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[Asatira]

I decided to start a new sketchbook since the old one had developed some mental baggage. Time to start fresh.

To begin with, here are some sketches I picked out from ones I had done over the last couple of weeks.

Bridgman hand studies
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Vilppu circle exercise and gesture studies.
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1min gestures
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[Asatira]

Some recent gestures, the first two from the zoo playground, the rest from Pose Maniacs.

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These are sketches of a character of mine, a kitsune, that I'm using for another try at the Art Grind (draw a character everyday from June 1 to November 30; yeah, I'm trying to catch up). Proof I need to get back to my anatomy studies and somehow get a consistent design for her.
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I think my biggest problem is while I can do gestures, no problem, I have a harder time getting myself to do longer practice and studies. I have list of exercises/subjects that I will get myself to follow so I can work on developing my skills and my mental library. This includes still lifes, drapery studies, and anatomy studies. Mainly, this means drawing more from around me so the stuff I draw from my head will look better.

[Asatira]

Yesterday's gestures, today's studies of Bridgman, and a marker image.

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[Asatira]

Just today's gestures and Bridgman studies.
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[Asatira]

Repeat of yesterday.

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[Asatira]

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[DeeStar]

i like the last set of bridgeman studies on your third post (hope I got that right), the legs seem a little short on the last image on latest update, but you do have some lovely flowing lines!

[Asatira]

DeeStar: Thanks for dropping by. I am glad most of my lines are sweeping, which is good. Bridgman and Vilppu both have great lines, and trying to get that while drawing more slowly is tricky. I do agree that the legs tend to be short; I am working to overcome distortions that I tend to slip in. It may be how I hold the paper or personal "preference", but I swear I either make the upper body too wide or the lower body.

Some older Bridgman studies that I had not scanned, plus yesterday's studies. I am trying to get myself to branch out into the rest of my planned routine and draw more kinds of studies and observations. These are drawings from an issue of TV Guide. A quirk of mine is, when doing body studies, I draw blank faces. Not a priority in these kinds of studies.

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[Asatira]

Today's Bridgman studies.

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[Asatira]

Very quiet the last week or so. Pretty much Bridgman studies.

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[Asatira]

Continuing the Bridgman hand studies. I need to take some time to get to other things. But, it's been a busy week and not much time to set aside. I'm supposed to be reviewing for a state exam for an ecological scientist position; review of basic biology kind of stuff.

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[Ater]

Very nice, My girlfriend was using the same book for her classes so I'm going to steal it when shes through with it. I like your hand sketches. But overall the sketches are pretty good.

[Asatira]

Ater: Yes, the book is turning out to be useful. Got to be sure to read it as well as to do the studies. Thanks for stopping by.

More Bridgman studies. Still doing the hands, but decided I needed to pick up the pace a bit and started doing studies earlier in the book (it's the big collected one) and start working on the torsos. Hopefully, I'll get to ref'd drawings again and see if I can apply some of the things he talks about. Also, poorly done fox drawings.

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[Asatira]

I had so many problems with my scanner to get these up. I need to get a new one at some point.

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[Mat Kaminski]

That Bridgman seems to really be taking a liking to you huh :D

[Asatira]

Matte Art: yeah, he kinda has. I really like doing them. I just need to see about applying what I'm learning to actual figures.

I was a bit lax this week. Little to no studies this time. I did go over to the area cultural park to do some sketches, but I didn't scan them until today. (I'd actually misplaced my sketchbook). Including a page of quick studies of some art pieces at the museum.

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[Asatira]

Had the DVD of Cirque du Soleil's Alegria, decided to go through some performances to get some gestures and to jot down sketch notes about the costumes I liked. I mentally refer to the last page as "Proof the body can bend that far, but it really shouldn't".

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[Asatira]

Taking advantage of waiting room time and not wanting to listen to the talking heads on the so-called news channel.
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[jackpot_anjr90]

Nice Bridgman studies man! Keep up what you're doing and you're really gonna improve, you've got some good work here!

[laxon]

Very extensive studies! I congradulate you on your patience. You are getting very good with anatomy.

[Asatira]

Iaxon, jackpot_anjr90: Thanks for dropping by and the encouragement.

Geeze, a month. I did draw a little bit. I did a page of Bridgman torsos, and a couple pen sketches of the little girl character I have floating around in my head. I would like to develop her and the robot that goes with, hopefully to use in a story. Trying to peg a look for her (and she needs a name).

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[Asatira]

Drawings done while at Dragon*Con this year. The first set are life drawings done while at the meet-up with fellow CA.org forum artists. It was a fun experience, and the first time I've done life drawing in, man, I don't remember when. guggenmanuever was very nice in providing us a really nice model.

First two are 2 min. gestures, followed with a 20 min long pose (focused on construction) and then attempts at studies of hands arms during another long pose.
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I also entered the quick sketch comics challenge. 30 minutes to draw either a one page sequential or a nice image. Couldn't pick one story for a sequential, so I did a picture. While I didn't win, I was commended by one of the judges for trying to tell a story within my image.

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[Kuidf^!]

very nice drawings the bridgeman studies are very clean and crisp, not scrufy, unlike me :) nice work keep it up

[.empyrean.]

Well done! Tons of body studies are good. Hand studies are impressive!
Keep it coming, man!

What do you prefer, quality or quantity sketches for improving skills?

Greetings Max

[Asatira]

kuidf^!: Thanks.

.empyrean.: Thanks. As I've said, I need to start applying it to actual hands, either IRL or photos. To answer your question, I'd prefer high quantity of high quality. No reason not to put your best into a picture, that'll be the only way you can improve.

Today, so far: Bridgman again.
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[LostFayth]

Wow! You've come a long way since the first time I met you on ca.org (Mentoring thread with Wrenatus). Kudos for your effort and the bridgman sketches are coming out really nice. Good job! Keep it up :D

[Asatira]

LostFayth: Thank you.

Um, mixed bag of Bridgman and other stuff from my head that's fanart and studies for a comic I'm working on.

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[Asatira]

Today's sketches, ref'd from a series Sears ads. Trying to get back into drawing from ref to learn the figure, especially clothed figure. Very messy, as it's meant to be right now.

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[Asatira]

Not much going on. A few sketches from a Sears ad, and then a bunch of eye studies. Aside from the first page of eyes (ref'd from a mag), the rest are studies of other artists; Bridgman, Leveille, Peck, and Robert Barrett. I was just in the mood to work on eyes, so next update may have more eye studies.

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[Asatira]

Pen sketches of my home's backyard patio area wall-ish area... And more advertisement sketches. I think I'm starting to hit a wall again or something. I really think I need to both stretch my reference materials (for quick sketches and overall research) and the time I spend on them. May explore other media a little.

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[majortom]

Like everyone else said, I am loving your Bridgman studies! Your quick gestures are full of fluidity and yet they are clean. Something I noticed with your recent post of advert studies though is you are loosing a lot of the rhythm of the pose. Sketch through the pose a bit more, don't worry about the contours of the clothing as much and try and feel where the legs, rib cage etc are underneath... if that makes sense. Beautiful work, I hope to see more soon!

[Arteater]

Amazing anatomy studies. You have some real talent :D

[Asatira]

majortom: Thanks. I can see how my advert studies are getting kinda stiff. I was recently thinking of using a timer so I don't get bogged down with distractions. Of course, it kinda depends on whether it's the gesture I want to work on or more of the overall figure.:shrug:

Arteater: Thank you.

I have not been doing all that much drawing or studies this last week or so. I've been focusing on getting (very) rough pages drawn so I can resume a much neglected webcomic I'm doing with a friend. So a drawing, about 45min, I did based on an image from http://auroradreams.deviantart.com and Bridgman hands.

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[Asatira]

Not much to say. Animal sketches are my attempts to build up parts to hopefully be used with some fantastic animals, like a dragon-ish creature.

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[Asatira]

Was sick last week. Limited drawing. First pair is more a mental exercise than attempt at drawing something pretty. The second pair is studies of heads from Smith's Nude Female Figure.

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A timed gesture exercise I had picked up. Same pose, 1, 2, 3, and 5-min.
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[Artofinca]

Good studies, post more!

[Asatira]

Artofinca Thank you. Will try.

An exercise over in the mentoring community. Draw something from imagination, then draw it again with reference to help. First, the raw imagination.
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Referenced drawings of grande jetes.
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Imagination, with a little ref.
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[DiR3Kt]

Hey nice work so far :)

I especially like the timed gesture exercice you did on #36.

You are slowing down with the Villpu/Bridgman studies, aren't you ? Are they not worth the efforts ?

[Asatira]

DiR3Kt I'm still doing some Bridgman, but I'm very very inconsistent. Discipline I am very lacking in. I just finished the hands section, but hadn't scanned it in. Speaking of, scanned them in tonight (I still hate my scanner).

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[Asatira]

Wow, I've been rather quiet this month. At least I'm off to a better start this month/year.

My secret Santa gift, inspired by a Mucha image/sketch from a Dover book I have.
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And my first two pieces of the year. They have color! And both in things I don't use all that much and plan to use more of over the year: Painter and watercolor.
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[Black Spot]

I like your Secret Santa picture and the studies are coming along a treat. You might want to mix some still lives in there as well.

[Asatira]

Yes, definitely will try to get in more still lives. I haven't been doing to many studies of late, which is sad. Been in a funk, I guess.

[Asatira]

Yeah, I've been quiet for the last couple of months. This is in part due to the drama that was going on over December through January. It kind of put me off of the forums for a while, and it's taking a little work to get back into things here. That, and I haven't been drawing. *cough*

Stuff I've been up to.
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[Black Spot]

You've got some nice movement with the dancers and I like the little heads.

[ilmenhin]

I like all your studies- from lifedrawing to the 1min gestures and the Bridgman studies- they look promising, having good forms and nice simple strokes. While I don't see much of it in your imagined art (art without refs; excluding that imagined art with ref of a girl leaping looks good) - I think you'll be much better once your studies seep in~

[Asatira]

BlackSpot: Thanks for dropping by and the kind words.

ilmenhin: Thank you. Yeah, I don't do much imaginative work/creative work, not as much as I'd like. Or I don't feel comfortable showing off my fanart of various things, which is silly since plenty of people here are effectively paid to do "fanart" (comics and movie related professional work). I'll try to post more imaginative work, usually a mix of what's in my head and reference to make it stronger.

I dropped off the face of the forum again. Here's some highlights of the last couple of months, including some of that fanart I've been reluctant to share.
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[Black Spot]

Nice update. I was wondering where you'd got to.

[Asatira]

Random stuff done over the last week or so. Mostly pen sketches, and one rough page for the summer Nanomango.

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[Black Spot]

The first three make me want to laze by a pool. Good to see you updating more.

[Asatira]

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Playing around a little with inking with a nib pen, a Deleter Saji nib. A little smoother than the above version done with microns, but still not perfect. Of course, first time with a nib pen.
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[Mahran]

Very nice! I really like your more cartoony work.
Lookin forward to seeing your take on Spidey!
Hope to see more cartoony/comic book art.
Keep up the great work!!!

[Dacountno2]

Nice to see your progression! what / where can i find this "bridgeman" ?

I very musch enjoy those studies, & have seen them elsewhere; I have historically used books by herold Speed, Andy Loomis, & Burne Hogarth... so new eye-candy/ muscle memory practice sounds good. Keep up the good work!

[Asatira]

Dacountno2: Thanks. I need to get back to the studies in general. In general, you can find Bridgman (without the "E") all over. There are scans/PDFs available, but you can get hard copy books from Dover Books. There is a compilation published, which is what I'm working out of, but try others. Check out the Artist Reading List in the Art Discussion forum.

Mahran: I'm glad you like my more cartoony work. I got into art via comics and animation, so I think I'll always be influenced by the linear nature of the two. I'll put up my remaining pen tests and some silly fanart I did in my next update.

[walnut]

Very vivid figure stuff, i like that!

[Asatira]

walnut: Thank you.

Quick update with some of the stuff I've drawn since the last update. Not much that's exceptional, but here you go.

Just for completeness, the remaining inking tests with a g-pen and a maru pen (and bad attempt at brush inking on the cape). Right now, I like the g-pen nib, though can see a use for the thin lines of maru. Haven't yet shifted over to it, but will try to use more often.
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Still life from zoo education department's collection. In crayon.
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Timed reference gestures, including a chair!
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For those checking out the thread from the Dynamics Challenge thread, this is part of my Spidey-mood. It was prompted by this contest (http://sketchoholic.com/Talent/member/my_contest_items.php?ContestID=457) over at Sketchoholic.com, which is mixing characters from a list into a hybrid super hero. For some reason, the combo of Spiderman and Sailor Moon struck me and I couldn't shake the cracky idea. Hence "Sailor Spider"!
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[Asatira]

An entry for the Dynamic Challenge. It's been pretty quiet overall.
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Some anatomy studies from earlier, arms from Bridgman, and a simple marker piece.

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[Sumisoul]

I love your figure studies!
So great! You're the second person who posted on my thread who is a REALLY hard worker.
Your lines are coming to flourish and become better than my own.
But I think I spot a bad habit. Do you rush your art at all?
It seems like when you do quick studies, you're doing pretty well on achieving a level of quality for something with that speed. On the other hand, it seems that your pieces only get as much attention as your studies. With the exception (it would seem) of power girl. If I'm wrong, please tell me. If I'm not wrong, I'd love to see something that takes you forever. Even if something small. Just a request ^_^
I really enjoy your sketchbook and your passion.

[Asatira]

BlackheartK Yeah, I do tend to focus largely on quick things, and I am aware of needing to take more time on pieces. I also have a poor habit of not really completing things. Lately, I'm working on that. I want to take time to set up and do a longer sitting still life and longer masters studies, and translating that to my original pieces.

Thanks for stopping by.

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A marker piece.

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[Vink]

Your bridgman studies are amazing but its a shame you don't carry that into your other drawings. Practice drawing heads more too, you should read some andrew loomis just to learn the planes of the head so your face don't look that flat.

[The7Artist7]

Hey Asatira - new challenge is up! Dynamic Self Portraits! Silly stuff is welcome as it's just for fun :P

[Asatira]

Vink: Thanks for the kind crit. I do wish I could apply the dimensionality of what I've learned from Bridgman to pieces I draw from imagination, but I do recognize I tend to fall back onto more stylized short-cuts. Not always a bad thing, but still a short-coming when I could do more. It'd help if I got back to drawing from ref and had a real face--photo or in person--to remind about the planes and form.

As I said in an earlier post, I wanted to do more still life drawings. Finally sat down and started doing so. Will do my best to do a simple still life everyday, and that should be the minimum (that's the plan anyway).

The last couple night's I was able to get draw were a pair of small wooden blocks I'd bought to study lighting with. The first two pages had about 15 min. per drawing.
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Tonight's drawing, about 25 min.
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[sanakris]

You've got a lot of discipline and are not afraid to try new things. :D Which is excellent.

And your a marker artist! yay! A really fun medium.
One of my favorite drawings of yours is the recent one with the girl on the couch. Her gesture, pose, and expression is genuine...one can grasp the mood of the drawing. Awesome

One thing that might help in enhance the recent life-observation studies try to increase the value range a bit. One little helper thing is creating a value scale with pencil/graphite or any medium of 0-10 from white to black. Here's an example here. Or make one with 0-5 your choice.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pastelpointersblog.artistsnetwork.com/content/binary/5-landscape-value-scale.jpg&imgrefurl=http://pastelpointersblog.artistsnetwork.com/default,date,2007-10-01.aspx&usg=__68uJ6_Qs8b8DSglDb8h4079jRm4=&h=161&w=504&sz=51&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=USEcDKg6kXp1bM:&tbnh=69&tbnw=216&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcharcoal%2Bvalue%2Bscale%26um%3D1%26h l%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Ds%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D720 %26tbs%3Disch:10%2C258&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=390&ei=5UitTMj5LoWqsAPmlcGdDA&oei=1kitTIzRIo_QsAP69qz5Cw&esq=6&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0&tx=72&ty=6&biw=1440&bih=720

Once you have done that. Keep it near you when you do gray-scale observation drawings. This will help you look for similarities with the chart and what your seeing. It'll also help with depicting form and depth in the objects your studying.

! And some marker advice. Markers are one of the few mediums out there that one must start from light colors to darker colors. Because once you put something down it's there. Which is a splendid thing and a horrible thing sometimes. And also keep in mind the direction of your strokes and mark making.

O.O; sorry for rambling on for too long. Hope this helps. Keep at it!

K

[Asatira]

sanakris: Thanks for stopping by and the well-thought out critiques. Yes, I need to work on a scale and use more than one pencil. As for the markers, I am aware of technique, and usually work light to dark. The problem with the quality is probably the paper; I've been using Bristol smooth, which is nice, but doesn't blend as well as marker paper. We'll have to see how I do with the "proper" paper.

The last week plus has been crazy. Between grading composition papers and working on my usual editing projects, I was just too drained to get back to doing my daily drawing (yeah, yeah, excuses). Here's what I've got.

This was from some time before things got crazy, the sixth I think. And circle doodles.
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This was from tonight, and about an hour's time went into it. Need to see about making and using that value scale, and better at blending.
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Yesterday's pieces. Timed figure studies, general face studies, both from ref, and a really quick and dirty 5 minute sketch of a toy's head.

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[ErikHolfelder]

Excellent work with the bridgman studies. I'm probably just going to echo some things that have been said, but it never hurts, eh?

Definitely try to get your bridgman and gesture work to apply to your characters! Think about the work in segments: first get your gesture down with good balance, twisting and wedging and proportion. You do great with this in gestures. Try doing pages of gestures from your head, not worrying about details and facial features. This is the groundwork for your characters!

Same with the head, try drawing from imagination in the style of bridgman. There's nothing wrong with stylized characters/manga/cartoon/whatever style, but it's got to feel like it's based on solid knowledge. So try using the construction you've practiced with bridgman to make your own faces. Then analyze the drawings and see where you need work, such as planes of the head, expressions, facial features, etc.

Then you can focus on arms, legs, feet, hands, etc. in particular in the same way.

I think if you start working this way much more you will see a great improvement in both your characters and your observational studies. You've got solid observational skill, you just need to start working more from your mind! (while never stopping the studies :))

Good luck!

[Asatira]

eekolite: Thanks for the feedback and advice. I'm going back to basics with Bridgman and Loomis, and the studies in general. I used to be a lot stronger with my expressions, but I haven't been putting in the studies like I used to, so it's been slipping. Hence the exercises. Working on putting in more facial/head studies, maybe doing studies of films I watch.

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Grading papers and other work. Not much. So, self portrait from Monday, drawn from a webcam ref. And some progress pics of a piece I did for a fan community's secret santa sign-ups. I started with it going one way, didn't like her pose and expression, and re-drew it in a completely different pose.

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Not much to report, but it's been too long since my last update. So my self-portrait from the first and a piece of fanart.

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[turtlecracker]

I like the idea of the 1, 3, and 5 minute studies. =D I'm going to try those out next time I pick up my pencil.

One thing I've been trying to remember myself while practicing values and shading is to think about the direction you move the pencil. Like, say in #66, the mermaid is holding a shell, I believe. But since it's been shaded with lines that go across the whole thing, it looks kind of flat, even with the darker shades. Maybe it would look different if you'd start out with the darkest shadows and work along the shape of the shell towards the lighter values?

I'm still starting out with drawing, so if I'm not too good at explaining what I mean, I apologize.

[Asatira]

turtlecracker: Thanks for your feedback and advice about shading. Form following shading is one of many things I need to work on.

Not much, just some fanart I did for an anime fan group on DeviantArt. I liked the background. :geekg:

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[sanakris]

Don't be too hard on yourself on the shading. There was a break through on #66. Which was done a few months ago reveals form and values well. And that rhino figure looks realistic. The figure and head studies are fantastic as well as the imagination stuff. ;)

Hey thank you for appreciating my long critique. After the last post, I thought I had talked way too much and might come out as being offensive just for rambling.

I'll shut up now and let you draw and do your thing :)

-K

[Asatira]

sanakris: Thanks for dropping and your words. I shouldn't be so hard on myself, but it'll take a while to ease up. I'll ease up when I my studies get better.

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[Jamie Romoser]

I'm digging those lines :yum:
Keep it up and have a good one
-Jamie

[Asatira]

Can finally post my secret santa images. Also, a quick marker piece I did for Illustration Friday.

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[Asatira]

Ref'd figure sketches.

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Not the first drawings of the year; I hope to get to that later today. 30 sec. gestures, and 1-3-5min. studies.

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[Jamie Romoser]

Deffiantly improving keep up the hard work on the studies
have a good one and happy new years
-Jamie

[Asatira]

OmertA: thanks.

Quick fanart sketches, timed gestures from pixelovely.com, timed still lifes and a not-so-timed.

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[Asatira]

Some anatomy studies. Realized I haven't been drawing legs well, so I've started studying the lower body, starting with the pelvis. Images are largely copies done based on Jack Hamm and Richard Peck.

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[Black Spot]

I love the cartoon drawings that you do. For the still lives don't outline them as much and let the shading make the form. Also some of the shadows needs to be darker - took me ages to get dark enough.

[Asatira]

More anatomy studies. A few from Peck, and back to Bridgman. Also, some drawn from photo ref studies, the usual timed gestures and a few studies of the pelvis. It's all kinda jumbled together.

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[Asatira]

Finally. Something outside, and not human. Went to the zoo for a brief bit. Did some drawings of some of the animals, mostly gestures for fairly obvious reasons.

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[Asatira]

<sigh> No anatomy this week. But a few pieces from imagination, and couple fanart pieces.

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[Asatira]

More daily drawings, and a few gestures.

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[Black Spot]

I like the lions from the zoo trip, at least they stay still for a bit, and those last gestures are full of vim.

[Asatira]

Blackspot: Thank you.

I have been slow on uploading the remainder of my February pictures. Don't look forward to uploading them. So for now, just a few WIPs and finished of a piece of fanart I did over a couple days. Very simple, deliberately flat digital coloring.

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[Asatira]

Inertia, it is me. Moving past simply doing gestures after not drawing for a while = tricky.

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[Asatira]

More arms. Ballpoint pen.

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[Black Spot]

That's loads on the page. Never thought of doing them like that.

[Asatira]

Black Spot: Yeah, I don't always worry too much about overlap. Mostly just want to draw them and figure the object out.

[Asatira]

Stuff drawn during April.

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[Black Spot]

Nice linework as ever.

[Asatira]

Blackspot: Thank you very much. I like my lineart.

Tonight's studies. Again, timed figure ref's from photos, and the blocks again. Focus for the blocks was largely outline and general shapes, so poor pencil choice (hard pencil). Next time, going to use props that are a little bigger so I can measure.

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[CLANLESS]

I like. Very inspiring ~

[Asatira]

D.M.: Thanks for dropping by.

Stuff from last couple weeks.
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Kissing studies to figure out for a piece I'm working on.
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[JSpayde]

Great volume of studies :)

[Asatira]

JSpayde: Thanks.

The picture I mentioned in my last post.

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[Reutte]

Your kissing studies are so sweet! You're great at drawing people! I'm awful, I need to go all the way back to basic anatomy and start again. @_@

[AnthonyV]

Your line work is ssssooooo good.
Everything has a nice gesture to it and the structure holds up nicely.
I'm not sure what your goals are, but I'll try to help (I hope)
Focusing on where you're placing you line weight would sell the weighted bulks of your figures. Amongst the rush of timed gesture it can easily slip. But if you start your drawing in pencil under the timer and finish the drawing in ink (pen?) after the timer, you can nail stronger and more beautiful lines. If you like the line work heavy art, the next step is practicing how to polish them for full illustrations (then the door to Critique Center will open! XD
Look at how other artists go about this type of art. (animators, comic ppl, mangaka)

Glen Keane (http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&biw=944&bih=1071&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=glen+keane&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=)
His Blog (http://theartofglenkeane.blogspot.com/)
Shunya Yamashita (http://shunyama.web.fc2.com/originalgallery.html)
Jim Lee (http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1017&bih=1071&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=aqPiTYzSO8bZgQfV5LDUBg&ved=0CDkQvwUoAQ&q=jim+lee+pencil&spell=1)
David Finch (http://www.google.com/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1017&bih=1071&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=david+finch+pencil&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=)

Also thanks to the 2d nature of line work, adding comic/manga symbols easily mesh with it's style. So mastercopy a bunch more isolated heads (anime eyes!) as it would help build your visual vocabulary for quirky expression. Then you can mix and abstract your own.
Check out this guy, he allows even his life studies to have an element of stylizing, as long as it looks good in the end.
Steph Laberis (http://stephsketches.blogspot.com/)
I see a lot of cube fist, cropped out feet, the some small hands, and block feet. I know hands and feet are often low on the priority list of things to learn how to draw (lol I NEVER drew a foot study). But they have to be learned eventually. Hands are awesome, there is a lot of expression to them.
Keep up the good work
ps. You might like this photo gesture tool
Pixelovely (http://www.pixelovely.com/gesture/figuredrawing.php)

[hala]

Anthony is clearly going to be our resource guy xD
You have some really nice studies coming along in here. I'm particularly fond of this one. (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1227805&d=1304910153)

Your studies look a bit rushed though, take some time aside every now and then to do a really long focused study--even if it doesn't end up being finished/you run out of time/etc. This is only gonna make your shorter studies more solid and clean because you'll have given your brain some time to really absorb what you're trying to learn.

That's my only crit, keep it up!!! :)

[KT]

Well your a lot more proficient than I am when it comes to figures. The studies are nice and I like the one of the dragon fly toy. For that though I think you should try to use shading to describe the form more as the black shaded parts look a little flat.Please forgive me if most of my post sound convoluted because its a bit late.

[Asatira]

KT: I tend to keep working on figures, even when I slack off. I think for the Dragonfly sketches I was focusing on outline, not so much focus on shading and detail. (didn't even touch the wings)
AnthonyV: Thanks for the resources. Line weight is something I'm working on with my inking, which is largely learning control. A bit better with pencils. Mostly building up control.

hala: You're one of many who have mentioned time. I do need to work on slowing down, moving past the timed studies. Only excuse, not regular enough, and using timed drawings to say, "Here, I'm going to do so many drawings of x, x+, x++ minutes." After that, can be at a loss. Hence why I've joined the group. I have to answer to someone and get out of my comfort zone and out of my plateau.

Here's tonight's drawings. Took advantage of Pixelovely's update and did the 30 minute "class."

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[KT]

Good gestures! I'd say to try and make your gestures flow more, I guess by using a more continuous line to capture the pose.

[AnthonyV]

Looking good looking good
I agree with hala, try some longer poses and build on skills you aren't used to.
Your gestures are your strong point, though the power of gestures dwindle under coats of rendering. Try to practice maintaining a strong gesture throughout a long study while studying the subtler qualities of the figure.
Also try adding emotion to your figures' face and hands. These can be done in quick 5-min gesture studies too. Animators are the best at this - example (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BrpPxt3zMys/TS-_28MntoI/AAAAAAAAAhE/gRqGim1oan4/s1600/disney_tangled_glen_keane_large.jpg)
Don't worry if it doesn't map photo-realistically for quick studies, focus on getting an emotion that will compliment the pose of the figure.

[hala]

I know what you mean. I often know that I should be doing x, y, and z but it isn't until someone comments that I'm like "ok, it's time to get down and do it." You know, even if you just put aside one day of the week, where you're only going to do longer works, that little bit will help. And on that day you just won't think about doing it in a set amount of time, just go until you can't look at it anymore.(Though I know with how life works, that's not always an option to just fly by the seat of your pants haha)

Anyway, I really enjoy this last batch. You're very good at capturing the gesture, but I think you could challenge yourself to get the sweep of the gesture in less scratchy lines--try to do it in as few strokes as possible.

[Darkmoon]

I think you have gesture down pretty well, i really enjoyed your kissing study and would love to see some of these gestures turn into more finished sketches.

your linework is very well done, very clean and graphical.

i cant wait to see more.

[Asatira]

Thanks everyone for your comments. Yeah, my gestures have their good points, but I do tend to chop my lines a bit to try to build up the body. For tonight's pictures, didn't have the option of trying to build up the body in the gesture. Took advantage of tonight's So You Think You Can Dance, and drew as I watched it air. A mix of mostly drawing from a mental snapshot and as it occurred.

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[rem92]

There is a lot of nice stuff in this SB, very nice figures and gestures, and there is some pretty good form and perspective studies too, very nice ^>^

[Jamie Romoser]

your sketches are very dynamic and there's good progress in your sketchbook :)
keep it up and keep having fun
-Jamie

[KT]

Nice batch of gestures. These are a bit more flowing in the lines than the last ones. The proportions might be a bit off on a few, some look a little squashed, but they're great in the movement and energy they capture.

[Reutte]

Your more recent gestures are more stick-like but their still really good at getting the movement down.

Are you going to turn any of them into full scale drawings?

[Asatira]

Thanks, guys.

A bit of a head's up for my Sketchpot group: I'm going to be a bit busy this week, and may not have much time for drawing until I get some last minute studying out of the way. I will sketch, but not much time to scan, and not much long study.

[KT]

Oh, don't worry Asatira. I've got finals coming up so I understand how that goes.

[hala]

Don't worry Asatira, focus on your life first. :)

[Asatira]

Thanks, guys.

Very busy this week, helping out with summer camp at the zoo. Not much time to sketch there, and not much time or energy to sketch in the evening. Mostly gestures drawn while watching SYTYCD, but a page from an outdoor concert last month and a bit of stuff I drew for the kids.

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[AnthonyV]

When doing quick doodles, draw hands bigger than you naturally do. A lot of people seem draw small hands and head big when they start.

[Sealegs]

gestures and studies are looking good! Really like that your studying animals too, keep em comin!

[KT]

Yeah, those gestures are really energetic! When you do gestures you should pay attention to proportion at least that's what I've been told, I don't see any major proportion issues so I guess I was just saying that to get you to think about it. Anyway, I like the leopard sketch and the girl doing the kick, it has great energy. I hope the summer camp is at least fun even though you don't have time for sketching.

[Reutte]

Your animal studies are really cute, especially the tiger. And all your gestures definitely capture the energy of that movie. Hopefully, you've seen some interesting animals while working at the zoo and got some ref pictures.

[hala]

SYTYCD is sex on legs amirite? love that show.
anyway, I really enjoy this last batch, keep it up!
I particularly like this one. (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1253586&d=1307893034)

[Black Spot]

The kiss doesn't look really connected somehow. I preferred the sketches before.

[Asatira]

Black Spot: Yeah, that seems to always happen with my work. Something gets lost in the translation from the studies and sketches to the actual art.

KT: Proportions aren't the priority for the SYTYCD sketches, more the energy and poses. But will try to keep in mind as I do more live sketches.

Reutte: Yeah, I do try to do sketches of the animals when I can, but hard to do when I have to keep up with kids. I do have a number of photos, but can always try to get more because one tends to miss some.

Hala: Thanks!

Had a death in the family, so last week was a dearth of practice, again. Here's a few pieces I did earlier, more animation-based than anything.

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[Brandon Pilcher]

I love the Disney studies (that was a good movie).

[Asatira]

Brandon Pilcher: Thanks. I love TENG, and Disney animation in general, plus a few other works and studios. Animation is such a great place to study how to make a body read.

Stuff for tonight so far, namely 30 minute "classroom" over at Pixelovely.com. Geeze, I haven't drawn enough people lately. I've planned things to work on, planned areas of study. So, getting back into the swing tonight, and that's always crappy.
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[assassin216]

nice work

I seriously need to work on hands badly...smh

[AnthonyV]

Everything is looking good
I love The Emperor's New Groove :D *childhood memories*

[Black Spot]

Nice gestures and key frame bodies. I liked the way Jason said in one of the portfolio reviews to look at animation and not to draw in the inbetweens as they're boring to look at.

[KT]

Those gesture are great. They really capture the energy and the general masses. I also really like those studies from emperors new groove.

[Asatira]

Start of Peck torso studies. Will start ribs and anatomy from Peck and others today, then ref'd torsos. Plan to do 50.
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[Reutte]

haha, yeah your Emperor's new groove expression are great. I always figured that was such a great way to learn exaggerated expressions was to watch old toons like loony toons ect and see how the artists stretched the features.

I love how relaxed the laying down woman is. It's a very smooth pose though I also wonder if her left hip/buttock is a bit too far down considering where her leg is positioned?

Can't wait to see all those torsos.

[KT]

Sorry I posted mine before yours. Yours have a better sense for the forms though, the ribcage is round and feels like it has shape to it.

[AnthonyV]

The studies look great, no problems here, keep it up
It looks like you are getting a better understanding of construction.

[Asatira]

Reutte: Her left hip may be off. I feel pretty sure that most of her lower body is off. Unfortunately, this was a timed exercise, so no time to make corrections.

KT: I don't think mines all that great. If anything, I think mine might be too rounded. At any rate, the first attempt to copy Peck below is off; if I do it again, I'll do a better job of capturing the roundness.

AnthonyV: Thanks. If I can get construction down, I should be able to get a better sense of from for my drawings, even if they're line art.

Okay, the new stuff. Last studies from TENG (finally!). Also, some rib cage studies based off of drawings by Sheppard and Peck. Peck is a bit flat on the side, and I'm sure proportions are off. Will re-do in the future, and expect side and back rib cage studies as I do my torsos.

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[KT]

Cool studies. You've identified the problems in your own studies which is good, something I need to work on. What's the title on that Joseph Sheppard book, I think I might have it. Using multiple anatomy books at the same time sounds like an interesting Idea.

[Black Spot]

Rib cages are very difficult to do (I always end up with odd numbers to the other side) so well done.

[Asatira]

KT: Thanks. The Sheppard book is titled Anatomy: A Complete Guide for Artists. It's pretty nice in that he has different kinds of anatomical studies. They're usually schematic line drawings of the bones and muscles, often in a few different poses and views, rendered pencil/charcoal/chalk on toned paper, and surface anatomy drawings on toned papers. Nice for comparison, so expect some studies based on Sheppard and other artists.

BlackSpot: You have no idea how many times I went back and counted the ribs to make sure I was on the right one, and then going back to sketch/shade the distal parts of the ribs! Kept getting lost!

Finally started my personal challenge of 50 torsos today (the original suggestion is to do 100, but 50 for now). First six. May simplify the shadows with markers next time; I kinda want to work on general form, not details.

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[KT]

Nice torso studies. Yeah, working on general shapes and forms sounds like a good idea, I think animators do that a lot in order to understand the forms and shapes that they draw.

[Asatira]

More torsos and some SYTYCD gestures.

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[KT]

Your gestures are really good, there's a lot of energy in them. The torsos are good, but I think the rib cage's are a bit off in some of them. That seems like a good exercise for the upper body. Are you doing it from the pixelovely gesture tool, or something else?

[Reutte]

Ah, your torsos are looking great! Even from one set to the next, the shading in the second seems smoother and more controlled. On number #12, is that her hipbone that is jutting out? I'm just curious because it seems as though her pelvis is overly pointy.

Keep hitting the torsos'.

[AnthonyV]

The studies look good
I like how you are really chiseling in the form.
hmmmm
I think you'll benefit from practicing more consistent tone with the pencil
Also in drawings like #2 (http://attachments.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1270538&d=1309829907) making the lines of the folding stomach skin lighter and thinner would be more attractive.
Watch out from differences in the breast sizes, some like #12 (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1274505&d=1310319282) looking too uneven.
I know these are quick studies of the torso and not some 2-month long crazy in barque drawing, but adding a shorthand note of where the soft edges are is helpful for understanding the form. It can be as simple of a smudge or lightly shaded gradient, but just something to differentiate between the hard and soft edges.

[Asatira]

AnthonyV: Getting the breasts and the chest right is tricky. I am taking some time, but deliberately limiting the amount of shading values. But I will see about taking your suggestion into account.

Reutte: The figure was tricky, very angular. But I may have gone too far, so might come back to it.

KT: Hey, that's why I'm doing torsos, to get the rib cages right. I've been using reference from the figure photo books by Mark E. Smith. They're already black and white photos, so color details don't get in the way; strictly value. I plan to mix it up with other sources.

Not much. Still not regularly drawing.
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[Black Spot]

You're getting the form and it's nice to see more interesting poses as well.

[KT]

Sorry, I guess I was pointing out the obvious:^^;:. I do think this is a great exercise and if you are having trouble with the torso, you could refer back to peck's simplified ribcage or maybe loomis' gestural skeleton. For shading , I'm not sure I can be of much help as I'm a noob at it but Arthur Guptils sketching and rendering in pencil might have something that may help you in it. I have trouble getting myself to draw too, but don't get discouraged. Even if it's only an hour a day, at least that's something instead of nothing.

[america220]

I love your female figure study. I don't have any ideas for shading though.... I don't shade much. good luck. :)

[Reutte]

I use a tortillon to help smooth out my shading but that doesn't necessarily mean that I always understand the underlying reason of why the shade is there in the first place. I still need to work on that. @_@

If you have some cotton swabs you could test them out before getting tortillons to see if you like using them. Also think of gradients when your shading.

[Asatira]

Hey, guys. Looks like everyone is pretty busy and don't have much time to update their sketchbooks. I can understand that. I haven't really done too much lately, so not much to update with.

Anywho, here's an update. I finally got a job, and it's full time. However, I'm one that works best with structure, so while I won't have as much time to draw, I'll probably be more focused with the time I do have. I'm also going out on a limb and decided to try the Famous Artists School illustration course. Yeah, they're probably going to go over a lot of basic stuff that I already know and be pretty general. But there's also stuff I don't know, or I know a little but haven't really practiced, that I want to check out. And like I said above, I rather like structure, and it'll be nice to get the feedback. It'll help me get out of my creative rut, get me back to basics and hopefully further than I am now. I'll share some of my exercises as I go, as well as getting back to my torso studies and other anatomy studies.

Good luck, guys! Keep an eye out for more activity, and I look forward to you guys getting more active when you get the chance.:yayca::hugsmile:

[KT]

Well, good luck with the famous artists course Asatira. I hope you get what you want out of it. I think there is an older course by the likes of rockwell, fawcett etc, that you might want to ask them about as well. Anyway, it's okay if you don't update as much, you'll probably be busy but I hope that you'll keep working hard.

[Black Spot]

Congrats on the job and have fun with the course.

Can't seem to load page 6 atm, so I'll check back later if I missed anything.

[Asatira]

Hello, everyone! I hope you all have been well. Me? Obviously not all that well in the art arena. I've been gone from the board for at least two months, and obviously haven't updated my sketchbook since August. Not good.

It's a new year, and symbolically at least a chance to start over. I want 2012 to be the year I get out of the artistic plateau I find myself in. I want to make my anatomy stronger, my figures more dynamic, and to increase the variety of my subjects. I've given myself the challenge of drawing at least one picture a day, based on the theme for the month. My goal is to use this to draw everyday. The theme drawings are meant to be a minimum; I wish to also get more studies done and improve my technique. But I've learned that just learning for the sake of learning isn't really all that fun. But learning to be able to apply what I've learned to a picture I want to do, that is fun and will hopefully lead to more progress.

To finish up the wordy part of this post, I have done all right so far on my challenge. I've been meeting the daily theme drawings (men this month) so far, at least. These helped to drive home to me how much I need to spend more time learning and prepping; I want to spend the last half of the month with drawings that have a little more thought put into them for things like composition. So let's use the last two weeks' worth of images as a benchmark for 2012. And here's to me being more active here again.

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[Black Spot]

Redo the waiter and give him some feet - he has such poise.

[Asatira]

Black Spot: I will definitely try to.

More guys, some of them fanart for a timed daily challenge, and finally some gestures.

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Need to update more regularly.

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A WIP for a piece The Last Unicorn fanart. I want to redraw Molly's face, and figure out how to draw a unicorn.
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[Asatira]

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[Black Spot]

I love the gestures - they are very lively and I do see that coming through into your line work.

[Asatira]

BlackSpot: Thank you!

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[Asatira]

Finished off February, and starting off on March. This month will be most likely be focused on studies and observational drawings than the last two months because the challenge theme is plants, a subject I've wanted to do for a while, but I tend not to focus on too much. (I went to school to be a zoologist first, so while I enjoyed the botany classes, haven't done much else with plants since) So, yeah.

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[Black Spot]

The silhouette works better than the detail. You need to let the light dictate the form on the apples and not a line.

[Asatira]

Black Spot: Yes. I rely on contour too much, probably because I've been avoiding how to do form through value. And texture, too, as you can see below. Lots to work on.

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A little playing around with markers.
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[Black Spot]

I like the bananas. You could do the pitcher plant in the same way as well. If you drew your lines lighter and then worked up to the dark areas you might find it easier.

[Asatira]

Black Spot: Thanks. The bananas look better looking back. As for building up values, I think I'm learning it a little faster now because I've done so many more from life than I have in the recent past. Still in fits and starts, but learning.

The last few drawings I've been doing have had me branch out a little more than I have in the past. Played around with colored pencils, and did some pieces on toned and colored paper.

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Hey, sorry I haven't been to your sb in a while, life has been busy. I like the plant theme that your doing, they are a hard subject because of their delicate nature. It's a coincidence seeing you draw that audrey plant as I just watched little shop of horrors a couple day's ago. I don't have much to critique except for the hands being a bit small on your female figures. Sorry if my post is all over the place and I'll check in again soon.

[Black Spot]

They're better on the coloured paper as it takes the place of a mid tone. IF you don't want to push the values you could redraw them in ink in a clean style and see how that looks.

[Asatira]

Black Spot: Ink does work well for me, for multiple reasons. I guess I can't quite shake the linear/B&W approach I picked up from animation and comics. :^^: That said, I do want to learn how to do values, and I'm glad the plant studies helped me to delve more into that.

KT: Thanks for dropping by. Proportions, always tricky.

Anywho, the last few days of March and the plants, which includes some pokemon fanart (they're grass types, they count! :geekg: ), and the start of April's animals, plus some human gestures. That's the only thing I didn't like: I did not do that much studies and gestures outside of the plants. Got to make sure I do that going forward.

Enough talk!

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Nearing the end of April. Unfortunately, I won't be meeting my challenge for the animal drawings this month, but I have been drawing everyday, so that's something.

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[Vritra]

Good to hear you've been drawing everyday, it really helps. Make sure you don't pressurise yourself all the time, though. That can sap the fun away from drawing.

Anyway, I'm really liking the rhythm in the figure studies. I feel you capture it very well. Also, there was a waiter (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1400280&d=1326548665) you posted some time back, really loved that.

On this one (http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1469590&d=1335574441), though, judging from the guy's face, I'd say the light is coming from their right. Which means there should be a lot of shadow on the high-neck the girl is wearing. Yeah, sorry, I'm nit picking. Good luck with keeping up to your schedule, and keep updating this sketchbook.

[Black Spot]

I like the bulls. I think it's because there is more variation on the edge lines. Even if you still want to draw outlines, more variation in weight will speak louder than no variation. You know I only nit pick as well to hopefully help.

[iven]

I really really like your SB, everything in it, I also like your hand studies
at page one, you like Disney a lot I can tell on the last page.

[hala]

your control over your pencil lines has definitely improved. I've noticed too you have a knack for subtle expressions, that's awesome! I'd try to be loser in some of your finished/clean works though. Your gestures have such grace to them, you lose that a little in some of fleshed out characters. Also, glad to see you setting goals too, keep at it!!!

[Asatira]

April? April?! Long story short, lost a job, hunted for a job, got a job teaching again. Big attention and time sink. No art. Man, I hate being inconsistent.

A few random pieces that I liked, and some warm up gestures from this month.

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[Asatira]

Stuff from last week or so. Includes a blue pencil study of a character by William Joyce made from one of his books.
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Some stuff from earlier in the month. I have more, but I haven't scanned. (and it's mostly gestures, so kinda boring)

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[Adam@Lyme]

Very nice gestural drawings.

[Black Spot]

Love the mug sketches - nice and loose with volume.

[Asatira]

Black Spot, Adam@Lyme: Thanks.

Work. Glad to have it, but teaching takes up a lot of time and energy. Just a couple of sketches from a recent natural history museum visit. Pen drawings of a Northern Gannet, some dinosaur skeletons, and a number of mammal skulls.

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[Black Spot]

Love these and the way you've captured the essence of each object.