tyboogie VS Dan Milligan -update- FEB 10th

[Dan Milligan]

Ok here we go. Ty has suggested that the classic 10th century epic Beowulf be our topic… This of course requires me read this piece of work. Being one who’s always looked at reading as a bit of a fad, and thus a slow and poor reader, advantage Tyboogie. Then, just when I’m thinking what a creep Ty is. He suggested we produce a storyboard and key production frame from any part of the story. Hey man that’s my backyard, -advantage Milligan.

Topic: Beowulf

To Produce and deliver on time:

1 8-12 frame storyboard sequence color or white & black (any scene)
1 full color key frame or character study (artist choice)

Peace
Dan
Note to self(must begin working on list of feeble excuses)

[MindCandyMan]

this is a very cool one! I can't wait to see it...I love the beowulf story!!!

[Evil_Dan]

Sweet! Good luck ty, you're going to need it muahahah! :p

[JoshuaTheJames]

Dan,

You are really going to be glad you read this story. It is amazing and just plain cool.

-Joshua

Btw Ty, Good idea!

[Dan Milligan]

Hey Ty,

I'll try to post wip as I go, but again it can be optional. Gonna pick up a copy of Beowulf this week. Wish me luck.

Peace
Dan

[tyboogie]

evildan--i dont need luck--i just need to find that genetically enhanced drawing serum i seem to have misplaced *goes and digs through garage* muhahaha


there are a number of translations out there, and some are more of a struggle than others

the most user friendly version (i.e. up to date modern english) that i have found is this one

http://www.lone-star.net/literature/beowulf/


but the books out there are good too--if your really passionate about it you could read a couple versions--and i believe they have a cliff notes version which s really cool too

ill post work as i do it --itll be a few weeks tho before i start

[bwkeough]

I hope you don't mind if I suggest supplemental reading:

Michael Crichton wrote a book called "the Eaters of the Dead" which was an account of Beowulf and Grendel from the point of view of an arabian scribe who accompanied them. This book was made into the Antonio Banderas movie "the 13th Warrior" which was just ok. Try to find the copy of the book with black and white illustrations by Ian Miller, as they are most excellent.

[Muttonhead]

Try to find the copy of the book with black and white illustrations by Ian Miller, as they are most excellent.

WHOA! Ian miller illustrated "Eaters of the Dead"? I MUST FIND THAT!

Great topic BTW, I absolutely love Beowulf. I illustrated several scenes from it as an assignment back in college, so I will be interested to see your interpretations!

Good luck guys!

-Muttonhead

[Dan Milligan]

hey guys, thanks for the encourgement! But lets not forget who your dealing with here. I was kinda hoping that Disney had made it into a movie...crap didn't think so.

Dan

[bwkeough]

ok, now I'm pissed cause I can't find my copy of the Eaters of the Dead.

I did find my copy of A Tolkien Bestiary which has lots of Ian Miller illustrations that are very similar.

I don't want to hijack your thread more than it is already, so here's a link to the image file:

barrow-wights (http://nand.net/~keough/barrow_wights.gif)

[Dan Milligan]

bwkeough- thanks those are great. all kidding aside, i,m really enjoying learning about this piece. thanks ty and thanks everyone who's jumped in. This is what CA is all about.



Peace
Dan

[Skank]

hey dan, if you dont want to read the novel, theres a graphic novel out for it!! http://www.thecomic.com/thecomic/beowulf.htm

this is a great topic guys, cant wait to see what you 2 come up with!

cheers!

(and dan, im drinkin canada's BEST beer IMO, moosehead!!! as i type!) :chug:

[Rusty Red Robot]

If you want a good hardcopy of the book with an excellent translation, check out the edition translated by Seamus Heaney. It's not expensive, and is a good read. It also has the Old English on the page opposite of the translation, which is kinda cool. This is the second translation I have read (both that I read having been recommended by proffessors), and I liked this one best.

[Sammy]

I'm just here to cheer for my boy-eeeee!!

Tyboogieboog, CUT THIS MAN OPEN!!!!




oh, Ty I found that genetically enhanced drawing serum of yours... there were some gaps in the sequence so I filled 'em with frog genetics... think it'll be ok?

[tyboogie]

thx sammy--btw--could you splice in some ill tempered sea bass as well? thanks so much.

im reading the seamus heaney translation that RUSTY mentioned and its quite good thank you!

[Dan Milligan]

All right, getting my feet wet here. costuming still has to be researched better... just felt like drawing. Added some Grendel ideas -

http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept%20images/beowulf01.jpg

Painter 8

Peace
dan

[cartoonfox]

wow!!! thats a sketch?? enter that, you'll win again :D

...well, maybe not, but i love it.

you big guys make it look all too easy!!!!


i'll be keeping my eye on you two. should be a killer battle!!

[Diego]

Hey Dan,
Really nice topic you`ve choosen, As fas as i know beowulf made his fame by killin certain dragon.....
Cristopher Lambert did a futuristic version but i think isn´t worthy for reference...

Therefore it`s comig along nicely

Good Luck

-Diego

[Rusty Red Robot]

Well, Beowulf's initial fame was won by killing Grendel, the monster that was continously attacking King Hrothgar's village/town and meadhall. Beowulf then (immediately after) slew Grendel's mother, the Sea Hag. Years later, when Beowulf was King in his homeland, his people were beset by a dragon. Beowulf died while killing the dragon.

[MindCandyMan]

Looks awesome so far!!! Love the pose! Let's see some response tyboogie.

[tyboogie]

kick ass drawing dan

well im about to go away for a couple weeks--and wont have access to a scanner or web space --but ill post work when i get back from holiday vacation

[Dan Milligan]

Have a great Holiday Ty!! see you in the new year.

Peace & Love
Dan

[Fipse]

Just a little help for research:

Angelcynn (http://www.angelcynn.org.uk/)

Hope the battle of you two will have the epic quality of the poem ;)

Fipse

[Dan Milligan]

thanks Fipse- The more help the better- I"m gonna need it.

Peace
Dan

[Aven]

I just saw your updated 'sketch' Dan. Really fucking nice. Damn, if you need help then we are all doomed :)

I just can't to see your final.

[THE LOCKER]

mr.milligan,

those are some awesome sketches,I especially like the grendel pic,really awesome. I can't wait to see the finished peice...

THE LOCKER

[Evil_Dan]

Love those sketches! Have you done any comic book work before? Your drawings really remind me of john buscema but with more movement.

[Dan Milligan]

Hey Evil, No comic work, just a storyboard hack trying to get better and break some bad habits. Thanks for the nice compliments.

P.S.
My kids think your handle is the best -EVIL DAN-

[MindCandyMan]

Oh no...no tyboogie or dan stuff till after the holidays...I'm gonna go through withdrawal.

[Dan Milligan]

More stuff, I have to admit I didn't know if I'd like this topic. Great story, Having fun.

http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept%20images/beowulf02.jpg
Painter 8

Dan

[MindCandyMan]

:clapping2 :clapping1 :xx:


can't wait to see these painted!!!!

[bRyaN]

It really shows you are having fun...the sketches are full of energy...

Looking forward to the final images...

[I.was.ink]

This thread is freaking rocking. :thumbsup:

But where's tyboogies stuff?

iwasink

[bwkeough]

Dan, great work with Beowulf. He started out kinda "Conan" but he's turning into his own person. I really like your Grendel interpretation, too. Wonderful movement in all of them.

[TARGETE]

Damn good work Dan,

Dynamic sketches, your speed is unmatched.

JP

[PhilHolland]

I'll throw a cheer towards Dan's way.

Good stuff. Extremely dynamic.
Something a lot of art is missing nowadays.

Phil

[endregan]

great sketches!!

cant wait to see this one!

[AmadorL]

These are amazing Dan, you work is fun to look at and very inspirational.

I will be just like you one day
:chug:

Amador

[Dan Milligan]

Thanks all,

Thinking about all those life drawing classes where I should have been paying more attention... youth wasted on the young.

http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept%20images/beowulf03.jpg
Painter 8

[Aaross]

Keep' em coming my friend, you'll have enough for a book before this Thunderdome is over, looks like you're having way too much fun.

Fab stuff as usual.

[Aven]

I have to admit that the sketch with Beowulf ready to stab at Grendel (second pic), is just awesome. So much energy and motion with just a single pic. This dual is going to seriously rock the house.

[MindCandyMan]

sheesh amazing!

[MGH]

Why, if it isn't the mysterious supersurfer, Aaross. Ah yes I remember back in the day before his horrible dis-figuring accident, when he collided with that Polish sugar freighter while wind-surfing the dangerous 'Redpath Straights', that He used to frequent these forums. Perhaps we may see his like again? Perhaps....
Nice stuff Dan. Tyboogie, I think you'd better git sketchin'.

[young paddy1]

Amazing fluid motion in all of the action sketches, the characters really interact well.

Your interpretation of Grendel reminds me a little of the cave troll in LOTR, but Tolkien did base his writing on Beowulf so there should be some similarity between the characters.

[Rusty Red Robot]

Mr. Milligan, your sketches rock! I love the look of your Beowulf.

If you don't want to read the story, here are some quick points:

Beowulf decided to grapple with Grendel hand to hand, and tore Grendel's arm off. Grendel ran away, but bled to death.

Grendel's mom (the Sea Hag) attacked to take vengeance, and Beowulf followed her to her underwater den, and killed her with a sword (though the blade melted because of her acid blood).

Then, finally, Beowulf (as an old man) slew the dragon, but I'm hazy on the details as to how.

[Dan Milligan]

Hey Rust,

You are gentleman and a scholar sir. I got the arm thing, you think cutting Gendels arm off with the sword is changing it too much as apposed to ripping it off. You know, artistic licence. .

Thanks again everyone,

Dan

The more I look at that last drawing the more it bugs me…. Oh well

[davi]

*fap fap fap fap*

[bhuddistmonk]

hey, your rendition of Grendal reminds me of the Drenai from War3: Frozen Throne, anyway, the second to last sketch is kind of hard to tell whats happening, but otherwise they are perfect. good job!

[liquidwerx]

Really looking forward to the outcome of this here battle. Good luck to you both. :)


~Malachi

[Rusty Red Robot]

Actually, I'm digging the sword thing. I'm a fan of bladed weapons, and was almost dissapointed when I read that Beowulf didn't use one (a long time ago). Now I'm just fond of the image of Beowulf beating Grendel with his arm :D But like I said, I'm digging the sword. And I'm all about artistic license. Can't wait to see more!

[Dan Milligan]

OK. looks like Beowulf is gonna have to rip Grendels arm off . It's kind of an important aspect of the story. Anyhow here's some of my storyboard frames. Got to condense the scene because we're going try and do this in 8-12 frames. More to come.
http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept%20images/sheetf01.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept%20images/sheetf02.jpg
Painter 8


Dan

[dfacto]

Grabs arm? Aren't you forgetting the next one where Grendel bites off Beowulf's leg and slams him into the ground with his arm? Totally Awesome work otherwise, hope i can achieve that someday.

[Loga4]

Awesome!

[Speed3D]

Do I detect a hint of John Buscema influence in your sketches, or am I imagining things?

[Phuzion]

Damn fine work! I love storyboards! You've got a great sense of action in these panels. Props and hats off to you sir!! Peace

[Rusty Red Robot]

Fantastic! Love the storyboard stuff! What tool do you use in Painter to make the sketches?

Oh, and what made you change your mind about the sword versus hand-to-hand?

[Dan Milligan]

Rusty- The pencil I use is one I've built to suit my likes. Generally speaking it's a pencil with a subcategory set on grainy hard build up and then some fine tuning from there. It's probably the fourth or fifth generation of my sketching pencil.

Beowulf decides to fight Grendel unarmed because Grendel is unarmed. (No pun intended) Also the poem talks about how in awe Grendel is with Beowulf's grip.

Speed- Your the second person to say that my junk has a John Buscema look to it. Can't say I've honestly used him as an influence, but I'll take the compliment!! Thanks so much.


Peace out
Dan

[davi]

insanely awesome. i suspect your grendal has cotton mouth, being that he never seems to close it

[N D Hill]

Very cool! I love the motion and drama of it all. You do an excellent job of transitioning which makes perfect sense when put the pannels into context with eachother.

[MindCandyMan]

Fantastic Dan!!!

[Mad Giraffe]

eh?...where did tyboogie go?

[Evil_Dan]

Ty is away for the hollidays.

Dan: great stuff as usual.

[Dan Milligan]

Picked up Photoshop CS just before Christmas. Just started painting in it. I think I like it. Anyhow just playin'

http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept%20images/beowulf04.jpg
sketch in Painter 8 colours Photoshop CS

Peace out
Dan

[ClocktowerArtworks]

damn dan...your work is everything i loved about comics as a kid...perfect action and motion...really feels like the kubert bros. taken to a higher level...with a little buscema and romita hangin in there. i'm really enjoying this thread...so much that i'm thinkin about reading beowulf. really nice stuff. thanks for sharing it.

[MindCandyMan]

oh yeah!

[stormeffex]

man dan, i love your stuff. it's uber duber good :D

[bRyaN]

AH HA!! i knew that your sketching style was hitting the spot somewhere in my brain meats...

it has a more lively Joe Kubert flare to it...very energetic...i couldn't place myfinger on it until someone mentioned comics...

keep it up...

[Skank]

yup, i also think dan's forms are cleaner and more concise than kuberts tho, i have alot of respect for what joe kubert has done, but ive never much cared for his work.

keep it up dan, youre inspiring us all!!!

[Dan Milligan]

More fun with Photoshop

http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept04/beowulf05.jpg

Dan

[MindCandyMan]

more more more...awesome

[redehlert]

hey dan,

after all is said and done, would you mind offering a tutorial on how you execute your final rendering from sketch to full?
you're an inspiration for sure.
one more thing, what is one thing you have found to be a boon to how you work in photoshop CS versus photoshop 7?
cheers!
d

[Dan Milligan]

Hey red
I guess I could put together a tutorial at some point although it makes me a little nervous, you see I’ve got a lot of bad drawing habits I’m trying to get past. But I will post something in the near future it you think it would help. As far as Photoshop compared to Painter? I don’t really know to much about Photoshop. These are literally the first pieces I’ve ever done in Phototshop. I promised myself I’d try to learn it this year. From the little I’ve done today and yesterday I’d say I like it but it still feels a little “cold” to me. What I mean by that is Painter has a very natural feel to it. Especially when it comes to sketching I think Painter natural brush are unmatched…*imho

*When ever I mention how much I like Painter, Photoshop diehards jump in and tell me what a piece of crap it is. Same happens when I say great my Macs are. Please be kind.

Thanks everyone for the generous comments.

Here’s one more

http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept04/beowulf06.jpg

Peace
Dan

[davi]

painter4life.


and great stuff.

tyboogie i'm still waitting for a sample from you :]

[redehlert]

hey dan,

thanks for the post.
yes, i'd sincerely appreciate a 'how dan does it' or 'mull this over' on how you work whether within photoshop or painter. the latter i'm relatively foreign to, but am quite adept at photoshop (and always learning something new).
and it's mac, alldaway.

cheers and happy new year!
d

[Dan Milligan]

I’m looking pretty slammed this month so I had to finish this off now. Hope that’s Ok ty. Really looking forward to your vision. I think my storyboards a little tooo “Hollywood”. Its challenging to derive an action scene from a thousand year old poem. Decided to do a study of Beowulf as my colour piece just because I’d drawn so many action poses. Felt like I needed at break from the movement.

http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept04/wulf05.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept04/wulf01.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept04/wulf02.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept04/wulf03.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept04/wulf04.jpg

Peace
Dan

[Skank]

wow

very nicely done dan!
its great to see how a pro handles these kinds of things, gives us all a great insight to how things SHOULD be

GL to ya Ty! this one should be great!!!

:chug:

[bwkeough]

wow great work dan, I really enjoyed the evolution of this project. Grendel's severed arm looks just like meat in Beowulf's hand-- utterly believable.

[redehlert]

Yes, Dan...this is work to attain inspiration from!
Were your ink lines done digitally or traditionally?
The study carries the story quite nicely and I really like the pose and values of the work.
Bravo!

Cheers,
D

[el coro]

good god. ty better come with some crazy shit to equal that onslaught of beautiful work. dan i love you.-c36

[I.was.ink]

I love you too!:eek:

I kept getting more and more excited as I scrolled down. and in the end,ohhhhh man...what a beautiful finish.

I freakin love this!:love:

iwasink

[samwell]

Fantastic work Dan.

(BUMP)

[MindCandyMan]

Ok cool I'll go get my grendel suit and we can film this dan....alright alright you can be beowulf...

[Dan Milligan]

Thank you friends.

red- I sketch with a digital pencil created in Painter 8.

I've also posted a step by step of this piece. it's kind of lame but have a look.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=150079#post150079

Peace
Dan

[Rusty Red Robot]

Sorry for being repetetive, but that's fantastic! I love the storyboards and the study! And thanks for posting the step-by-step thing. I love seeing how great artists work.

[MindCandyMan]

awesome man...looks saweeet

[Midnighter]

Um, first things first Dan... excellent work, love the style, love the pace and just about everything about this piece. And I know you're going to say "just about? what's wrong?" Well here's the thing, I've been looking at how Beowolf rips Grendel's arm off and well...it doesn't look like (to me) you could actually rip someone's arm from the socket like that. I mean if I was to just dislocate someone's arm from their socket I'd have to have a great deal of leverage, and Id' have to put one foot on the person's armpit and pull. There are other ways to dislocate a person's shoulder but I only used the one I mentioned because it's the most feasable means I can think of that Beowulf would be able to rip out Grendel's arm.
But hey I could be wrong, in which canse completely ignore my post.

[Skank]

Originally posted by Midnighter
Um, first things first Dan... excellent work, love the style, love the pace and just about everything about this piece. And I know you're going to say "just about? what's wrong?" Well here's the thing, I've been looking at how Beowolf rips Grendel's arm off and well...it doesn't look like (to me) you could actually rip someone's arm from the socket like that. I mean if I was to just dislocate someone's arm from their socket I'd have to have a great deal of leverage, and Id' have to put one foot on the person's armpit and pull. There are other ways to dislocate a person's shoulder but I only used the one I mentioned because it's the most feasable means I can think of that Beowulf would be able to rip out Grendel's arm.
But hey I could be wrong, in which canse completely ignore my post.

hes got him in a joint lock from behind, it looks to me like hes got his shoulders acting as the leverage point to just haul off and pop that sucker outta there.

[Dan Milligan]

Thanks skank- that was kinda the idea. According to the poem, Beowulf has this legendary strength.

Mid- you're absolutely right, and believe me I thought about the logistics of this move. The problem was trying to keep this scene to 12 frames. Normally a scene like this in a feature could contain 50, 60, 70 frames maybe more. I just wanted to give it a beginning and end, with a variety of shots and lensing that made it interesting to look at.

Peace out
Dan

[Evil_Dan]

Great stuff dan, esp the storyboards! just one question..
I've been trying to get work done with painter 8 for a while but i cant get over the fact that while zoomed out all of the lines aren't anti-aliased. How do you work around it? do you work at low res and on 1:1 ratio? It seems that this would effect guys who work with delicate lines like you do more than say someone who uses paint more.

[dns2k]

awesome!

-dns

[Midnighter]

You know dan since I wrote the post I've been knocking around the idea of hoow i might look as I mentioned and I was wondering something; if I drew up a sketch as a possible panel, keeping every other panel the same of course, maybe you might consider my suggestion?
Also skank, I think I understand where you're coming from but the joint lock rotates the arm out of the socket, which requires quite a bit of force, and I'm saying that yes I've read the Beowulf tale before and yes he does have superhuman strength but I'm entertaining the possiblity that grendel is acting against Beowulf ripping out his arm, what I suggested would dislocate an arm regardless of whether or not the intended victim was struggling since it pulls the bone straight out of it's ball socket. Oh yeah, before I forget Skank, I appologize if I seem defensive, actually, I appreciate being called on things like this; especially since I know there a great chance I could be wrong.

[redehlert]

Originally posted by Dan Milligan

red- I sketch with a digital pencil created in Painter 8.
I've also posted a step by step of this piece. it's kind of lame but have a look.


Hey Dan,

Thanks for the tutorial - most helpful!
A digital pencil...mind sharing your media options (size, opacity, angle, et al.)?
I'm good at creating brushes in Photoshop and storing them for future use...I guess I'm just overwhelmed by the options in Painter - takes up a lot of screen real estate, but I read that users of Photoshop will feel more comfortable using Painter 8 than previous versions since they are trying to give a similar feel from an interface point-of-view. Do you feel this is the same for you, Dan, but vice versa?

Cheers!
D

[redehlert]

not knowing the fine details of this particular thread re: arm dislocation and dismemberment from sheer physics (force, weight, gravity, torque), but i can tell you that out of all of the ball and socket joints in your body, the humeral head and the glenoid fossa of the scapula is the weakest of the bunch. the glenoid fossa is very shallow, which is why the arm can do so many motions like flexion, extension, abduction, adduction, rotation, etc. compare this to the acetabulum (aka vinegar cup) of the pelvis which receives the head of the femur (thigh bone) which is deep and well formed to allow certain motions, but only within a particular range. this ball and socket joint is much harder to dislocate than the humerus and scapula.

so....that arm rip out is very plausible from an anatomic point-of-view.
whew....nuff said.

cheers,
d

[prostate sunrise]

just wanted to say that is some sick, sick art you have there bro. truly inspiratinal stuff.

[Dan Milligan]

Thanks for all the interest guys. This is what I love about these forums, Lots of great advice and opinions. Always keeps me thinking.

Evil- Your right, zooming in and out in Painter can cause that problem. I try to keep my image on screen at 100% or 50%. Seems to be smooth at those percentages. Basically it takes some getting use to, not the best answer, but I found I’ve grown accustom to it.

Midnighter- Never apologize for stating your opinion. This is exactly the type of issue that could be brought up in pre-production meetings etc. Thanks for jumping in.

Red- Holy crap, you’re on my team from now on! Your understanding of anatomy is staggering. I still think noggin is the correct term for head. The Painter 8 interface is very much like Photoshop 7 or CS. Much more streamlined. I think the key to understanding Painter is to use straight out of the box and then slowly start to experiment with settings. Like I mentioned in my little demo, try to work in a traditional frame of mind and make Painter work to those needs. You'll find the answers. Painter is an amazing and powerful app. Here’s an screen grab of my pencil settings. I change certain setting depending on the effect I want. i.e. If I’m working on a course paper I may adjust the “grain setting” to fill in the paper grain more. Once you begin to play around you’ll realize how much sense it all makes. I’ve just starting messing with Photoshop CS and I find it awkward and frustrating, but I know that because it’s new to me. Just have fun and keep asking questions.



http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept04/pencilsettings.jpg

Peace
Dan

[stalker]

hi dan,

your storyboard art is amazing! hardly know better boards than these. Your composition is very convincing! Indeed it has this hollywood-touch, but perfecty executed, you just have to check out some work on the famousframes-site to see that this is top notch!
My question is, why you chose the 1:2 ratio,(sorry for being that curious) instead of 1.85 or 2.35?

another question is, what time do you need for one frame?

great,great...

[Lono]

dan,, that is amazing!

-Lono

[redehlert]

Hey Dan,

Happy to be on your team with anatomical input - it's my medical illustration background (Master degree and what I do for a living). Feel free to inquire any time!
I do believe I'll be making a purchase of Painter 8 and giving it a go - thanks so much for the pencil build screen shots! Your interest in sharing information is most appreciated!

Cheers!
Dave

[strych9ine]

Sweet holy shit. These storyboards are amazing.

[Dan Milligan]

stalker- I keep a bunch of frame templates on my harddrive, various ratios. I thought i was grabbing a 1:85 when I built the page. Oh well.(has anybody noticed the original transcript of Beowulf in background of each storyboard page?) Those frames took me roughly 15 minutes each.

Thanks
Dan

[tyboogie]

great work dan ....i do indeed have my work cut out for me

i wish i had seen more culture in there--(more ref) thts my only crit

all in all its really beautiful stuff

im having PC trouble now and other stuff...but ill make the deadline

cheers

ty

[Dan Milligan]

Hey Ty,

Great to hear from you, hope you had a fabulous holiday. The culture and texture is what I can't wait to see from you. I got a feeling that when you post your stuff I'll want to back and start again. Hope you get your PC up and running.

Peace
Dan

PS
Thanks again Ty for the great topic. I really enjoyed it.

[redehlert]

Originally posted by Dan Milligan
I keep a bunch of frame templates on my harddrive, various ratios. I thought i was grabbing a 1:85 when I built the page.

Hey Dan,
Call me a moron (go on....do it) but I feel a little in the dark regarding ratios and would like a URL to go to explaining ratios or, if you have time, just a brief run down of what they are and how you use them.

Peace and chicken grease.
d

[bwkeough]

Dan-
I had not noticed the text in the background, it's very soft in focus and contrast, but I did read the background texture as being like parchment.

[young paddy1]

everything about this work is fantasic, except something nagged at me about the frame where Beowulf swings under Grendel's arm, it looks to me as if he's facing the wrong way because of the pose in the frame previous he should have his head in Grendels pit.

Other than that, the poster effect with the dettached arm is excellent and so are all the action shots.

[talmir]

Respect

[GhostofMacbeth]

Awesome and thanks for the tutorial

[Dan Milligan]

Hey Red-here's a good site to help explain aspect ratios. I have pre-made frame pages i keep on my computer. I draw into them and the frame sizes are different depending on the project. T.V or Film.
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/aspectratios/widescreenorama.html

Thanks for the input paddy. i tried to tell alot in a few frames. Beowulfs on Grendels shoulders and then swings around from front to back holding Grendels arm. Ending up back to back. Hope that sounds believable.

Peace out
Dan

[AmadorL]

there is something really wrong with you Dan have you tried getting help? Maybe the loony ben, i don't know it's just a thought.

-A

[talmir]

where are you guys? I cant wait to see the next thing that will dazzle me senses :D

[mcotie]

Dan - ver'nass. Thanks for showin us the voodoo that yoodoo.

Ty - you better get off of it and get on with it. whew I'm glad I'm not in this one. I feel for you. Good luck. I do look forward to seeing your entry(ies).

Mitch

[Joachim]

Hats off for dan ! You draw like a fluid fuck, whatever that means ;) .....

[Xpressions]

First of all, Dan, this stuff is awesome! Really cool style and really nice staging & framing. What are your primary sources for inspiration? Your favorite storyboard artists?

To jump in on the ripping off arm problem...just a thought. Maybe someone, (redehlert, Midnighter??) can clarify this: wouldn't the muscle, tissue and the sinews pose the largest problem for ripping of the whole arm? Or do we assume that Beowulf's strength is sufficient to rip of all those fibers?

BTW, Dan, I might have missed it, but would your share a little something of your background, esp. your education? cause I just finished a BA of Digital Film Arts and am on the lookout what to do next....

Best regards, Dave :evilbat:

[John]

Just my two €-cents. If my dad saw this movie he'd say "Nah, that guy can't possibly just rip his arm off. I know stuff like that! Believe me, he'd have to..." - you know, stuff like that makes my old man happy. I think storyboard artists and writers work together on that issue to ensure possible inconsistencies. Without people arguing about that, where would StarTrek be today?

edit: Btw. Dan, i think your work is a great example of what loomis wrote about rhythm in a drawing. Way to go!

[tyboogie]

beowulf is a MYTH guys--grendel didnt REALLY exist. beowulf has the strength of thirty men.....

[dfacto]

Obivously Grendel didin't have the shoulder socket integrity of 30 men? Beowulf has an unfair advantage.:confused:

[Skank]

Originally posted by tyboogie
beowulf is a MYTH guys--grendel didnt REALLY exist. beowulf has the strength of thirty men.....

werd..i dont care WHO you are..if 30 guys are pullin on YOUR arm....that mutha is commin OFF!

[MindCandyMan]

werd..i dont care WHO you are..if 30 guys are pullin on YOUR arm....that mutha is commin OFF!

hahahahaha...I'm laughing out loud right now...so funny

[Muttonhead]

Exactly. Does anybody believe that a man dressed in a spider suit can shoot webs out of his hand and fly through the air? Or perhaps, do those who watched Lord of the Rings believe that Armies of the dead can swarm over a battle-field and devour gigantic Elephants like so many scrubbing-bubbles?

Ty is right, Beowulf was a hero of fantasy, the "Super-Man" of his day.

Now, if Beowulf were somehow able to turn Grendel into a bowl of Chocolate Pudding, that might be a little off-character, but ripping an arm off seems well within a strong-man super-heroes' job description.

-Muttonhead

[Skank]

Originally posted by Muttonhead
Now, if Beowulf were somehow able to turn Grendel into a bowl of Chocolate Pudding, that might be a little off-character, but ripping an arm off seems well within a strong-man super-heroes' job description.

-Muttonhead

:rofl: :rofl:
damn..that was funny...

[talmir]

Beowulf (If my memory serves me right) belongs to the knight-sagas series.. A collection of literature that was written by the kelts and vikings. He belongs to a group of men that thought it nothing to tie theyr own entrails around themselves so they would not interfere while fighting, grabbed spears out of the air, whose womens hair could be used as bowstrings and fought ghosts regularly... (sucks in air).

He is the "Comic-hero" of his time. One of many, kind of like spiderman, superman and the incredible hulk to name a few.

[John]

It's good that i've not been into superheroes since the ninja turtles. Ah, those were believable heroes :)

[...]if Beowulf were somehow able to turn Grendel into a bowl of Chocolate Pudding, that might be a little off-character[...] I wanna see that though.

[Dan Milligan]

Hey Mutton,

thanks for reminding me. I forgot to add this final frame.

http://homepage.mac.com/danmilligan/.Pictures/concept04/f05.jpg

Dan

[Skank]

YES!!!
dan....THAT is classic

next frame: *commercial announcer voice*
"Grendel pudding: Its chocolatey GOOD!"

good show

[John]

Dan, that is too cool. Seriously. You're out. Disqualified for coolness. Chocolatey good… Aw man…

[Muttonhead]

Ha Har! Nice work Dan. You must be the Fastest Draw in the West.

-Muttonhead

[talmir]

wow, that was quick

[tyboogie]

ok..back to work..heheh


http://www.subskies.com/fun/puddn.jpg

[Rusty Red Robot]

I'm laughing out loud HARD right now at both Dan and Ty. Seriously funny!

[Dan Milligan]

Xpressions-

I got my training at the Ontario College of Art & Design. But truly you get your real training the big bad world. Storyboarding is all about being super fast and drawing from your head. I can't think on another occupation that has you draw so many different images and different subject matters in a day, month... year whatever.(Of course someone will now correct me.) Problem is that you develop a lot of bad habits and quick tricks. As far as inspiration goes. I can’t think of one in particular. There is so much great art being done in every genre, that I'm inspired by it all, including the art found on these forums. I can't tell you how much I've learned in the year or so I've been hanging around here.

Thanks everyone, I’m glad we’re all havin’ fun.

Peace
Dan

[Joeslucher]

Is Beowolf eating pudding out of a goblet? I can't think of a more Rock N Roll thing to do. Your stuff rocks Dan.

[Bishop Six]

Holy cow! I must jump on the bandwagon here. Your storyboards are super mondo excellent, Dan. Everything I'm thinking has pretty much been said by everybody else already, but the movement in your art here is just fantastic. And that last one with the chocolate pudding... classic.:D

[qstom]

GRR.... I HATE YOU ¡¡¡¡
YOU HAVE THE POWER ¡¡¡¡
hehehehe i am :eek: i am learning very much with you.. THANKS MAN''''

[toram]

Hey Dan,

Your work reminds me a bit of Rosinski's.
He is a polish comic book illustrator and lives in switzerland for the moment . His most common known work is probably the serie 'Thorghal' and ' the Chninkel' , both written by the belgian author Jean Van Hamme.

Anyway , very nice work, nice technique :)
Best of luck
Greetz

[Glenn K]

Excellent drawings Dan!

Once you see the first set of drawings you can't wait to see the next ones. Then you start scrolling and scrolling down, antisipating what will show up next.

Very well done

[TARGETE]

Those storyboards are wonderful Dan, and your color work seems to flow like your drawing.

I enjoy your speed man.

JP

[Scrubbin Bubbles]

I wanna see some of tyboogies stuff. Did I miss something and he dropped out?

[tyboogie]

ive been having fun with the design of grendel. grendel eats orcs for breakfast

anyhoo--ill post storyboards in a day or two

tyler


http://www.subskies.com/fun/beowulf1.jpg

http://www.subskies.com/fun/beowulf2.jpg

http://www.subskies.com/fun/beowulf3.jpg

[BeLi TiGaR]

Grendel - wildest dream of any girl (pic 3)

[Dan Milligan]

Hey Ty,

I agree with Mike. I love the red Grendel. Really really great. This is going to be amazing to watch develop. Keep um coming boogie! I think your Beowulf is looking more authentic then mine. Nice!

Peace
Dan

[benzo]

Very, very cool tyboogie! The double mouth is very interesting. You're putting up a strong fight with Mr. Milligan; I can't wait to see the rest.

And amazing, inspiring work Dan. Once again, you have shown us what it takes to make pro work, and then outdo that!

I think he needs some mead to go with that pudding. There's a bar in town here that makes home-brewed mead... I don't know how common that is but this match is making me thristy for some. I guess its like hot, watered down honey.:beer:

*tyboogie- i just figured out how Beo should take your Grendal down.....I mean, it's pretty obvious how he could cut short his life....

[MGH]

Great stuff Ty. I like the middle batch as well, although I had to chuckle over the first ones. I mean who can hate a monster who loves his mom?

[foane]

hey Dan,
just wanted to say I like your sketches and all, actually I think I like them more than the paintings you did....but that's just my opinion. I was also wondering why you guys do a lot of digital art and never something more traditional?? or am I just not evolving with my time? (I'm actually only 20 years old and studying traditional animation at this time but I really didn't yet experiment a lot with 2d digital painting proggies...)
well, enough said.....never mind me and just keep on doing what you do best!

cheers and good luck in your contest!

[Sammy]

Damn Tyboogieboog! .. that's definately one of the most origional interpretations of Grendel I've ever seen, I can't wait to see where it goes from here!

He's truely frightening

[MindCandyMan]

Awesome tyboogie..you never let us down! I too love the red grendel...fantastic!

[Blind]

I just checked into this thread for the first time... great work from both you guys for sure. I especially like the early sketches that Dan did. So fast looking and sketchy, but so nicely done at the same time. Looking forward to more from Ty as well. Great job, fellas...

[2wocents]

this stuff is coo and inspirational...keep it coming!
pe@ce

[JoshuaTheJames]

Very Fun one.

Tyboogie! Crush the Danner!!!!!!!!!!

:evilbat:

-Joshua

[Hazart]

Dan!

When ever I need inspiration, I come to see your work. Awesome! I'm new in digital painting. Just got PS CS and Painter Classic with Wacom Intuos2. Works pretty well... :)

[HardcorePixxX]

:chug:
great job guys !

[Sancheezy]

Thsi stuff is awesome keep up the good work!

[tyboogie]

hey guys

well just a few days left--i hope all teh contestants start posting great work soon--

heres a few recent sketches

DAN--ive been working on the storyboards, and im having a pretty tough time of it. i cant seem to find that balance between quick dirty drawing that communicates teh scene and a pretty illustration. its seems to lean towrds one end of the spectrum or teh other. for better or worse ill post it soon

and i think im gonan do a painting of grendel in one of these poses

tyler

http://www.subskies.com/fun/beowulf4.jpg


http://www.subskies.com/fun/beowulf5.jpg


http://www.subskies.com/fun/beowulf6.jpg

[Dan Milligan]

Hey Ty,

These look really great. Wonderful confidence as always. As far as the storyboards go, do what you do naturally and you can't go wrong. Make them your own. You have a beautiful drawing style, don't abandon that just because they're storyboards. You've done an amazing job already!

Peace
Dan

[tyboogie]

thanks for the vote of confidence dan--means alot buddy

you set a great example for everyone on this board in regards to art, but also to just being an all around good guy--were all lucky to have you here man--i mean that sincerely and i know everyone agrees..so thanks again :chug:



well heres my storyboard entry --this was a really great experience for me--

grendel painting coming soon

tyler

http://www.subskies.com/fun/beowulf8.jpg


***BIGGER VERSION***
http://www.subskies.com/fun/beowulf7.jpg

[Skank]

very nice Ty!
cant wait to see your painting too!

[Dan Milligan]

Ty

You are too kind sir. I can only pay you the same compliment. I had to remind myself that we “battling” because it always felt more like we were working together on this project. And I love that. Tyler, you out did your self on the storyboards. The thing about doing boards is that it’s as much about directing as it is about drawing. YOU NAILED BOTH! Considering you’re working from a poem, it reads perfectly. You too have taught me a lot and opened my eyes. THANK YOU TYLER.

When your finished your Grendel I’ll send you my files and you can post them together on the ‘finished work” thread. I think they compliment each other.

Peace & love
Dan

[tyboogie]

thanks skank!


hey dan--glad you like the storyboards. I just wish i had done all my work earlier so we could have posted back and forth more and had more interaction that way, but its been a blast seeing your process and finishes from this story

dan your the nicest opponent i could have ever wished to mame:p

tyler

[MindCandyMan]

that sequence is phat tyboogie...I can see it very clearly. I did a couple independent films a couple years ago and this i making me have an itch to do it again. They read really nice...awesome work both of you. Now the rest of the movie!...let's get hollywood to make a GOOD beowulf story based on both of your boards.

[TARGETE]

cool sequences Ty,

think we can get a blow up of some of them..hard to see,

JP

[tyboogie]

hey thanks guys

did you click teh SUPERSIZE link underneath my post? thats a BIG version

[deschamps]

Damn, both of you did an awesome job. I wouldn't know who to vote for! I definately learned something from your thread. Ty, I love the expressive feeling to your drawings, very original. Dan, the fluidity and action in your drawings are amazing.

[tyboogie]

thanks cire--ima big fan of your stuff dude!

heres my grendel pic--still needs some polishing...anythoughts/crits?

http://www.subskies.com/fun/beowulf9.jpg

[Skank]

great work from you Ty! i really like that final of grendel!

this has been an awsome thread guys!

may the best man win!

[Muttonhead]

Wow wow wow. Great work from both! This has my vote for coolest T-Dome pair-up! And both of you are such humble gentlemen-warriors too!

Ty- Final Grendel piece is cool.... (still prefer the other pose personally.... hehe, but it's cool nonetheless.....) Your storyboards, however, are very bold and are my favorite part of your submission.

Dan - What is to say? Highly professional and inspirational storyboards, and a great Beowulf piece. Your work ethic and speed is highly impressive. We should all take a page from your play-book....

[carlo]

Oh my lord. No, seriously guys I'm going to have to send a sniper team to take you two out. Brilliant work gentlemen. Max M get my knives...we have work to do.

[Sakievich]

These are fabulous. I remember Beowolf from high school and remember that it was very visually stimulating, thanks for adding a new layer to it!

[steak-tron]

damn... excellent work from both guys on both fronts.
I bow my hat to you sirs.

you should both destroy the barriers of the arena and cut a bloody swath through the battle field leaving only rotting carcases in your wake.

now lets see ty's grendel fight dan's beowulf! (i kid)

-steak

[Wolverine]

wow excellent work from both contenders. You know what, you could seriously sell this once finished, id buy :)

keep it up

[Aven]

You two are a real inspiration to most amatures wanting to make it somewhere (like me). Not just because your artwork is so damn nice, but because you guys are as well. You are both so friendly and willing to help each other out. This was one of the most interesting TDs to read because of that.

Fantastic finished pieces.

[tyboogie]

hey thx all--glad you peeps enjoyed the battle

i was blown away by everyones work in this tdome!!

cant wait for the next one:chug:

ty