IDW #109: Supersonic Pizza Scooter

[yoitisi]

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Topic: Supersonic Pizza Scooter

Background: Simple topic this time. I think a lot of people are familiar with the traditional pizza delivery guy on his scooter. This is similar, except the service is faster and the drivers are even more anti social in their navigating through traffic ;)

Brief:
1. Topic: Supersonic Pizza Scooter!
2. That's it... now draw!

Deadline: Saturday, September 6

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[Sorknes]

Was making thumbs, and they went in the general direction of just "sci-fi" then I kinda read that it was supposed to be.. supersonic. Guy needs a bit more protection from the elements than on a scooter then... :P

Was just wondering though, do we need to depict the guy/gal on the scooter using it, or is it ok with just the design of it?

[yoitisi]

Was making thumbs, and they went in the general direction of just "sci-fi" then I kinda read that it was supposed to be.. supersonic. Guy needs a bit more protection from the elements than on a scooter then... :P

Was just wondering though, do we need to depict the guy/gal on the scooter using it, or is it ok with just the design of it?

It's not necessary to depict the guy/gal with the scooter, that's up to you. Might be handy to show the scale of things though (also, it doesn't say it has to be 'human'...) :)

[alive]

alien pizza delivery technology ftw?

[yoitisi]

Alien pizza ftw!

...seems like I could've done a better job on picking the topic this time, it seems?

[alive]

http://www.visitflagler.org/images/members/dominos.jpg

must represent the dominos

[PheKt]

gah, alive - how did you know :P
Im basing mine on Dominos after I got a load of discount coupons from them- was out of a fresher week letter I got from my Uni the other day :D £350 of savings :|

a quick question though yoitisi - Does the scooter *have* to look like a scooter [such as a classic piaggio/vespa shape] or can it be a supersonic vehicle of a scooter size with the prime goal of pizza delivery?

cheers

[yoitisi]

PheKt: The 'scooter' should roughly fall under what you would categorise as scooters today. The Vespa and Piaggio might be iconic and very recognizable, but try and figure out what makes a scooter a scooter and translate that to your own design is my advice.

[alive]

yeah i think with this topic it would be easy to turn a scooter into some sort of speeder bike, however, the topic is scooter, not bike , so it has to stay within that size and general shape i think

[coldrum]

Hey yoitisi it's about time I gave this a crack :P great topic

[NickTrip]

Maybe I'll give this a try. Unfortunately I didn't have time to do the last one.

Some bad ideas.

http://www.tripiciano.com/files/HostedImages/NickTrip_IDW109.jpg

[Smashed_Pumpkin]

Here's a quick wip, i don't think I like it much so it's going to change.
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Getting a bit better.... I think
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[Sublimus]

This is a pretty neat topic!!

(Must try and fine time!)

[Pixie Trick]

Some sketchies.... mostly from pics, but some from imagination. This should be fun.

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And a link to some nice pics Japenese Custom Scooters (http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/05/japanese-custom-scooters/)

[Sublimus]

First sketches. I think they are too similar to actual scooter. i need to make them more different/interesting.

Fear not! I have a plan!

[NoShot]

Hi all, I've never tried an IDW before but this looked fun :) Here is my WIP.

[alive]

noshot- haha thats great, reminds me of one of those episode 1 pod racers

[Pixie Trick]

Some more sketchies. The design problems I'm thinking about right now are aerodynamics, and the power, in that order. It's a bit hard to push the shape too far without if falling into non scooter-like shapes.

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Another link for picies (http://www.nyscooterclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5178&start=380)

[hellfiresniper]

I agree with Pixie Trick. Aerodynamics comes first, especially when you're travelling over mach 1. :)


Thought I'd give this Industrial Design of the Week a go since it seems like a lot of fun and I can learn a lot from it! So far I've created this quick concept. I've never attempted a vehicle concept before so it was an interesting challenge. I added a pizza in the front because I thought it fit the shape well. Of course I pushed the design a bit too far and it doesn't really look like a scooter anymore. I'll make some sketches tomorrow and see what I can come up with.
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[NickTrip]

I think something is going to have to give somewhere in the design. Aerodynamics are important, but heat is an issue as well. Surfaces on planes travelling that fast can reach 600 degrees farenheit. So its either got to be enclosed, ridden by a non-human rider, or maybe a little less than supersonic? These issues could just be overlooked though....

[{CKL}]

I'll see if I can't get in on this action...still upset about missing the monster hunting gear...

[I-Z]

sup people, im liking the concepts!

I did a bit of research to find out characteristics of scooters in comparison to motorbikes:

"There are a number of differences that differentiate between a "scooter" and a motorcycle. First of all, ALL scooters have a floorboard where you can put your feet. Motorcycles usually just have foot pegs to put your feet on. Scooters usually do not have you shift gears, such as that on a motorcycle. Scooters usually have one "gear". Unless the throttle is beyond an idle state, scooters are usually in "neutral". Only motorcycles have the characteristic high gas tank, which is usually between your knees when riding it"

http://home.att.net/~jnozum2/Motorcycles_and_Scooters.htm

The main specification for me is the floorboard for the feet im not sticking too rigid to anything else

[B-Man]

Hi, I wanna join in on this weeks. Is there gonna be a final thread or do I post final here? sorry for the noob question. :)

[Pixie Trick]

There's a finals thread.

[yoitisi]

There's a finals thread.

Correction, there's going to be one :P

Actually, I'll put it up now I think...

[Dan Levy]

sup people, im liking the concepts!

I did a bit of research to find out characteristics of scooters in comparison to motorbikes:

"There are a number of differences that differentiate between a "scooter" and a motorcycle. First of all, ALL scooters have a floorboard where you can put your feet. Motorcycles usually just have foot pegs to put your feet on. Scooters usually do not have you shift gears, such as that on a motorcycle. Scooters usually have one "gear". Unless the throttle is beyond an idle state, scooters are usually in "neutral". Only motorcycles have the characteristic high gas tank, which is usually between your knees when riding it"

http://home.att.net/~jnozum2/Motorcycles_and_Scooters.htm

The main specification for me is the floorboard for the feet im not sticking too rigid to anything else

Yeah, you've made a great point here. As I was thumbnailing, a lot of my ideas seemed to be drifting more towards the shape of a jetski than a scooter. The main difference is you sit on a scooter as you would on a chair, rather than straddle it like a bike or jet ski. Also, you don't see pizza guys riding the fastest most aerodynamic bike they can get their hands on. The scooters have to be cheap (i guess) affordable to run, but also agile and nippy. Which is why a big beefy streamlined thing seems a bit silly to me. I wanted to go for that "cheaper" feel. Here's my main idea:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/spazizoner/skoota.jpg

[Pixie Trick]

Well, this thing really would never occur in real life. A supersonic scooter would be nearly impossible to steer on a street, break windows just from passing the sound barrier, and be really, really expensive to run. :P In general this is a silly, impractical, unrealistic topic. Which is really, really fun. :D If we just ignore reason that says it's completely impractical, then we just make the coolest supersonic looking scooter that can carry a pizza delivery guy and is wares. :yum: Because anything that currently exists that goes supersonic is aerodynamic, that's what people are going to associate it with. If we just had to do a pizza scooter, we could have more freedom in the shape.

More stuffs.

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[NoShot]

Hi all, I just wanted to chime in on the discussion about what a scooter looks like. As some have noted, scooters tend to have a more upright riding position, small engine, and are cheaper as compared to motorcycles. But, as I-Z said, the main technical difference is the lack of gearing. There are grey areas when it comes to pure looks. Check out the Honda Super Cub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Super_Cub) which was/is a 50cc (super small engine) motorcycle with gearing. It looks like a scooter though! My point being, I'm not sure a distinction really needs to be made between the look of a motorcycle and scooter (especially seeing as how this thing is supposed to be supersonic :) ). Rather, in my opinion a scooter design should focus on functional point A to B travel with no amenities or superfluous features. Given the supersonic stipulation, I guess it's no surprise that my first concept is basically a jet engine with a seat on top. I didnt think through how the pilot is supposed to get back on board though; right now he is just sort of hopping out... lol! oh well.

I definitely like WIPs that have been posted! I think I am going to have to refine my design to be more scooterish :) I can definitely tell it's a scooter when looking at other people's WIPs, not so much with my first effort. I'm looking forward to seeing people's finals!

[PheKt]

thanks for the in depth analysis NoShot, Im probably going to have to revise my design by the sounds of it :p

really liking all the WIPs here,
I like the fact you've chosen to do a wheeled version instead Pixie Trick, but my only concern would be how it would brake?

[maeshanne]

I think i'm going to try to make a scooter too

nice one phekt

[yoitisi]

Phekt: As you can see, the forums don't handle the hotlinks from Imageshack so well. Could you please use the attachment manager of CA instead, or maybe Photobucket. That way we don't have to click to see the larger version :)

To fuel some of the discussion of what a 'scooter' actually is or can be :P

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5238/maulsspeeder5xh.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-Bo7a9N4L._SL500_AA280_.jpg
http://www.robotoys.com/SWSpeederBike.gif
http://toyhaven.blogspot.com/2009/03/star-wars-speeder-bike-by-hasbro.html
http://www.ugo.com/lifestyle/star-wars-clone-wars-vehicle-and-figure/images/entries/count-dooku-with-speeder-bike.jpg

[GentlemanCrow]

not to contradict you, but i believe that going as far as these starwars designs. may be too far...scooters are known for the seated position with feet on a floorboard and also their upright. however i do believe people should expand their ideas and put a scooter style steering and seating on any sort of vehicle :].

just my thoughts.

i will post a WiP sometime soon XD

[GentlemanCrow]

for some reason it double posted >.<. sorry for that.

[yoitisi]

I'm mostly just shooting out some inspiration there. Then again, is a scooter only defined by the way people sit on it or it's layout of components, or the iconic looks? Or is there a much more abstract idea behind what a scooter is (think of function, what is it used for, why was it invented in the first place and how do these factors change if you make it superfast or project it into the future, etc etc..)

I think figuring these things out when designing something are important to know, and generally make the outcome much more original and better. Then again, that's just my opinion ;)

[Pixie Trick]

Some great thoughts coming out here. I love discussions. :D

Phket: That just struck me too. I picked my brother's brains as to how to brake, and he suggested thrust reverses. I was thinking parachute but he said it wouldn't work as supersonic speeds. It still needs headlights. Oh, and the pizzas go behind the head.

Some more wips. Which you like? Crits? Shhhhiiiinnnnneeeeyyyy piiiiizzzzaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!

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[maeshanne]

You all examen the scooter from an only design point of view, but I think in the future the design can be changed as long as the typical functionallity's stay intact: fast and very manoeuvrable, ideal for busy cities.

I think the design should be in function of being fast and manoeuvrable. Not in function of how a scooters looks these days.

[NoShot]

How to make a plain old pizza scooter supersonic: ... I'll go ahead and apologize in advance for its stupidity :dur:

[Coxaman]

Hahaha, funny

[I-Z]

Good discussion and valid points regarding form following function, its definately important for innovation for the future, me having having a floorboard is more of a preference than a necessity i guess haha

nice wip phekt
Noshot- that strip made me laugh man!

[John McKenna]

You all examen the scooter from an only design point of view, but I think in the future the design can be changed as long as the typical functionallity's stay intact: fast and very manoeuvrable, ideal for busy cities.

I think the design should be in function of being fast and manoeuvrable. Not in function of how a scooters looks these days.

I agree with this, but I think I think you left out some essential details which make up the essence of, for lack of a better term, "scooter-ness." In addition to speed and maneuverability, a scooter is also smaller, lighter, and gets better mileage as compared to it's closest relative, the motorcycle. It's also less powerful, and quieter. It appeals to different person presenting a different image to the world.

That being said, I think I need to take my sketches in a new direction, as these all look like space vespas:

http://imgur.com/LVn0T.jpg

I'm also sort of stuck on how to treat "supersonic". Taken literally, this is a vehicle which can travel over SEVEN-HUNDRED MILES PER HOUR. That is stupid fast, and you cant slow down very well or turn at that kind of speed.

Although... most cars can go faster than is either safe or legal to drive, so the fact that the scooter can literally break the sound barrier doesn't mean that it will in normal circumstances.

Back to the drawing board.....

[B-Man]

Some really nice concepts are beeing made in here. I really like the loose sketch that Dan Levy posted yesterday. Gonna look stellar! :)
Good work all!
If someone ever invent a supersonic scooter just remeber to wear a helmet. :)

[Faeruithir]

Hey guys,

here are some of my in progress sketches for this. First time doing IDOW! or anything on concept art for that matter!

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1515/supersonicpizza1.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6774/supersonicpizza2.jpg

[maeshanne]

nice sketches for you first concept art :p

[Faeruithir]

haha i meant my first time posting work on conceptart.org, i have drawn such things before of course! but thank you!

[John McKenna]

Okay, I think I'm getting closer here:

http://imgur.com/PSHWY.jpg

Lot of cool stuff going on this time around. I love seeing all the different entries and the varied ways that everyone goes about solving the design problems.

[fughi from yuggoth]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t21/funghi_from_yuggoth/idw109.jpg

rotors,anyone?

[lkjhgfdsa]

I'm pretty bad at drawing things up in graphic style so I went for the maya build, then paint...eep! (I will push it beyond the maya shape of course!?!)
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/jonoy/lkjhgfdsa_scooter_sonic.jpg

[maeshanne]

Here is my sketch, it's a pizza boy delivery / vespa transformerlike robot. First I wanted to it more like a fancy waiter robot with the costume and everything. But it's just suppost to transport pizza's. I had a really hard time getting the perspective right. I maybe gonna make it more round in the paint
I'm gonna be posting a final soon cause I don't have time tomorrow to work more on the painitng

[JellevdVegt]

some nice designs here, here is mine, lines are done.. i will do the color paint job tomorrow.. i still dont know wheter to go over the lines or not ... ;/

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[Miran]

How much time's left?

[NoShot]

Another WIP. I think I may go back to my first one and modify it more for the final though. I dont dig this nearly as much and I dont have time to mess around with a lot of other designs :)

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maeshanne: Cool idea, and I like your progress so far! I think it would help to convey the spirit of the topic if you also showed the robot in scooter form. Right now it says robot more than supersonic scooter.

Teh Gosu: I really like your line work! That looks like a very ambitious piece which is cool. It's going to be interesting to see how you treat the scooter so it doesnt get lost in all the other elements of your composition.

[NickTrip]

This is what I've landed on. I've decided that its kind of a whimsical design brief, so I've opted for the whimsical solution (albiet obvious solution). Posted this up, but I won't have any time for reworking tomorrow, so I have to call it finished now.

http://www.tripiciano.com/files/HostedImages/IDW%23109_NickTrip.jpg

[JellevdVegt]

homeboy guido, how much time do we still have?

[yoitisi]

There's still about 24 hours to go on this round, what with all the timezones and stuff going on around the world. I'll put up the new round this evening though, I think.

[hellfiresniper]

It turns out a lot of things happened this week, so I didn't get to finish the design. Nevertheless this is what I came up with. Not as bad as my first attempt, but not as good as I hoped for. It was fun anyways.

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[John McKenna]

Looks finished to me!


See you guys in the Finals Thread.

[yoitisi]

Time to close this round now :) Poll and new round will be up soon!