Jake needs to grow......artistically

[sjuskadur]

love the first picture in the last post, looks like a ref to the thumbnail a few post back!

keep it up mate!

[Chermilla]

Hey wattup?

Your 3D work is coming along great! I really need to get hold of Z-Brush, looks so cool to model with!! I like the way you have worked on the wolf hybrid style creature in order to improve upon his stance etc. He's looking really cool now, the textures look nice!

C

[Jakers]

B-Man Oh B-Man nice of you to drop by. I'm workin further on the one you liked, and thanks for the suggestions...I don't think im pushing it enough yet but I'm going to test it out for you. Is there anything in particular I can make better on the setting you didn't like, or is it just bad overall? I plan on adding to it but maybe I should make start over? get back to me!

sjuskadur Hey sir, your right it is from one of the thumbnails, hopfuly the second one will get done since I couldn't pick just one of the images I sketched, later!

Chermilla Hey there, thanks a lot. Zbrush, definately fun and a neat form of digital art...though I have no urge to practice it.

Some life drawings, and 2 characters. I don't have a lot of realistic stuff in my portfolio at all - and I think I should revise some of the design choices on the second guy?

[loveandasandwich]

duuude!

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/att...1&d=1199950423

lovin it. good job! keep up the hard work!

[Jakers]

28chelseaslater Thanks alot! I hope to do more of those, nice to strip away the color now and then and study light in such a way. See you around

I worked on this some more - added a slight blue tint to it as B-Man suggested (though im sure not as much as I could have??) to push it back a little. What would you add to this picture if I work on it further?

[SlipperyFish]

hey buddy, finally got onto this thing. You get my first post! yay.

So yeah, your figure drawings are really nicely rendered, your first lady looks a little long in the torso however, and a little broad shouldered (or maybe her head is a little small) however its really hard to tell if she was just preportioned that way or not in real life (as not everyone is ideal of course) but the other two look really good, especailly the figure lying down, that is some awesome foreshortning and you pulled it off nicely.

again, with the face portrait... really great rendering, its definetly a strength of yours and it looks good.

with your ww2 infantry guy, some of the details get lost a little in the rendering, but thats just the style of the drawing. the only thing that I can see is that his rifle seems to be leaning back into his junk, which would be unocomfortable...not to mention dangerous.

with your swordsman, pretty sweet design, I'm liking it so far. He looks good and mean.. I do think his outfit could be a bit more dramatic, and he overall could be presented in a more dramatic way. Granted its hard when you want to show off all of your character, but his stance is a little too upright, a little too leaned back for my tastes. It'd be nice if his stance was aggressive to match his overall look. That and you have a few minor things like his blade doesn't really line up with the scabbard all that well, and his right leg looks a tad disjointed. But overall a real cool start on a character.

and as far as the scene looks, its a really cool idea. I think that the lines could be tightened up a little, but I'm partial to sharp lines myself, so its a bias, the vegitation on the shore could be a little more mixed up, maybe throw some trunks in there, some more definition on some of the leaves, because I while I assume its palm trees or a tropical forrest, it kind of looks like grass at this point, although now that I'm looking at it, the climate does not look all that tropical. hmm. I'd say get more dramatic with your lighting, because now its a little flat, it looks a little overcast.


aaanyways, long-winded ramblings, but I know you like ze feedback so I thought I'd dump it on ya, and I'll continue to do so!

[Japanda]

hehe.. Ok, I was looking through the first couple of pictures at the top of the page and the one thing that stuck out to me was the one pinup of the woman in black with the cigarette. Her hands are really manly.. Maybe try slendering them out and make em really willowy. I'm no pro or nothing, but that's my 2 cents. Your stuff is amazing, regardless! I really loved the spiderman thingy with his guts spilling out... Made me want some spaghetti.

[Flaskpost]

Looking good man! A bit to grey´ish colors on that enviro tho.
Characters are dang fine! Especially that soldier!

[B-Man]

Mr Jakers that was a push in the right direction. One thing you could do is ad some vegetation to the foreground. That would make it even more in the foreground. right now its a bit blurry and missplaced to me. The boats could use some more defining, they could also need to be more in the overall atmosphere of the piece. They look kinda pasted in as it is. Look at enviros made by pros to se what else could be done to make it have a more final feel. Im not good enough to help you further. I like how its turning out!
Great work on the figuredrawings as well.
Mahalo!

[Dreamworker]

Hey man great progression e nice ideas! I like last life drawings and the last enviroment is a promise; I think you can work with some smoke come out from houses in the beach and can create a flying machine aproaching from left side of the image

[Jakers]

SlipperyFish Great lengthy feedback, many good points...always good hearing you feedback. the vegetation needs a ton of work in the scene, and a more aggressive posture for the swordsman would have sold it a lot better...right now its between a more arrogant and offensive posture and is boring. Where is your sketchbook friend!?

Japanda hah thanks for stopping by. That picture you ripped on, definately deservingly so...its pretty old and I agree.

Flackpost Your right, that environment could totally be brighter. I wanted a more overcast feel but its just not selling the image as well as it could? I guess I will have to kick up the lighting and be somewhat typical. Thanks!

B-Man Dude you couldn't be more right...as per usual. I haaate the rock right now so im going to check more ref. and fix it. Very good points on the boats too.

Dreamworker Good ideas...I thought of some flying craft too actually...but I don't think I want it to come off too fantasy like? Might look nice though! Thanks a lot for visiting

Bunch of new stuff. This mornings life drawing, evil thing with bad pose.

Then another landscape picture I've started and is going to take a long time to detail...need to plot out the buildings better (they will be on stilts in the delta) and add FIRE inside the mountain to light up the temple etc.

Tips, comments, anything

[SlipperyFish]

hey man, nice update, its cool you're doing so much figure drawing, I really need to get out there and come to one of those things with you.

a few things...
with your first figure, you've done a really nice job of creating weight... it looks like they are leaning back on their arm, so thats good. however her (its a her right?) face is is a little cartoony looking to me... I know you don't get a ton of time in figure drawing, but yeah, it just looks a little off to me. also her (hopefully a her..) leg, around the knee and into the calf looks pretty boney and a little disjointed.

the second pic is dynamite, but again the face is a tad cartoony lookin.
the third one is beautifully done all round as far as I can tell, as is your fourth (what'd you use on that? really cool effect)

your monster is pretty sweet. nice job on the hands and his facial expression... he looks annoyed as hell. its a shame the feet didn't make it into the frame. ah well. his right arm sort of appears though, I mean its probably possible to do that, but it'd be pretty damned uncomfortable I think... looks a little close to his shoulder.

can't wait to see the progression on this mountain thing, looking good so far and your additions you're making will really help bring out some cool detail I think.

another stupidly long post! yay!

[Jakers]

SlipperyFish You called me on some good points...lets face it my shorter figure drawings have a long way to go. The faces are quite cartoony, I really need to practice them more to find out why exactly...mouth too short, proportions?

The longer one was a 45min with 3 pastels, same stuff as conte' but different brand. Arm placement on monster, very good call...ill think about making sure they are in more natural positions next time around.



Did this to the theme of 'robbery' - I wanted to practice line weight and do a different style of drawing. Im going to take it into painter and add some watercolor or similar washes to it and see how it turns out (to step even further outside my usual), so I would love crits before I get into that!

[madhatter106]

Those landscapes - wow! They look great. I particularly love that seascape, the gulls and the clouds and the chimney smoke give it such a sense of life...

[Maestro Andres]

Hey man, it's nice seeing you tackling some life drawings. Those are very helpful exercises. One thing that I find that really help me out was knowing the different proportions of the body such as 7.5 heads tall, an average of 2 heads wide and all that. These will help as a guidelines in obtaining accurate proportions. Of course these will depend from person to person, but you can always establish and arbitrary measurement, and use that to double check your proportions when drawing the figure. Just a thought.
The last environment is a nice addition. Like the mood and colors on it so far. An small crit will be that somehow when looking at the houses and bridges on the water, they seem to be out of perspective with the rest of the background. Take that with a grain of salt because can't tell if it is really that. Just take this an small observation.
But you did a great job with #95. There is so much life in it and like how the rock structure is unusual and eye catching.

[Texahol]

that last drawing is looking pretty good, however that lion looks rather silly. The front arm in particular is just soooooo human looking. The lion is all disproportioned and cartoony compared to the rest, and I think it hurts the image.

Something else I'm noticing about your work [just in general] is that when you're rendering, you're not really paying attention to the large forms. Large forms are more important for visual information than details. You can't build details on no form and expect it to be convincing How light hits large forms gives you the pop, especially from cast shadows.

Your life drawing is looking loads better more recently. I wish I could do as much life drawing as you're getting!

cheers

[cupidsart]

Texahol is right about the lion. It's just a wee bit too human, unless your trying to stylize the entire image. The only other thing about it that I'm seeing are the heads of the hyenas, but again, if your trying to stylize it, then it's cool.

Can't wait to see more,

[HunterKiller_]

Nice to see some life drawings.

I'm going to comment on your line work on those, quite bluntly as per usual.
Basically, I think your lines are still looking a bit stiff. More specifically, most your lines are quite even and smooth. This is flattening your figures.

If you observe carefully the figure, you'll find that the contours still hold minute bumps and curves along the greater length.
What I found was that capturing these details in the contour can greatly enhance realism.
Along with that note, also remember to vary the line weight.

In short, go a bit looser with your lines, don't be afraid to make mistakes.

Keep up the hard work!

[Mengel]

hey, i'm just writing about your female figures on here... what I can see on your anatomy is that you are incorporating male anatomy where it cannot be carried over well, like male hips and then you go back and try to correct them but they still look mannish (did that... make sense? i'm bad at this)

i only noticed cause that's EXACTLY where my female drawings are right now... what i'm doing to correct it (and i'm no professional so take this with a grain of salt

i draw a girl from a reference as well as I can but quickly, gesture and form drawing, few details, just get her on the page right? maybe a blind contour drawing if i'm feeling risky!

then I draw a cartoon/caricature from that, emphasizing the hips and shoulders, breasts and general figure. . . exaggerate what's making it different from your male drawings

then...? i use those two drawings and go back to the source and actually draw her. i draw the woman from the picture and if I feel frustrated i refer back to my two studies...

so this is something like a 2-3 hour exercise i do once a week and then I doodle as best I can in the mean time.. its been working kinda well (i don't know if the progress is due to a good idea for practice or... just my practicing)

but hey, everything looks great man, seriously, genuinely good stuff, im jealous of your color works, they could almost turn me on (platonically?)

[Dreamworker]

Very nice updates!
I love the last one lineart, I understand more your suggestion in my SB. This pice is a promise!
Ciao

[Nightblue]

The landscapes look fantastic - you have some really cool ideas, and you are able to communicate them clearly. The life drawings look sweet too, although I suspect that you may have the same weakness that I do - copying shapes and shadows without really paying attention to the flow of the figure and how parts relate to each other. I think drawing more structually and minimizing shading might be beneficial.

The line weight practice is sweet. The drawing is very flat because the perspective is missing, yet the beautiful and stylized line work goes very well with the flatness and give the piece an almost medieval look. The monster sketch above the shark concept looks nice too. The left elbow's angle looks a bit unclear and awkward, but everything else looks sweet, especially the torso.

[Matsign]

shading is nice on this one http://www.conceptart.org/forums/att...0&d=1200816277 but you need to work on the facial elements like the eyes (remember they are round under those lids. the top lid moves with the pupil as it juts out a bit wheve ever you look. The charcoal studies are very cool, very expressive.

youre EOW - best thing on this page. Its a total different category than the life drawings which you've done a good job with. I like the marks a lot.

[Complexx]

Great work in here, alot of people who work in 3d can jump quickly to 2d i've found. Keep it up man!

[The Legendary Left]

Wow... Really amazing work, keep updating

[Jakers]

Wow very grateful for all the replies, ill be hitting your books shorly..

madhatter106 I like that about the image to, though I fear there are more fundamental things I need to fix, hopfuly I will and let me know what you think later on.

Maestro Andres Hey! good call on checking proprtions, i never really do that enough in the 10 min or so sketches. Those buildings look like they were built wrong on purpose, I definately am going to start them over, very good point. Thanks

Texahol I understand your comment about the large forms, something I am likely overlooking. was there any examples in particular from more recent things to use as an example? I Fixed the lion a bunch, I hope its better...great comment!

cupidsart I hope it looks better now? Your right, I really didn't have a clear styalization for it, shame on me

HunterKiller_ I hope to practice what you were saying in my next session, thanks a lot for your time commenting...reallly need to loosen up, but I am afraid of the mistakes like you say, I hate it when my loose ones turn out so proportionally wrong.

Mengel I hope to do a study similar to what your saying, I can teall it would greaty help my problem...very good points, thanks!

Dreamworker Thanks for stopping, see you around

Nightblue Ah you may be right on the life drawing...I think I know what you mean, im going to do some more cross contour style ones for my shorter poses since this might develop what your speaking of? Thanks for the critiques

Matsign Ya I totally feel a page of eye studies coming on! I was going to say that I couldnt see them clearly, but I should be able to fill that in with knowledge!! she had unique eyes and i struggled. EOW, you mean environment? thanks

Complexx Thanks man. some things like texture painting have definately overlapped form 2D to 3D. its all art and somehow connected

The Legendary Left Thanks!

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I started to color the line piece...tell me bluntly if its not working!! I made a bunch of changes, like a smaller lion head, new arm, fixed the right arm (pulled it in closer), tail direction etc.

This is seriously pretty far from anything I would concider normal for me so guidance would be cool. trying to have some blue/orange, purple/yellow but the colors arent coming together.

I did the lines in photoshop, and im using some blocking/bristle brushes in painter for the color.

[B-Man]

Hi Jakers!
So this lion peice is looking good! You could take it even further by rendering it till you dont needthe lineart. I know thats a big step but you can always start and if you get enough its still ok as it is.
The sky in pictures of this kind of places are sometimes almost white and othertimes the sky is vibrant blue. I would go with a more wibrant blue that fades to a bit soggy lighter blue, almost white, on the horison. are these dogs or hyenas? Hyenas often have dotts around their neck and down over their back. The lions mane could be less spiky and pointy, try making it more hairlike.
I think youve made a good picture so far and all there is is just polish up the small errors.
Im looking forvard for more! Cheers man!
Mahalo!

[Jakers]

B-man Thanks buddy! I don't like the sky, it doesnt work so I'm going to take it out and do something possibly like you suggested. For this one I wanted to leave the linework and do a different style than normal...and the lion mane was that way on purpose, does it look bad if I'm not going for realistic?? Cheers!

[Jakers]

Just some life drawings for now, other stuff on the way.

I tried to just let loose and experiment a bit more, thinking about the critiques ive recieved here, so thanks everyone!

[TheGnoll]

very nice work man, those life drawings look very good, its got to get loose

about the lion vs hyenas work (hyenas FTW!), its working out good, proportions on te hyenas make 'em look a bit like cubs, but its all good.Only thing that doesn't convince me is the head of the lion...did you use ref?
and another thing that looks a bit strange is that you used a very "human like" anatomy on the lion...

but anyway, it LOOKS good, and thats important

btw i like the "evil thing with bad pose" thing in post 101

keep sharing!

ciao

[Jakers]

TheGnoll Hey dude! Ya know, I used some referenced but not enough for the scene, so the linework didnt turn out as well as it could have by any means! I reallly should have done a variety of animal sketches first to better understand them. I've gotta fix some things but for the most part, ill just have to improve next time Thanks!

Ok, finally touched this again, 2-3 hours more work...more punch now? Aside from extra detailing on the big rock and some muddy areas, anything standing out??

I really need to fix that forest, it needs some darker areas between the trees, kinda boring now that I look at it.