your work is beautiful. Keep up the great work. "Draw or die" I'm at that intersection right now
your work is beautiful. Keep up the great work. "Draw or die" I'm at that intersection right now
Mr. P Show.: thanks. Keep drawing. The draw or die thing is something I got from Marko Djurdjevic. It's a powerful statement.
Being inside just drawing every day is driving me slowly insane... I don't have any irl friends who are into drawing. Anyone who wants to help fight off the loneliness can add me to Skype.
Loomis is great. Everyone is always saying to study Loomis. But how many have really studied it?
Last edited by nickydraws; October 20th, 2012 at 02:24 PM.
Hey there, studies are coming along. I actually think the best one out of the whole bunch is the guy you did from mind. You know, it has great character.
And bigger studies are a good idea too.
You, my friend, are destined for great things. Your studies are great. I look forward to seeing many more of your updates
Newman10: thanks for the generous comment. I hope you're right.
I really dropped the ball on these studies... I take one day off and I already notice a drop in skill. Copying drawings should be the most basic thing ever but I still haven't gotten the hang of it.
And yeah, I know, why am I still doing Bargue drawings after all this time? Well, I'm just doing the block-ins to refresh my eye and to help with a cast drawing I started.
With the Loomis studies I'm focusing mainly on construction and I've noticed that my measuring is getting sloppy. It's often hard to spot the drawing errors. I need to sharpen my eye. I need to learn how to see clearer.
I've been thinking about accuracy a lot, and I wonder how important it really is. It just doesn't seem humanly possible to get 100% accuracy. Being a huge perfectionist this really bothers me. I mean, should I just settle for say like 90% accuracy; is it okay to be a millimeter off? How the hell can I get more accurate...... bleh.
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Ok, first of all - you`re doing great, so stop stressing about it
Second of all, don`t worry about making a perfect copy - Loomis was one, and only Loomis can be Loomis, just like you are nickydraws and only you can be nickydraws. Get it? What is more important here than making a perfect copy is - what have you learned? What piece of information did you pick up? Did you get a bit better at constructing a foot? If so, then you`ve reached your goal.
I know how much being a perfectionist can take its toll. Let it go. Don`t copy - learn.
Wow, I love your sketchbook. All of the different studies are great (especially the perspective studies). I encouraged to try the same thing. Please keep the sketches and studies coming.
I'm envious of your Loomis studies - all of it is great, as are your figure studies.
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More block-in practice. When I finish I overlay them with the original drawings to show the mistakes. There are tons, but my eye isn't sharp enough to spot them during the drawing process. Often times you're just layering mistake on top of mistake. I've tried everything. Using a mirror, putting it upside down, standing back etc. I just can't see.
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Yay, more feet blockings! Well, it looks almost perfect to me at least, maybe not the top left one. But after a certain level, you simply wouldn't be able to make it perfect without a deep knowledge of structure and anatomy you know. I mean, afterall, a perfect copy of reality would still be inferior to an almost exact copy of reality but enhanced with knowledge and design, which means the former would be imperfect :3
Nice studies! Accuracy is improved through practice, so no stress. Accuracy, the way I like to see it, is also very helpful tool, it's kinda like a chess game, but not it's really a means to an end. What might help you in the head construction is to vary your sources a little bit. Loomis only tells part of the story and there are many sources out there that will help you with mass conception. It's very helpful to see how varying, seemingly contradicting information corresponds. Wire frame construction doesn't make you better at seeing patches of value, it can help you understand what's wrong when something is "off". People are often held back with the idea that they have to "side" with one theoretical concept, not realizing that most information is culmulative. It's a great strength to be able to solve the same problem from different points of view.
Aaron: thanks. I agree actually, but the point of copying Bargues is to train your accuracy so I don't think it's the time to be dealing with design or anatomy. Or maybe it is... Because Bargue certainly designed these drawings, by simplifying and so on, and he probably knew his anatomy... Hmm.. Still, the point of my exercises with them was solely accuracy. I just need that skill.
AndreasM: hey Andreas. Thanks for the insight. I'm definitely going to be studying other sources besides Loomis. It's just that, even after all this time, I still haven't got any solid figure construction method down. Out of all the books/methods/authors I enjoy Loomis the most. Just wanna get a starting point so I can begin doing stuff besides drawing from life.
What did you mean with 'wire frame construction'? And tell me, do you feel like after your training at FAA that your eye is 'sharp'? Do you have less measuring issues?
I know it might look like I'm obsessing over accuracy too much. but it's an important part of drawing. A lot of beginner drawing issues could be solved by just focusing more on accuracy... Some people seem to think that if you draw accurately you're just copying. It's all about striking a balance imo, you need accurate observation and constructional knowledge.
Anyway, let's get this thing back on track...
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Gottfried Bammes' drawings are pretty good example on "wire frame" construction. After the time at the FAA, I could definitely see better and felt like I had a better eye for seeing the important specifics. It's become a lot more natural to just draw and rely less on measuring. It takes time for some, less for other.
Getting a solid figure construction method nailed takes time, and for me, it has helped to use as many books and other sources of reference as possible - not in a consecutive manner, but all attacked as a mish-mash goop of information. Loomis's drawings are great, but they are concieved through line, so the forms are implied, not felt. If you search up kChen's demos, you'll find some very diagramatical drawings that clearly helps you set up figures in the shapes of boxes, cones and cylinders. If figure construction is a layer cake, kchen would be the foundation layer, on to which other layers of information is built.
It makes sense. At the bottom, you are dealing with shape, form, proportion, gesture and perspective. The next layer would be added with smaller forms, structure, function and so on. Different books offers different layers of information and it's up to the artist to figure out how to assemble them all.
I'm such a preachy bastard :p
Another MArko fan *draw or die?!?!
Fine progress... but why didn't u take up Burne Hogarths book....? Dont put ur art into these frames... break up those boring forms
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AndreasM: don't worry. I welcome a healthy discussion. Issues like these just keep spinning over and over in my head and it's good to hear what others think.
clanlord: thanks. I love Marko but I'm not a huge fan of Hogarth. What did you mean by frames and breaking up forms?
More Bargue block-in practice. Trying to emulate GCA's curriculum.
Thanks for doing the tutorial Nicky!!
Lovely clean lines too!!
some great studies in here man, ,liking the anatomy sketches.
Don't know if I had talk in Dutch to you, but other people have to read it to. I looked at your drawings and you have good skill (good spatial awareness too) and I see you also are searching for methods that are classic (although I would prefer timeless, because is basic knowledge to me me and not a dogmatic theory)
maybe this book is an eye opener. I have a lot of books and I am always looking for old books because they are writen by people who knew a lot of things that were thrown away. I am studying for art teacher and I am about to teach young children this year at the Gymnasium about this method (always considering criticly what works best)
I am practicing know on glass and though one might think it's cheating at first, it actualy trains your eyes to see relations and bulks first and afterwards you can check by measering (used like shooting at a goal with football training, though you see result on one moment and its gone the second, it comes back in your actual studies). The author says that if you practice a few months, your eyes are trained better then what you can do with measuring. Anyway, a lot to discuss, maar ik hoop dat je er iets mee kunt en ben benieuwd naar je reactie en commentaar, want dit is mooi spul om over te discusseren
o yeah, the harold speed book of painting is a good one to!
Your atelier figures are excellent. And so is your loomis studies. Keep at it. =)
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"Society will DRAW a circle that shuts me out, but my superior thoughts will DRAW me in." -Marva Collins
"Character is what you know you are not what others think you are." -Marva Collins
just stumbled into this sb, fellow dutchie trying to make it with art.
At least you've improved massively in the past few years, hot damn!
If you don't mind me asking: where are you at?
I just read you're looking for drawing buddies and I know exactly what you mean about sitting at home
drawing, slowly losing one's mind... maybe we can work something out?
Drop me a line, in a pm or at my email or something.
Keep at it, best wishes.
Laurentiusde_vasseur: hello, thanks for commenting! Old books are the best. People weren't afraid of discussing techniques back then. I've built up a nice little library of books and I'm always searching for more. I'll check out that book you've linked. It's cool that you're studying to be an art teacher and actually interested in technique. Wish I had a teacher like that back in high school.
Immortal Cintiq: thanks!
Harmageddon: thanks, Harm. I'm in Zuid-Holland. I'll try to catch you online some time.
Nothing exciting. Just getting back to daily Loomis.
Last edited by nickydraws; November 5th, 2012 at 09:58 AM.
Hi Nick, thanks for stopping by my sketchbook and saying all those nice things.
Your sketchbook is amazing! The progress you've made is absolutely wonderful and inspiring. I'll be visiting now that I'm subscribed to your thread, so please keep posting. You're work is excellent!
Your self-portrait absolutely rocks Nicky!
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