How do you use the downloads / DVDs?

[MassiveDVD]

Hey... just looking for some feedback on how you guys use our demonstrations so we can produce better content in the future.

Do you take notes? Do you paint while a video is running in the background? Do you copy the painting? Do you pick apart the .psd's? Do you value the voiceover or do you just play music and watch the painting progress?

Thanks!
Aaron

[Earendil]

I usually watch it first and look at the process. Then go pick apart the PSD's, play with the layers, and do some copying and take mental notes. The VO is a huge help, and adds great info while the painting unfolds.

Quick question, you use Quicktime, but what's the specific compression you're using?

[Studio Colrouphobia]

I watch the vids once or twice, make mental notes, then I tend to put on the videos in the background whilst I paint.
Picking apart the PDF's is all nice and dandy, but I never really learnt that much from that, I learn more from listening, watching and trying.

I don't copy the paintings of your vids yet though... all of the ones I have are more about the technique of using tools or settings, and I learn more by trying out my own ideas...

This might change with the latest Brachna vid though, as I always sucked at painting snow and rock...

[kraal]

i dont even pay attention to the psd's they are not really helpfull..... i watch through and th VO is real important. I take notes on techniques that i dont know and play video in second monitor as a paint a similaur image

[Wasker]

Do you take notes? Do you paint while a video is running in the background? Do you copy the painting? Do you pick apart the .psd's? Do you value the voiceover or do you just play music and watch the painting progress?


Nope, only mental notes.
Nope, paying full attention while it's running.
Nope, copying is bad for me.
Yes, I check all the stuff I get with my download.
Yes, the voiceover is 35-50% of the video for me.

What I miss in the videos are the references, or atleast some, used by the artists. I appreciated marko's video even more because some pictures of the weapon he was drawing and historical costumes were included in the footage. I believe many(?) people that purchase the videos, have no or little professional knowledge on how to use references correctly. Just including some images you use in the process would help alot.

Another video I loved was Shawn Barbers video because I had very little experience with oils when I saw it and he was very throughout when describing his materials, palette setup and what he was currently doing at the canvas.

I'd also like to hear more on attitude, work ethics and other handy tips and tricks in further videos.

Yeah that's all I can think of now.

[kraal]

just to point out some other videos i like..... all of the ryan church vids from .reason being that they are done in real time so you can follow along beter.... the new series also by by the members of steambot which actually show the production pipe line for that very reason

[Homeless Foxman]

I watch is first without doing anything else, listen to what whoever it is has to say, then I watch a second time and take notes on what he/she is doing and saying, and then I watch it again while making a painting of my own trying to follow what is being done, the second and third time i usually pause and rewind a lot. I also do what was said and pick apart the .psd

Hope that helps.

[paberu]

I usually go through the brushes and psd first to see if anything sticks with me that I can apply to my own stuff. Psd's are really great as you can zoom in and see how the artist deals with surfaces, edges and so on. I usually watch the video a few times after, first time just watching it and other times just having it play in the corner while I work on my own stuff. Voice over is really great!

[Theking78]

I usually look at videos listening to the audio and I take notes of the techniques that are new for me.
After that I focused on the part of the video where this techniques are used.
I found very helpful the .psd file in order to see how the overlay, multiply and other layers works.
I found also very useful the brushes used to make the paint (as for the last one of M.Blonde)

[Studio Colrouphobia]

Yeah, Kraal has an important point. I would love to see more production-pipeline from Massive Black download.
Like how it starts with sketches/thumbs, process of choosing specific over others, going to quick-sketches, any 3d if aplicable, full illustrations and afterworks.

That would be really awesome.

Also, realtime is always interesting, I have mentioned it with the release of coro's vid, though I have the utmost respect for all of the MB people, It is difficult to grasp/get inspiration when one cannot make an assumption of any kind as to how fast one needs to be.
Coro's in particular made me feel like I was watching a squirrel on speed drawing.

Even a small passage showing actual speed would be helpfull, as it gives a sensatin as to how much thought is put behind specific strokes, how quick one can work and so on.

[Ashrumm]

I would have to say the downloads more than anything given me great perspective on what high standard industry work is all about. Second I would say for me personally, I enjoy watching each artist work in their own unique fashion.
I learn most from watching, and seeing how each artist utilizes the tools at their disposal, this is great for picking up tips and techniques that I was completely unaware of.

[Benjamen Christ]

i lean most by watching and listening, i give full attention the first three or four times. The vo is very important, its like a little window into the wonderful twisted world that is ...Massive Black! A lot of the time i just have them playing in the back ground , especially Coro, hes so dreamy! That gun demo left me moist and wanting. i have learned so much from these guys, thank you and keep them coming !


ps. Brushes are always good too!


christ

[archipelago]

yeah the ryan church videos are pretty awesome, that guy is seriously skilled, being able to produce a beautiful artwork in 2 hours whilst talking about his process at the same time.

I wouldnt say it makes all too much of a difference though. With the voice over done afterwards, maybe the artist forgets something he thought about whilst he was painting, but maybe he has more time to think about things to say and not worry about painting and talking at the same time too.

The thing I value the most are the voiceovers, the painting process is a close second though.

[JL.Alfaro]

I wish there was more technical commentary on the process, even though I realize that these aren't "how to use PS or Painter" tutorials, Id like to see some tips or tricks explained while using the software and while illustrating. Sometimes there are places in the video where they do something, use a certain tool, paint with a certain setting that goes unmentioned.
Carlos Cabrera did a couple of videos entitled "watch and learn" (http://www.carloscabrera.com.ar/tutorials/)
which I learned a few things from even though it has zero voice over or music. This is specially cool for a noob like myself, who is trying to learn in every which way possible.

Another thought; On almost all the videos, the fellas start their commentary by saying " this is not the way I usually work..", well I might be speaking for myself but, I would love to see how these guys "usually work" like..dont really care if its a three or four part video series.

thanks

[MassiveDVD]

Thanks for the feedback guys... and please keep posting here. I'll definitely include some real time supplemental material for the demos that go at ultra-speed. The early portion of Whit's latest demo was only sped up about 2x... so you can just adjust the playback settings in Quicktime to get an approximation of real time.

[archipelago]

I would pay for only voice overs with no video, and just the artist talking about art in general.

I would probobly consider the ones with video and painting processes much more valuable, but only audio would be alot easier to make, and you could probobly pump out alot, like a podcast or whatever.

stuff like this could complement the video releases rather nicely I think :)

Half the stuff artists talk about in videos are usually non relevant to the painting in the video anyway (not saying that that is bad at all) so why not take stuff like that and make a podcast type thing?

[bbwolf]

Untill now I bought:

Jason Chan, Quick Sketch
Jason Chan, Painter Sketch
Whit Brachna, Environment Design
Andrew Jones, Fine Art Series, Volume 1


I found the videos very helpfull but kinda lacking the information I´am looking for.

Usually I play them once and look and hear closely. Then I play it
and start working to it. Then I often just loop it and let it play in the bg to
just let it sink in.

I find the psd files most helpfull. To me they often help making more sense
to what the tutor is doing on screen.

However, I find it pretty hard to locate the gems I am looking for in the
movie. Namely the way PS or Painters is used. I often go frame by frame in QT to see what brush/setting/action was just used. The general VO provides great insisghts in the thoughts of the artists in terms of painting dynamics, and stuff but, alas, nothing or very few, of the more technical side of the "How".
These questions seem to be kinda forgotten, because the artists do not need to think about them anymore.

I´d be VERY gratefull for a tutorial were the process isn´t sped up and the VO is commenting on the actual tools and their settings and how they interact and where to find the window to change the settings or how to
make custom actions and the hotkeys for it.

I understand much of the stuff done in Photoshop and can deduct most of the stuff I see on screen but in painter I am completly lost. :frustrated: That is sadly true for the ryan church dvd´s from too. Great entertainment and very inspirational, but totally unhelpfull in terms of how.

I have found enough PS Workshop DVDs to boost my PS knowledge, but what I really crave is a "Painter Walkthrough" for dummies. Where the basics are laid out. Please? :painting:

I´ll continue shopping for the rest of the lot anyhow. :D

[MeTaL-Mike]

I don't check the PSD's either.
Love the voice overs, listening to the artist talk about inspiration and what they thought about when producing the work is very helpful.

I usually watch the vids and try to follow the process, how they apply lightning and such.

It would be cool if the artists would explain why something is rendered this or that way when they use a perticular lightning. when what shadows occur. I think it would be very helpful for us noobs.

the same for color. why a certain color and how it reacts to certain lightning conditions.

other than that the vids are totally awesome, i hope more great stuff will come soon.

[kraal]

i would like to add about the 'technical side' of PS ect. I would be less likely to buy a video that is spending too much time telling me where windows are and how to make hot keys....... an example of the idea is ryan church's recent painter x video.... i was bored with half of the material showing me how to use the tools.... i beleive that can be learned elsewhere like the manual that comes with the software or books such as the painter wow book and class room in a book series..... i would like more thoughts on creating art not the tools used .... i mean seriously if these were about pencil sketching how much time would be spent on what type of wood is the pencil made of and pencil shapening techniques???

[Studio Colrouphobia]

Kraal, the simple truth is that this varies from person to person.
I might not get that much help from or have any real interest in, anything that explains Photoshop for more then half the vid.

On the other hand, being more or less a newcomer to Painter, I have had shitloads of help from Ryan Churchs Painter tutorials where he explains where everything is...

The same would go for The Barber video on painting, something I have never done before (not with oils in any case), and any vids on charcoal I'd love to hear how different types of charcoals flow over the paper, which paper gives you interesting effects for which type of charcoal and so on.

This just differ from person to person, some might have use for it, others none.

[K-bot]

i would like to add about the 'technical side' of PS ect. I would be less likely to buy a video that is spending too much time telling me where windows are and how to make hot keys....... an example of the idea is ryan church's recent painter x video.... i was bored with half of the material showing me how to use the tools.... i beleive that can be learned elsewhere like the manual that comes with the software or books such as the painter wow book and class room in a book series..... i would like more thoughts on creating art not the tools used .... i mean seriously if these were about pencil sketching how much time would be spent on what type of wood is the pencil made of and pencil sharpening techniques???


I really strongly agree with this... I know some people are less experienced, but there is lots of other places to learn basics, and almost nowhere else to learn how industry professional use different techniques and work flows.

At both of the MB workshops I have been to, when we finally had a chance to ask legendary artists like Andrew Jones, Marko, Jason Chan, and all the other amazing professionals there any question we wanted, people were constantly asking questions that could be easily leaned by RTFM or spending 10 minutes on CA.org

[Studio Colrouphobia]

Whereas I understand what you are aiming at, my point in answering to Kraal's post (and to yours aswell) is still-

Just because you have no use for it doesn't mean there aren't others that DO have a use for it.

The fact that the workshop apparently was swamped with those kinds of questions means there is a real need for it.

To be quite honest, I think a worse problem then getting told where some hotkeys are, is when you see something REALLY cool and not a single refference to how it happend or how you could reproduce the technique is given...
One should learn ones medium, and innovating methods of using mediums are great. This is why the thumbnailsketch vid with Android is so great, as it explores how to work innovaing with zbrush.
But als realize that there are some things you wont know. And at one time, you knew nothing. This is why there is also need for some help with things..

A perfect example of a good blend of this is from the workshops of ImagineFX, which has little boxes with "pro-tips" explaining what key is for what, how to hotkey this or that and so on... small tidbits, no more then two or three per workshop.
Thats really all that is needed to help newcomers a big long way...

[kraal]

studio--- i completly agree with you and i agree with me..... i am just saying what i think.... my main point being spending the time on a vid explaining basics is helpful but not nessesary lets say you have a 40 min video and 20 mins explains where windows and hot keys and paletes are.... that is 20 mins of vidoe that has no play back value. learning artistic aka not technical techniques in photoshop or painter has a play back value until you completly master the technique ..... sure there may be a need for the beginer stuff my point with that is DON'T MIX IT make it a basics dvd and leave it at that it's just if every download starts having too much time spent on explaining the software then i would feel slighted.....and idea to cover both bases is to have the video split into a different download where you can have the (part 1.5 ' getting up to speed in photoshop' and one can choose to down load or not....or have a big download with numorous artist just explaining 'how they use and set up thier software, hot keys workspaces ect'

[Studio Colrouphobia]

or have a big download with numorous artist just explaining 'how they use and set up thier software, hot keys workspaces ect'

Which would be nice aswell... ;)

[MassiveDVD]

Yeah.. we've got nothing in the near term coming for Photoshop / Painter basics. There's lots of good stuff out there, and if you follow your own path you're far more likely to develop new techniques.

[bbwolf]

Well, I didn´t know Ryan got a all explaining Painter X DVD out now. Otherwise I prolly would´ve wrote something different in an earlier post.

I do understand why some artists are more interested in the why and not in the how. Finding my own way sure has its merits. But, y´know, teach a man how to fish and he´ll never go hungry. The man maybe will find new ways to fish for himself later. But going hungry while watching somebody hauling in a big net of fish, because one has no idea wtsever how to come up with a decent net... awefully frustrating.

I surely would be very gratefull if the voice over would concentrate just a bit more on the "how". Still, I haven´t got all the availlable vids, so I´ll comment again later on.

[janni]

I do understand why some artists are more interested in the why and not in the how. Finding my own way sure has its merits. But, y´know, teach a man how to fish and he´ll never go hungry. The man maybe will find new ways to fish for himself later. But going hungry while watching somebody hauling in a big net of fish, because one has no idea wtsever how to come up with a decent net... awefully frustrating.

I surely would be very gratefull if the voice over would concentrate just a bit more on the "how".

At least then one would realize that the knowledge he expected to be so helpful wasn't the knowledge he needed to catch that fish at all.

[Studio Colrouphobia]

At least then one would realize that the knowledge he expected to be so helpful wasn't the knowledge he needed to catch that fish at all.

Everyone needs help at some point. Regardless of wether you are unknown or an MB creative director, at one point you got told how to do things.
Regardless on how high and mighty you might feel, this IS the case.
I find it quite tasteless that people get put down because they're asking for help...

MB isn't coming out with any over-all basic vids. I can accept that. And I believe so can anyone who wants to learn more, beacuse whatever there is that comes out is going to be great (if it keeps the standard that is).
But to take an example of what one can use as a counterargument for the entire "no basic stuff, it takes time from other important stuff":

I know that there was a bit of a disappointment from some people over the jokes made by Coro in his video.
I might not have found it that inspiring to listen to the jokes, but the video was not bad, far from it. But concidering that it was a fair bit of "talktime" being taken up by that- what makes that more important then tossing in some tips and tricks?

I also know that some people found it hillarious and completely in tune with the video as a whole. So it served a purpose and worked (we all know Coro is a crazy bugger anyway :p ).

But the same can be said about more basic info also.
So why is it wrong for people to ask for more basic info?

This place has got, what?, 85 000+ people (I think I forgot a couple of zero's in the end there).

How many are proffessionals?
How many are Intermediate artists?

And how many are complete beginners wanting to learn from the best to get to a point when you can at the very least be intermediate and hopefully even a proffessional artist?

I personally am expecting the colourtheory to be MB's biggest sales so far, by the simple fact that it is something so basic, so nessecary for an artist that a whole bunch of people on here who havent bought any vid yet will buy them.

So why put people down that are asking for some basic help, or atleast a bit more info on the how-to?

(and that's not a question to MB, I'm happy with the reply from you guys above ;) )

[kraal]

my last post on the subject of photoshop basics ect .... that info is out there you dont need to wait on a vid download..... however the talent of jason chan, inovation of android jones and the details of coro are not that is what makes demand for a vid dowload.... i bet if there was a photoshop basic video most of the comments would read as ' it was good but it only told me stuff i could of read in the manual'

[raj_drawing]

heloo iwant how upload the my works

[bbwolf]

I totally agree with "Studio Colrouphobia".

@janni:
y´know, I don´t think you got the point with all the fish. :wink:
Let´s say I buy a DVD for fishing. And then the DVD ony shows how to use a net but keeps me in the dark about where to get one or either how make one myself, I´d feel kinda cheated out of money. Maybe next time I will take more time evaluating and looking for a specific "how to make nets" DVD.

@all
I can live with the MB "no basic instruction vids" policy. Thou I had expected a more "listening to to the readers" attitude. Kinda disappinting but what the heck. Customers for that will just have to go elsewhere. E.G. I just bought the Ryan Church WS Introduction to painter as a DL and am totally satisfied.

However, I still LOVE this place and am very gratefull towards the MB folks for all the hard work and inspiration. :yayca: I will certainly continue to buy DL vids and stuff. But when beeing asked for my oppinion I´ll tell it like it is. to me.


Cheers to y´all

[janni]

I realy don't get why you expect a vid about let's say Outdoor Environment Painting to teach you how to use a software. It's like expecting Marko in his Character Drawing Vid to show you how to sharpen your pencils.

You can learn Painter and Photoshop for free everywhere these days. MassiveDVD pointed that out already. It's realy true. The manual (help files) is a good starting point if trial and error doesn't work for you. And there are gazillions of tutorials out there about how to make brushes, how to work with layer modes and everything else relevant to digital painting. How to set up your workspace and squeeze the last bit of effiency out of ps and streamline your workflow is of no benefit for beginners who want to learn art and design foundations. And the hunt for your favourite artists brushset is just as stupid as trying to find out his favourite pencil brand. It feels like the key to success for beginners but in the end it gives you nothing and leads to more frustration. (Hunting brushsets and playing with them or finding the perfect pencil or yellow ochre oil brand can be lots of fun though as soon as you know what you're doing.)

And where do you get that "no basic instuction vids" policy from guys? It's "no instrucion vids on ps and painter basics". Yep, there's a difference. Every vid so far was about basiscs and foundation of either art, design or production work.

And finaly, if you want "how to use a software" vids, check out Lynda.com. They'll probably have a 10 hour vid on Painter, clicking every button in there and showing you what happens. Good luck! :hugsmile: Oh and nice to hear that Ryan Churchs Painter Intro worked for you bbwolf.

[Studio Colrouphobia]

I realy don't get why you expect a vid about let's say Outdoor Environment Painting to teach you how to use a software. It's like expecting Marko in his Character Drawing Vid to show you how to sharpen your pencils.

You can learn Painter and Photoshop for free everywhere these days. MassiveDVD pointed that out already. It's realy true. The manual (help files) is a good starting point if trial and error doesn't work for you. And there are gazillions of tutorials out there about how to make brushes, how to work with layer modes and everything else relevant to digital painting. How to set up your workspace and squeeze the last bit of effiency out of ps and streamline your workflow is of no benefit for beginners who want to learn art and design foundations. And the hunt for your favourite artists brushset is just as stupid as trying to find out his favourite pencil brand. It feels like the key to success for beginners but in the end it gives you nothing and leads to more frustration. (Hunting brushsets and playing with them or finding the perfect pencil or yellow ochre oil brand can be lots of fun though as soon as you know what you're doing.)

And where do you get that "no basic instuction vids" policy from guys? It's "no instrucion vids on ps and painter basics". Yep, there's a difference. Every vid so far was about basiscs and foundation of either art, design or production work.



And finaly, if you want "how to use a software" vids, check out Lynda.com. They'll probably have a 10 hour vid on Painter, clicking every button in there and showing you what happens. Good luck! :hugsmile: Oh and nice to hear that Ryan Churchs Painter Intro worked for you bbwolf.

Actually, I was more wondering about the condecending tone towards people who asked for more basic info...
And this:

And the hunt for your favourite artists brushset is just as stupid as trying to find out his favourite pencil brand. It feels like the key to success for beginners but in the end it gives you nothing and leads to more frustration.Is just wrong.
Some people learn more about everything (EVERYTHING) by hunting down other peoples brushes, patterns, actions and whatnot then by not doing so.
This just comes down to how you learn the best.
To think you have the sollution to every individual person is... lets say that it shows little knowledge about other people and alot of knowledge about yourself.
Everyone learns differently. Even if the basics are the same, the way you learn them varies from person to person.

[janni]

Agreed, obviously everybody learns differently. There are more similarities in the basics of learning than differences though.
I was talking about real beginners who put to many expectations into a special brush. No brush will make you paint or draw better. Nor does an action or workspace setup. The motivation that comes with it might be a factor, but that wasn't the point. I was actually trying to help, not in the slightest to bash beginners. Probably wanted to be too witty about it. Last post on this, kinda off-topic.

[bbwolf]

Well, I think all our recently expressed views have their reasons and eligibility.
It is true that all these basics can be found elsewhere on the net if you know where to look.
(btw, thanks janni for the link :D )

But I gotta disagree with you that asking Marco for how he sharpens his penicils isn´t important. Or that is useless tracking down one pen my favourite artists use. I mostly know how to do my stuff. But seeing somebody at the WS in Amsterdam using a PIT Artist pen and finally finding a tool that was eggxactly what I wanted and needed..... priceless.

In my early days one tutor solved a big problem for me with a little tidbit info. I constantly kept creating blotches in my lines when having to stop because I needed to rearrange my ruler or stuff. "Just reestablish the line at a point right after the current endpoint of the line" Just a little info but it made not only my day but my week, no my month. Prolly year.

Don´t get me wrong, I strongly believe in RTFM. Some ppl really should do that. Asking Marco for how to toggle the lasso tool IS a waste of time. But asking how layers can interact with textures is not. I think.

But putting ppl down just for asking for help is not even a waste of time and energy, it´s just plain wrong. At least point them in the right direction. :ilaekae:
"Stupid mf just head over to www.concetpart.org/forums....... and leave me alone" may be a bit degrading. But helpfull too. :blahblah:

Cheers y´all - last on the off topic 2

[MassiveDVD]

Everyone's bringing up some really good points, and we appreciate the feedback.

The main weakness of education via video is that it's not individualized. And we're aware of that. A good teacher gives a particular piece of information to a particular student at a particular time. There's no one answer for everyone.

And so while you guys are discussing what the videos should / shouldn't be teaching, keep in mind that there's no wrong answer. We know that... you know that... and we'll just keep doing our best to deliver quality information and have a little fun in the process. :mittenbop:

[archipelago]

I dont know if this is the place to do requests but...

If you guys could get marko to do a marvel cover video, then... OMFG!

[Theking78]

Yeah! We want Marko doing a Marvel cover on a video!!! :)

[MassiveDVD]

We've already talked to Marko about doing one and he gave it the thumbs up. He's got his hands full in Berlin now so I can't give any dates.

[archipelago]

Omfg!

[Cavematty]

I love the downloadable content. The ones I have grabbed have all lived up to high expectations.

Just to add my 2cents and stir up the above arguement:
In Marco's dvd, he DOES talk about what grade of lead he uses, and what kind of paper, and thinks it is important enough to emphasise. :P nah nah nah nah.

When I was starting, hunting out m@'s brushes etc really showed me what you can do with a brush, and helped me realise the possibilities when creating my own. Invaluable. Tho no - they didn't make me paint like m@. Dammit. Lol

[Evil_Sloth]

I think one of the most helpful things you can put on there is common mistakes actually demonstrated and ways to fix them actually demonstrated and example of this is in Marko's DVD where he shows you common line quality used in an "art school" environment and his subsequent technique of developing a more fluid and organic line. Showing these even very quick examples is VERY helpful and are for me more helpful than an entire DVD of watching someone do there thing.

So when you hear an instructor talk about common mistakes that beginners make, show them making the mistake and showing them fixing it.

[ManaBurn]

I watch the videos twice within a short time span. I tend to space out and not hear what's being said during certain parts while watching the painting. If there are psd's, I go through layer by layer turning them off and turning them back on over and over again to try and see every detail that is happening on the layers. If there are brushes, then I load them up and try each one to see what it might do, asking myself where it might fit in what type of situation. The brushes can be like pieces to a puzzle I haven't started building yet so I want to know what the piece is for when I'm in that puzzle. As far as the speed of the painting's it's never been an issue for me personnaly. It usually says how long the painting took in the begining of the vid. I would say that every single piece of information is much appreaciated so I like to poor over all of it intensely. Be it psd, video, voice over, brush, or tools. In fact I'd love to have some textures attached as well if it ever comes up in the future. The more the better.

[Arshes Nei]

I actually play them in the background while painting after I've watched it once. I'd like to have it where it is more in a friendly format for stand a lone dvd players, most players I run into reject Quicktime .mov formats. I'd like to put them in my analog player so it doesn't take resources while I use my PC.

[Zergaloth]

online poker? really? legal?

anyway - i was also looking for a dvd explaining more of the technical side of the drawing. Like a Beginner's course for Advanced Beginners. I know where the tools are, I know how to select colors and new layers - but I don't always know how to use these tools to get the stroke or result i want.

Now you could probably say that THAT is making art, figuring out the tools by yourself to get to know them and translate them into your own language. But that would make all these dvd's rather pointless.

So, a Beginner's Guide to painting in Painter/PS for Advanced Beginners. That would be nice. Well I'd buy it anyway. And those of us that are experienced enough, shouldn't miss out on anything, so it can be a dvd with many simple paintings. A simple oil portrait, how to get that watercolor-feel, a study in light and dark, ...

[Form]

just a thought that came up while I was watching whits snow painting vid... it would be really cool to have two people giving simultaneous commentary on a video. I know it means taking one more artist out of the workflow for a couple hours, but i think it would bring so much depth to the commentary.

As artists we know how important it is to get another's fresh eyes on the process - imagine having whit commentating his process of a landscape, with dobsky or jason jamming with him on colour theory, composition, and shedding new light on the painting. Just a thought! I have found the dvd's so far to be good quality, honest, and full of personality and individuality - which i think is really important. KUTGW.

[Autumnpuma]

I watch the video a few times to absorb the methodology of the artist to, hopefully, refine my own process. Real-time painting footage (as opposed to time-elapsed) is a real help for me and I love to listen to the artist talk. There are hidden gems to be found in the artist's free-form dialog. The music should be interesting but not distracting.