EOW 110 the Bad side of the city

[chaosrocks]

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Eow 110 the Bad side of the city

Brief

Every City has those neighborhoods into which you really don't want to go. I want to see these. I am intentionally not specifying a tie period or a location. It could be the back streets of cheapside in victorian london, the Subura in Imperial Rome. The uncomfortable part of of any modern city... the abandoned neglected part of a future city....


DUE April 13th 2009
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[halvarado]

I will have to think on this - a few ideas come to mind. Now to just find the time to finish one....

thanks for the topic.

[ashton]

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/ashtonsimmonds/eow110-rough.jpg

[MarkDN]

*splurge* Hopefully this will turn out to be the bad side of some kind of city.
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Hmm. Suggestions welcome.

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[darkwolf29a]

I will have to think on this - a few ideas come to mind. Now to just find the time to finish one....

thanks for the topic.

Working on this one myself. :) I have a few ideas for it. Hopefully, I'll come up with something. :) I'd really like to be more involved around here.

[h2rra]

Great topic! Mark, cool start, atm feels too nice for a bad place :D

Did some thumbs, I'll probably go with the 2nd one

http://www.juhkov.com/pildid/eowbadplacethumbs.jpg

[thescala]

well can i take the first one then...

[NateShaw]

alchemy sketch

[MarkDN]

h2rra - ooh kick ass. Yeah, your thumb#2 has a really nice grimey vibe though #1 could also totally be made to work.

Yeah, I haven't got the colours right yet. Man, I'm itching to carry on with it now. Grr... must wait a few hours.

NateShaw - oo, that looks war torn like a bad part of the world, let alone the city.

Ashton - looks like you're going for a kind of derelict under the bridge dockside kinda place. Looking forward to seeing where it goes next.

halvarado/thescala/darkwolf29a go on then! ;)

[Djinn]

NateShaw, not only is that a great start, but it just introduced me to Alchemy. Wow, this program is AWESOME, thank you! I've been trying to force myself to be looser, and this program is a lot like how I usually doodle (draw random marks in an area and find something in the chaos) so I think once I figure out a method in this madness it'll be a regular part of my concept routine. =)

--Update--
Here's my first alchemy sketch with a purpose. This was done after messing around/experimenting with the program for probly an hour.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/wolveeberserker/djinn_BadSideOfTown_sketch.jpg


---Update---
And a midnight post before I go to bed. I'm so slow!
Not very experienced in environments either, so heres hoping I can finish my first EOW!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/wolveeberserker/djinn_BadSideOfTown_sketch2.jpg

[Vulgar`]

Topic = filthy. (A good thing)

[Hideyoshi]

Neat topic fosho!

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd97/HideyoshiR/Alley_s.jpg

[Djinn]

hideyoshi ...wow. O_O Can I ask how long you think you worked on that? And is there any chance you might be able to send me a link to your WIP-progress? I always love your pieces and I'm curious how they come together. Either way, that's really awesome, the cat seems to contrast just a tad too much with it's surroundings, perhaps this was intentional though, since the cat seems to pull together the sense of foreboding.

Well, EOW is quite a different experience than CHOW haha, in CHOW theres a new WIP every 3 seconds, while EOW seems slightly more solitary. But being new as I am to the Environment scene (pun not intended), I was hoping for some crits and feedback.

I'm taking some advice I read on CA recently, I'm really making myself take my time to try and make a really solid foundation, maybe I'll end up just working it BnW all the way through. Doing a lot of experimenting and a lot of reading, really trying to learn a lot through this process.


next WIP:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/wolveeberserker/djinn_BadSideOfTown_WIP1.jpg

[ashton]

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo7/ashtonsimmonds/eow110-wip02.jpg

[Mishkin275]

Here's something in-progress... Used some background photos that are just sort of temporary, and a bunch of textures for the graffiti and concrete.

Looks like everyone was on the same page this time; lots of perspectival approaches.

Yours is rockin' Hideyoshi!

http://www.tgarretteaton.com/illustration/images/city_v3.jpg

[hallo]

hideyoshi, mishkin: neat stuff.

wish i had more time for this, hope it's not too simple/sketchy/rough. I like it that way though. Final:

http://fbrccn.notmybiz.com/web/eow_110_hallo.jpg

http://fbrccn.notmybiz.com/web/eow110_icon_hallo.jpg

[Hideyoshi]

Djinn: it took around 3.5 hours. Sorry, I didn't save any steps for this one.
It was basically all painted and blocked in without doing any line drawing (thats usually how I work) using a few textures also.

mishkin looking good!

[The Severed Wrist]

Man it's beautiful! Fantastic! Lovely amosphere.

[MarkDN]

*poke poke*

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[manimatron82]

Mark: that looks awesome.

Hoping I can get in on this round. It's slow at work this week, so I might be able to finish this time...

[Martheart]

Nice Hideyoshi! I'm gonna try this topic, any crits?

[ArtbyWard]

heres my wip, comments appreciated!

[h2rra]

Hideyoshi: Sweet!
Mishkin: Nice start but needs some action. Put some bumfights in there or something :teeth:
MarkDN: Starts to look great!
Arthemis: Everything is kinda the same value. I made a very quick overpaint (http://www.juhkov.com/pildid/overpaint.jpg) to show what I would do.
IceMoon: That really is a bad side of the city!

I scrapped the thumbs and started painting something that doesn't make sense

[manimatron82]

IceMoon: the epic size is awesome

wip/speed paint. I'm not really feeling it. I'll probably start over tonight rather than trying to salvage it...

[geronimo66]

Okay, we'll call this try number 2 since I didn't quite make the dead line on CHOW 153... but after doing some research on this I came up with this....

I took bad part of the city to mean those who suffer in the slums around the world, often within sight of rather lavish dwelling... I

I am having a lil bit of a hard time since I don't really have a work flow, or anything... I don't know much about under painting or over painting, or really any commonly used methods... so I want to push hard and learn. Please crit. and if possible point me to any good digital painting tuts showing workflows...

THANKS!!!

[Martheart]

@h2rra: Thank you so much for the paintover!! I was really struggling with this drawing, how to give it more depth and atmosphere. You gave me very useful advice and I will give it a try!

[MarkDN]

h2rra: oooh dude. I like. Strong vibes of Jaisalmer. Do you know it? If not, I super-strongly recomend an image-search, it'd be a rich source of inspirational ref for your piece.

Hideyoshi: Not somewhere to hang around at any time of day!

I have a bit of a problem with this topic - or maybe it's a problem with myself - which is that these places we're coming up with all look super-interesting, like the kind of places I'd definitely want to visit and bust out my sketch pad because of the cool atmosphere and view.

hmmm.



Mark – gonna be cycling home through some bad areas of London for reference tonight.

[manimatron82]

Didn't totally scrap it, but still not loving it. Still too cluttered and lacking a focal point, I guess. Meh.

[ArtbyWard]

I'm finished I guess :) (edit: well maybe not, maybe be the middle part has to much contrast? Does anyone have tips on how I can create a more realistic sense of depth?)

[Zakarra]

IceMoon - I love the concept on this image. It's kind of scary actually, I guess that's why I like it so much.

But I see what you mean by depth. The main thing is that the foreground pipe and junk city seem like they are a close up drawing of a miniature. I think you could help this by upping the atmospheric perspective.

Add more blue tint near the top of the first tower and fade out the receding towers more with haze. It might be nice to throw on an Overlay layer and see what kind of results you could get with that.

The other thing that might help would be making the lower city look more like a city and not just a pile of junk. I know that it's supposed to be chaotic and unorganized, but there should still be some city-like elements left.

Nice work!

[robmorfin]

Icemoon,

Looking great, make those birds way smaller, they look way too big compared to the ships, piers and structures below, that should help to avoid them from killing the scale.

[The Severed Wrist]

Here's a start for me.

[Ortheza]

My very fast idea

[Rabies]

This is my first EOW here. Actually its my first post on Conceptart. Im relatively new to art and... oh why bother, you'll see. Heres a WIP of my entry. The end scene in "The One" meets a shanty village, meets the Calcutta slum. I need to look up some tutorials on water and metal.

Oh and i used some of Barontieri's brushes, and some other dudes. Do i need to include links in the final entry, or cant i use others brushes at all?

[h2rra]

I think I won't be working on this one anymore because my psd file got corrupted and I lost my mojo. I did spend 2-3 more hours on this piece but all that progress is lost.

Athemis: I'm glad it was helpful
MarkDN: Thanks for the tip! That kind of architecture is exaclty what I wanted to find when I was searching for ref pics!

http://www.juhkov.com/pildid/fakingshithappens.jpg

[Oxide-0]

i think ill work on one as well here is my initial idea, needs refinement its still developing in my head
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[lkjhgfdsa]

so many tight efforts this week... I love this ORG, so much art, so many Ideas...

[darkwolf29a]

Lots of greatness gong on here, indeed. I'm still trying to get mine together. I'm not sure whether it's going to be completed in time, but I'm working on it. We'll see what homework brings this weekend...it keeps getting in the way of everything. LOL

[ArtbyWard]

Thanks guys for al the really helpful comments! This is an awesome round, so many inspiring entries, my favs being: Hideyoshi, H2rra (sorry about your work being lost man :-/ still, beautiful colours) Arthemis and MarkDN.

[Oxide-0]

Thanks guys for al the really helpful comments! This is an awesome round, so many inspiring entries, my favs being: Hideyoshi, H2rra (sorry about your work being lost man :-/ still, beautiful colours) Arthemis and MarkDN.

hey nice pic its really come along i have 1 small suggestion to improve it the ocean disapears on level with the bottom of the second pillar. The ocean would expand back almost until the vanishing point where ocean and sky meet so i think bringing the level of the water up in the BG above the bottom of the second pillar(maybe a CM or 2) would add more depth to the image and that pillar would sit better in the image

[Oxide-0]

comming along hope i can make the deadline:lifedrawing: 643519

[The Severed Wrist]

Changed my idea to new one...

[grenogs]

some nice pieces here so far, though i do have a crit for everyone, so far most images look quite industrial, theres nothing lived in about them, wheres the usually laundry that hangs from the neigbourhood windows, or the usual scragly dog p*****g by a doorway

[BMArchitect]

Coming in late, Ill try and make the deadline. Heres a wip, Ill post some of my prelims a little later.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3045/eow110bmarchitects.jpg

[The Severed Wrist]

Gawd WIP#2 keep thinking of new stuff...i can see the value in planning...good feedback re the 'lived in look',,,hmmm:lifedrawing:

[Djinn]

This is what I've got so far.

I think grenogs is quite right, and I've been trying to decide where to put such... 'life debris'

This is the point in every painting where I tend to lose a bit of steam, that whole "Finishing" part, I don't have much practice in finishing a piece, and I'm still kinda learning how. Theres a few details I've noticed since exporting this pic, the scaffolding/radiotower thing in the top left needs work, and what was originally supposed to be cloth in the bottom right is just horrid. (Also, I was trying not to 'over color' it) Well, here goes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/wolveeberserker/badisdeoftown_color2.jpg

I'm also thinking of tilting the entire thing just a tad and cropping upon finalization to give it that classic "Dutch Angle" look.

[The Severed Wrist]

Rethought mine totally-to have more grunge/lived in look...thanks to Grenogs..cool city Djinn!

[geronimo66]

I get to caught up on details I need to learn a faster workflow... any suggestions are welcome.... please critique.

[Rabies]

Changed the concept a bit. Hope i can make it to the deadline :S

[Djinn]

geronimo66 a couple crits: I think the texture is a little too pronounced, it looks like a texture overlay so I recommend toning it down a bit and (assuming youre using photoshop) learning about the mask tool, here's a tutorial that helped me out (No offense intended by the name, haha)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz387Vy0Ps0
I watched all of this guy's tutorials recently and they're pretty helpful, as he puts it "incredibly useful tools you didn't know you needed until you knew about them"

[geronimo66]

yea, I plan to dumb down the texture and erase it where needed, but have left it in so far as a guide... I need to get lose, but stuff looks like an illustration and not "concepty". :)

Thanks for the link.!!

[The Severed Wrist]

Here's my final-this is where we post them right?

[Nhur]

I have a question, Im noob here, what is the last hour for send the picture?

I know that ends the 13 (tomorrow) but in which hour?

Thanks in advance

[Djinn]

I think this might be my final:
any crits? suggestions? comments? They are very welcome, I want to get better!

[Nhur]

good work djinn,...

maybe with a stray animal like a cat make better the idea of a lonely street.

or two dogs fightings for food,

I think that the ground is very clean, maybe some papers, tins/cans of beer, wine or cokes, and trash in the street would be great, or a grafitti on the wall.

is just some ideas, : S

[Djinn]

Ah, I knew it needed _something_ but couldnt put my finger on it, thanks Nhur! Those are all great ideas.

[engelhardt]

Wow, so many cool ideas and works!!
As I have holiday, I diceded to take part in some activitie here. My interpretation of the topic is a bit different, I hope it still fits. This is how far I came this week. I will make some corections tomorrow, so critique is welcome.

[Rabies]

Wow, so many cool ideas and works!!
As I have holiday, I diceded to take part in some activities...

Looks nice, i think your the only one who managed to capture the entire city :P Usually i would have gone for thicker smoke, but since that would have covered alot of the city, thin is fine. Theres really not an easy way to do pictures like this, you just need a hell of alot of patience. I like the rendering on the buildings up front. Maybe you could make another "red/dark", the rest of the picture seems a bit blank.

Heres mine. A bit rushed since i probably wont have time to work on it tommorow. It could use some more attentention, i would love some critique. Then ill just try to sneek it in between my homework.
Can anybody read the sign? :P

[James Wolf]

hi, so heres my wip for the challenge, I wanted to try a rooftop scene in hopes that the viewer would ponder how awful the streets are if the rooftops are in such poor condition. still working on the details and trying to make the atmospheric elements work but great pieces everyone :D, can't wait to see the finals :^^:

[geronimo66]

doh repost

[chaosrocks]

it ends when I get around to ending it
:P
technically Midnight monday anywhere in the world
which is 8am )or some such tuesday morning)
happy easter
Postingthe final burnin gthread now
moveem on over when you are ready

dont' forget the outside hosted icon
great stuffs

chaos

[geronimo66]

I don't think I am going to make it, but i'll try...

heres a lil wip, beat it up where needed.

[Nhur]

thanks for the info ;)

I will try to make it, But I think that i wont finish this EoW, But I think that I will be very active in this forum ;)

my speedpainting :S yeah a very common Idea XDD

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x258/Nhurartworks/BSOTC.jpg

[The Severed Wrist]

I don't think I am going to make it, but i'll try...

heres a lil wip, beat it up where needed.

Hey Geronimo66! I think the road could be knocked back some. It's overshadowing the figure IMHO

[chaosrocks]

ok geronimo, this is obviously a composite, and pertinannt to the post above, remember that this is an environment, so the character must be totallly periferal to the sceene. Also the cars are all late model , shiney and new. this is a weird disconnect withthe topic. Be sure your image hasn't lead you away fro the topic... too far

[chaosrocks]

icon icon icon!

[MarkDN]

Daarh gotta go out, I'm out of time and I kinda lost my dirrection in the panic to snatch a last hour or two in an attempt to finnish up :|645480

[Djinn]

MarkDN I really like it, tis a shame you won't have time to really polish it up, but even though some areas are kinda loose I think your idea comes across very well, great perspective and atmospheric lighting work.


I'm racing to put finishing touches on mine, and trying not to overdo anything haha. See you all in the final burning thread!

[manimatron82]

Looks like my icon is broken for some reason. I'll try and fix it tonight.

[yoitisi]

I'm racing to finish something as well! Aaargh

Good point about the icon too, I'd totally forget about it otherwise :P