor skill, but so is the real world.

...Now, the second their members come over here expecting the same treatment... Well, then they're fair game.

[Kiera]

I am getting messages of critiques on pictures that I don't know from artists that I don't know.. what?

When the crit thing will be public, I am awaiting the DA critique elite and a lot of funny drama and bawwing.. is there a popcorn smiley?

[OmenSpirits]

Yes. Draw an anime still life. If the kids can't handle doing work they don't want in order to further themselves then fuckkkk em!


and yea, paying to give crits is hilarious

you sir, have spoken the gospel.

[Grief]

bottom line: i want to see better art. if people get the know-how needed from subscribing to this on da, then so be it. i really hope those artists who spend their money get the advice to help them grow as artists. while i may not agree with deviantart on a number of topics, i am glad they are acknowledging the opportunity they can potentially provide on their website to offer such an experience as artists for their users. it is a shame they are charging for this service, but in time perhaps things may change.

i personaly offer to provide anyone an honest critique of their work through conceptart, whether in the critique center or not, should they send a private message to me requesting one.

[Kagemusha22]

Is this a joke? I mean, it's a little late for April Fools... How exactly do they plan on enforcing this? Do you get banned for giving a crit to someone without a premium account?

Probably knowing DeviantArt. I got perma-banned for telling someone who had a pretty offensive signature, that maybe they should reconsider it. (In case they caused more offense, and grief for other users) They flagged my comment as spam, I was banned in about 5 days.

That's just how DA rolls, you only have free-speech on your own profile page if you disagree with someone on their page they can get you banned for breaking the peace.

[DIMAGYAN]

why everyone compare conceptart with deviantart? as i see it, they are two diferent kind of sites trageting diferent users and visitors.

the curious thing is that i read about DA when i joined CA...there was a lot of threads about that site poping quite regular in here.

[Psychotime]

why everyone compare conceptart with deviantart?

Tell us who's doing that so we can harm them. And by "we", I mean everyone else.

[Arshes Nei]

So umm...it's another bitch about DA thread right? Nothing new. I guess CA is a good place to bitch about DA instead of not using it and keep using CA if you find it so offensive.

[Zweit]

Apparently they just got rid of the "crits welcomed/encouraged/not wanted" check box, and replaced it with a box that allows premium members to write crits in. But you need to be a premium member to get the box under your art in the first place.

¯\(°_o)/¯

[Aaron Death]

Those DA kids are amateurs. They don't want to be artists. They just do art to have fun. What's wrong with that. There are plenty of amateurish people who don't care about professionalism or whatever, they don't even want to improve, they just want to have to some fun.

I think the mistake of DA is try to have both amateurish and professional elements in them. So a lot of people who honestly try to improve are misled.

It should be named, "the ultimate amateur artists' anime site". Oops.

[OldJake666]

Some of the photographers on DA are absolutely brilliant. And many of the other artists as well. Most of you seem to forget that a huge majority of CA users also maintain a DA gallery for promotional purposes.

[Bushido]

I think this topic is going on a bad direction.

(I saw before this battles about DA, never a happy end...)

I better go draw... or paint

[Crane]

Yes, but do keep the context in mind. Sure, master manga artists went through a lot of traditional schooling to get where they are. This tyke isn't interested in that route, so what now?

Improvise. Telling him to go the traditional route is likely to leave him disinterested. Thus the only logical option would be to adopt the traditional store of information to the situation. Here is where I think the "whats" become important:

What's the lesson to be learned from still life?
It sure as hell isn't how to become a master apple illustrator. No, it's something else. What? You answer that, and you can adapt the knowledge to the times. The kid doesn't need to draw apples anymore, he can learn the "what" by drawing something RELEVANT to his interests. This is monumentally important, because it keeps the student interested.

The point is that whether its traditional schooling or completely self taught it ends up exactly the same thing, if they want to get anywhere they need to know what every professional artist has used every single bit of their time to learn and learn until they can recite it front to back, back to front, left to right, right to left and upside down in their sleep without any help at all.

It doesn't matter whether they are interested in some parts, hell nearly every serious artist gets bored sometimes while doing studies or color theory, even if its only for a moment. its like having a job, i find my job so damn boring but i don't quit because it is important to have, what matters is that i am able to pay my bills at the end of the month, keep a roof over my head and food in my stomach, what i'm saying if your not willing to suffer for what you love, you don't deserve to do it at all.

[Max Challie]

yeah.. I'm with Noel. Leave it alone, in my case with a closing line.. "sad", or something.

[Rist]

isn't that what college is for?

no, not really.

btw some of the comments on this thread are petty and elitist.

[Jason Rainville]

I think this topic is going on a bad direction.

(I saw before this battles about DA, never a happy end...)

I better go draw... or paint

I don't think the majority of us are cursing DA users, as the topic suggests we're cursing the management at DA. I just don't like kids being lead to think that these types of features can help you in any way.

[TASmith]

Plus, imagine the situation where a students sends a message to a really good professional artist on that site, asking for a crit. Normally, the person would comment if he had time and interest. Now, you might get messages like, "You don't have a premium account, i only crit premium members for my fair crit rating." etc. You never know.

[l33t fl33t]

The point is that whether its traditional schooling or completely self taught it ends up exactly the same thing, if they want to get anywhere they need to know what every professional artist has used every single bit of their time to learn and learn until they can recite it front to back, back to front, left to right, right to left and upside down in their sleep without any help at all.

Absolutely. However...

It doesn't matter whether they are interested in some parts, hell nearly every serious artist gets bored sometimes while doing studies or color theory, even if its only for a moment. its like having a job, i find my job so damn boring but i don't quit because it is important to have, what matters is that i am able to pay my bills at the end of the month, keep a roof over my head and food in my stomach, what i'm saying if your not willing to suffer for what you love, you don't deserve to do it at all.

You're forgetting that your reasons for doing art are radically different. It's a matter of motivation - they do it because they find it fun, you do it because it pays the bills. Your approach would we completely unsuited to their particular case.

As for "if you're not willing to suffer for it, you don't deserve to do it", I think that's more of an attempt at rationalizing another issue - "ie, if I suffered to get where I am today, it'd be unfair if others didn't suffer as well", in which case, I disagree - I believe art can be a leisure activity and something you can enjoy without suffering (and should, IMHO).

[DIMAGYAN]

Tell us who's doing that so we can harm them. And by "we", I mean everyone else.

well, maybe the word i should use before was some....or sometimes.
but to be honest in all this kind of threads about DA that form time to time keep poping on CA, there is an implicit(sometimes explicit) comparison between the two sites.
in any case to me is really peculiar

edit:i'm not exactly talking about the op topic but more about the discussion that came after

[Zweit]

It's not elitist to poke fun at DA. Like N D Hill said, it doesn't take itself seriously so why should anyone else? It's like getting your feelings hurt when someone makes fun of your favorite clown.

And I do in fact have an active DA account myself. I'm not afraid to laugh myself silly at some of the shit you find there, though.


I mean come on!

[Brashen]

Aye I use DA for the publicity....but now I link to my CA gallery ....thanks be to Jason and the others.

[Psychotime]

I mean come on!

Good lord. That's got to be a joke. That entire account HAS to be just a joke.

EDIT: Pun not intended.

[Dorkthrone]

Good lord. That's got to be a joke. That entire account HAS to be just a joke.

EDIT: Pun not intended.

It's either a joke, the greatest troll of all time, or completely serious.

[l33t fl33t]

I mean come on!

OH...MY...GOD. It's stuff like that that make a man feel satisfaction, wisdom and proof of sanity for being an atheist.

Seriously, here's a third (fourth?) opinion - somebody is trying to nab a couple of new sheep for the Church via Naruto.

EDIT:

Oh, and lets not forget this.

[CGMonkey]

But-but I thought it was all about asspats and buttkissing? Many rages will be had from snapesnoggers.


And the fact that you gotta PAYYYYYYY to be able to both give and recieve critique is laughable, but I didn't expect more from DA to be honest.

Hmmmm... I took a peek at your previous posts, I arrived at January 2009 and didn't see ONE critique or constructive comment. The jungle of asspatting and buttkissing you've displayed are admirable, but it does make you a hypocrite.

[Crane]

Absolutely. However...



You're forgetting that your reasons for doing art are radically different. It's a matter of motivation - they do it because they find it fun, you do it because it pays the bills. Your approach would we completely unsuited to their particular case.

As for "if you're not willing to suffer for it, you don't deserve to do it", I think that's more of an attempt at rationalizing another issue - "ie, if I suffered to get where I am today, it'd be unfair if others didn't suffer as well", in which case, I disagree - I believe art can be a leisure activity and something you can enjoy without suffering (and should, IMHO).

I said that i do my job to get paid not my art. If you treat your passion as work then you will lose the passion and work will be all thats left.

I do my art for fun too, while i would love to be able to live off the money i make from my art, its purely for fun 1st and foremost, i do want a career in art and i will get there someday.

I want people to have fun doing there art, i rushed my answer so it came out a little wrong, what i mean is people who say they want to be the best in whatever field they choose but aern't willing to work hard for it, who just dismiss crits from people who know what they are talking about, and then go as far as to actually they that the professionals are wrong and are stupid while they are right. its like someone saying they can't get a girlfriend/boyfriend but won't even go and attempt to talk to whoever they like, so basicly its all whinging and no action. I would just like to see all these people who want to get somewhere back it up with some hard work and an open mind. and maybe suffer is a little harsh but you can get my drift.

[LORD M]

Hmmmm... I took a peek at your previous posts, I arrived at January 2009 and didn't see ONE critique or constructive comment. The jungle of asspatting and buttkissing you've displayed are admirable, but it does make you a hypocrite.

Might be so, but I try and give critique and constructive comments when I can - the problem is I am not so good at giving it as most people here - but atleast I try when I can. But I think I have critiqued and so a bit now and then, according to my memory. It's just that I feel out of my league on this site, and that maybe holds me back from giving it more then I would. Gotta get better on that.

But hey c'mon, you know what I meant when I said asspattings and buttkissings when I mentioned snapesnogger. I meant people that acted like her on deviantart.

[Craig D]

DA is just as cool and useful as CA.

as usefull as CA??

I think there's nothing wrong with DA and all such threads as these
should prob just be locked when they hit pg2.

but I think "as usefull as CA" is a lot misguided