Painter 11 reaction

[fes]

Oops you said you did. (Disable it) when I disabled it, I did notice the performance boost for me.

Yup. A bit of a performance boost for me too.

[teho]

thanks mates for looking into that problem too! actually i tried everything, but nothing worked for me.
fes, i tried your advice, no luck either.
and besides that i found some issues too, for example new pencils, like real 2b pencil if you sketch fast, the cursor freezes till you stop move styles... it's the second biggest disappointment...

[sandman]

The Wacom forum has been up and running for several months - Oct/Nov last year.

Thanks for the info. Joe. I had given up looking until today, thinking the loss had become permanent.

David

[joeparis]

Yeah, I thought it was dead and buried too. Hopefully the resurrection means they don't expect a barrage of complaints.

[fes]

That's a bummer Teho. I was looking to upgrading my system to Vista 64 later in the year... so hope it's not a common fault.

[m.c.miller]

I installed the trial and am also getting random dabs with the artists oils.

I have also noticed that with many brushes when painting fast some strokes get 'stuck' and the cursor does not move for the entire stroke and nothing is drawn.

I am also having strange issues with color management. The default profile is srgb with no black point compensation which results in very dull gray black. I am not sure why this is the case since the system profile is srgb as well and there should be no difference in black point. Switching the default painter profile to a normal srgb profile fixes this. You might want to try switching off color management in painter with the little icon to make sure this isn't happening to you or else everything will have way more contrast than seen in painter. I am in Vista though and painter uses wcs so strangeness is to be expected.

The only new thing that seems useful to me in this version is the cleaner zoomed out views. I am a fan of smeary oil style painting and I am honestly starting to use artrage more than painter.

[teho]

fes, actually i moved a month ago to the vista 64 bit. and i want to say it is awesome, huge jump in speed and overall performance. i'm so happy with it and painter 11 - the first problem i ever had. all software (for 32 bit too), games, drivers are working like a charm, didn't had any problems till now. and i want to say, painter 10 don't have ANY problems on my OS and those artists' oils are working perfect.

m.c.miller, well i have exactly the same get 'stuck' lag.

[Runique]

I've installed the Painter 11 trial as I'm trying to decide if to upgrade from IX.5. But I'm getting the missed stroke / dab bug with pretty much all brush variants. With brushes like acrylics, pencils, pastels, charcoal etc it manifests as a totally missed stroke. With artists oils it manifests as a missed stroke plus a small dab that appears some way off of the stroke (usually above and to the left of where the real stroke was laid down).

This bug seems to come every 6 to 12 strokes for me, sometimes at larger intervals, but it never goes away.

Toggling brush ghosting on and off makes no difference, nor does customizing brush tracking in preferences. I have tried both Wacom's 6.10 and 6.08 drivers, both have the same problem. Needless to say, Painter IX.5 doesn't.

This is a really irritating bug - painting with regularly missing strokes is a complete show stopper for me and there's no point upgrading unless it gets fixed. How could they miss this in testing?

My system:
Vista 64 Home Premium, 8GB ram, Q6600 CPU, Wacom Intuous 3 A5 Wide (with latest drivers).

[Arshes Nei]

I tried it again on my laptop, with my other intuos3 tablet. I even tried to emulate the way teho was doing the strokes per the youtube video. I have had no problem.

My brush orientation is set over to the right a bit since I'm left handed. I also tried something else, like having firefox open in the background. (I didn't have any other browser this morning with my larger tablet than Google Chrome Open) I did notice a bit of a "stall" at one point but it was very minor, but no dabs showing up at the default size

I left it at size 38

When I was at brush size 150 I get dab gremlins. It only happened once when I lowered the brush size to 85 but when I lifted the pen and tried again I didn't have this problem. I also noticed this dab gremlin shows up when I am brushing opposite of the direction of my handedness orientation. Ie stroking from left to right going down diagonally. I'd stroke more to the right then to the left with the brush orientation doesn't show up it seems.

I'm using Wacom Driver 6.1.0-6
Double Click Distance is set to the center for the grip pen
Tilt sensitivity is at normal
Tip feel is right in the middle

Brush Tracking In Painter
Velocity Scale 2.68
Velocity Power 1.37
Pressure Scale 0.60
Pressure Power 3.92

Document size I'm testing this on
2000x2000
300dpi

System has 2gb or Ram
Lenovo Duo Core 1.6ghz
XP SP 3

Oh btw, I shut down firefox and tried using the same brush size at 150 and didn't get the problem.

[Meli Hitchcock]

I've only played with the new version for just a little bit, but so far I'm not getting any stutters or brush weirdness that others seem to be getting either. But that was on my work PC, I have yet to try it out on my home computer or laptop.

FYI, If any of you are subscribers at deviantART, you can get a 15% discount on your purchase.

[fes]

I wonder if that damn missing stroke/is anything to do with the Wacom driver. What driver version are you using Arshes Nei?

I have no problem with dabs or missing strokes on the Cintiq (or my tablet PC) but whatever pc I plug an Intuos3 in the dabs/strokes missing issues crop up in Painter 11.

[ryders]

I had the driver setup to mouse mode as I have 2 monitors, when I switched it to pen mode locked to a single monitor (the one painter was running on), the bug went away. But I was getting long lines streaking across the painting, instead of the random dots... This was under xp64.

[Arshes Nei]

I wonder if that damn missing stroke/is anything to do with the Wacom driver. What driver version are you using Arshes Nei?

I have no problem with dabs or missing strokes on the Cintiq (or my tablet PC) but whatever pc I plug an Intuos3 in the dabs/strokes missing issues crop up in Painter 11.

I'm using the RC candidate 6.1.0-6

I was starting to suspect the driver too. I always have some kind of issue with Wacom's RC drivers. The last one I used that was an RC it wouldn't remember the orientation preferences for my 4x6 (I have to flip it because I'm left handed)

I'm thinking of rolling it back a version to see if it helps but I don't want my hotkeys to get wiped.

Also my tablet is under pen mode as it is, and only have a handedness setting, so the error still shows up.

Wonder if Standard or Recognition data will change things. I'll check later. <--- That actually might be it. I noticed the dabs went away in standard mode and no jumps. I can't say for certain but I noticed an immediate performance improvement.

[joeparis]

I wonder if Standard or Recognition data will change things.

I wanted that to be the solution but no deal I'm afraid - still there.

[teho]

Arshes Nei, what is 'Standard or Recognition data'? what do you mean?
i tried different drivers, no luck.

[sandman]

teho, Standard Mode and Recognition Data are Wacom Tablet Mode options accessed from the Wacom control panel. For the Cintiq, the Tablet Mode dialog is accessed by double clicking the Tablet icon in the Wacom control panel.

With Recognition Data checked, this allows maximum data rate (default setting), required by some handwriting recognition software.

Checking the Standard Mode radio button lowers the data rate, allowing graphics applications to draw a stroke faster.

David

[squirrell]

Not getting any of these problems on mine, and I'm using an ancient wacom intuos (presumably an intuos 0).

[Portus]

Not getting any of these problems on mine, and I'm using an ancient wacom intuos (presumably an intuos 0).

Same, actually I'm still keeping the Intuos 1 because I hate what Wacom did to the Intuos 3 drivers plus the tablet squeals like a pig.

[fes]

The dabs problem seems to be solely a Intos3 issues and perhaps something to do with the side button clicks function. Using the 6D pen, which has no side button, there are no extra dabs, and no missing strokes.

Totally frustrating, whether it's a Wacom driver issue or a Corel Painter issue, I have no great hope of seeing if fixed anytime soon.

I'm gonna send in a bug report to Wacom (see the pdf they have with their driver for somewhere to send these - tho it does say on them they don't reply to reports they do read them - I live in hope)

[fes]

Has anyone else found that if they Transform a layer (ie scale up) that the new Painter 11 will crop to the window space. Anything on the layer outside in the gray area disappears never to be heard from again.

Is it just me?!?

[joeparis]

Has anyone else found that if they Transform a layer (ie scale up) that the new Painter 11 will crop to the window space. ...is it just me?!?

Sigh.....not just you. When will it end?

[Arshes Nei]

There are still stability issues with Painter 11.

It likes to crash randomly when you're using guides and rulers. This totally killed a lot of steam for a project I was working on, and good thing it wasn't paying, I would have just switched to another program to complete it.

It's still setting me back and I just don't want to hear format and defrag the drive. That's so 1995.

I really want to like it, it does have some nice features, but it was like half an upgrade, and didn't fix issues present since the past versions.

[FranciscoShreds]

Hmm... I'm having trouble replicating this scaling issue (that's a good thing right? ) On the other hand, with the dabbing issue I was able to replicate it. In fact I was able to replicate it so well that I essentially learned to control when it happened. It seems that if I stroke diagonally, whether left to right down stroke or vice versa it will not show the dabbing, however, as soon as I do a straight up to down stroke at a moderate to fast speed it'll start the dabbing, after which it won't matter how I stroke on the canvas.

running xp 32 bit, latest rc intuos 3 diver, 4 gigs of ram, 2 ghz duo core intel.

and

Windows 7 64 bit ulitmate with same driver and specs.

Edit: It seems that switching to standard instead of recognition has done it for me. I'm not getting any more dabs (never experienced missing strokes) as of last night. (this is a copied post from last night since CA was lagging for me)

[fes]

Hmm... I'm having trouble replicating this scaling issue (that's a good thing right? )

Well... I suppose it is a good thing.... means it's a bug not a stupid design. So you get no cropping if the transform layer isn't completely in the window?

Your XP system seems pretty much the same spec as mine.


hmmmmm..... how frustrating for me (and joe and anyone else having this issue)

It also does it on my Tablet PC using Vista.

[Runique]

I tried setting my Intuos 3 driver to Standard Mode (it was set to Recognition) and reset all my driver preferences, but I still get the missing strokes with all brushes in Painter 11.

It does seem to be Intuos 3 specific. My old serial port Intuos 1 which I can use on my old machine and laptop (but not my Vista 64 system as Wacom won't support it) works completely fine with Painter 11, no glitches or missed strokes. That's progress eh?

Another issue with Painter 11 I have is insanely slow file handling. Opening and saving files takes hugely longer than previous versions of Painter, by some order of magnitude. Even opening a new blank document of small size takes 6 seconds or more, when in Painter IX.5 it is always instant.

Painter 11 is a lag monster, all these brush lags, missing strokes, file handling lags etc point to something really broken in the code.

What surprises me most is how any of this got past the beta testing stage, did Corel's devs simply ignore the beta testers as I'm sure these issues must have been raised - all these bugs are things which are immediately apparent within 1 minute of using the application.

[FranciscoShreds]

Well... I suppose it is a good thing.... means it's a bug not a stupid design. So you get no cropping if the transform layer isn't completely in the window?

Your XP system seems pretty much the same spec as mine.


hmmmmm..... how frustrating for me (and joe and anyone else having this issue)

It also does it on my Tablet PC using Vista.

Nope. Been trying to do it with every single transform option but still no cropping. Right now I'm on 7 though, I'll try it on my xp partition after class and see if that affects anything.

[teho]

Runique, I agree with you... after all experimentations i feel already myself as a beta-tester. but it is sad for people, who already bought the program and didn't tried trial version. hope corel release the patch as soon as possible. otherwise it is looking more like public beta release, as soon as painter 11 was released very quite, unexpected... i agree with you, that those bugs are like the first what u see when open the program and considering how many people already have those, it's not something unique case... painter 11 have very great features, btw. and it's a good program overall, but if you can't work in it... well what's the point then.

[fes]

... after all experimentations i feel already myself as a beta-tester.

ditto

[Elwell]

Since we're not speculating anymore, I've split everything from the official announcement on into this thread.

[joeparis]

For some strange reason I don't have missing strokes today/any more. Could it be caused by something running in the background, or maybe that the sun is shining today? Early days; I'm not going to relax yet. I do have the cropped transform problem though.