CHOW#91 - Guest Host: Poshspice Topic: The Gangster and his Moll [Archive]

Oblio

October 1st, 2007, 05:32 PM

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The Gangster and his Moll

Ok... I had a quick look back through the threads and couldn't find anything like this so off the top of my head:

The Gangster and his Moll.

Behind every bad man there's an even badder woman. She lets him think he has all the good ideas...

Two characters in one image Doesn't have to be set in any period, so they could be brought up to date, not necessarily the obvious! Just be inventive, this is about a relationship between two people, so really the expression and attitude are important as much as the design.

1. Two characters (one male, one female)
2. Give them them personality

I LOVE IT!
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Tom Garden

October 1st, 2007, 06:52 PM

Ahhhh brilliant! :) Love the two character aspect! And interaction - a really really reaaally important part of any concept!........i better get sketching!!

one question - are we still required to do full or 3/4 length of the body?

daestwen

October 1st, 2007, 07:21 PM

Ho man, I just had a really powerful image in my head for this one. I wonder if I could pull it off? :/

JessiBean

October 2nd, 2007, 12:04 AM

Wow... I've been mulling this one over and over for a couple hours. I like it, but we'll have to see if I do it justice. Sweet topic.

fydbac

October 2nd, 2007, 01:59 AM

I agree with you there JessiBean. So many possibilities...I vow to start something at least by Wednesday. No more of this start friday or saturday mess.

ashton

October 2nd, 2007, 03:06 AM

My sunday is your sat. I am sick of not making the poll. I feel down.

Daray

October 2nd, 2007, 04:48 AM

one question - are we still required to do full or 3/4 length of the body?

Read the general rules, at least 3/4 is always required in CHOW :wink:

Sweet topic, Im going to give this a go. But without my laptop and personal space, we'll see if I get anywhere good :)

ashton

October 2nd, 2007, 05:25 AM

here I go again

http://studiopumpernickel.com/ash/2006-dailysketch/01.jpg

wendesten

October 2nd, 2007, 06:35 AM

What exactly is a moll? I've never heard that word before.

Aly Fell

October 2nd, 2007, 06:56 AM

A gangster/gangstas girl...

MOLL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_moll)

Can be a modern expression though, so it doesn't have to be from the era of classic American gangsters.

JessiBean

October 2nd, 2007, 08:24 AM

Ashton - I tried to peek at some of your other work to get a sense of your style, which I see is very... stylized (for lack of a better word), and that may also be part of what's holding you back in CHOWs. Maybe consider the anatomy more carefully, since it's easier to de-construct something that is right than to build something that isn't. Do you have a reference for that pose? Because right now your figures look like cube people where it'd be better to see more of real people in them (this is easiest to achieve by looking at real people).

Ie: 211759

Also, the woman's right hand (to the viewer's left) is backwards.

Hope that helps some!
:^^:

So I've been doodling... more to come soonish.
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grenogs

October 2nd, 2007, 09:49 AM

Are we able to take characters from history, like Bonny and Clyde ? or is it have to be purely fiction?

Chance.

October 2nd, 2007, 10:37 AM

So this round is to do a gangster couple from any time period or genre, focusing more on the personality of the characters than the actual designs?

I'm having a hard time figuring out whether or not you are looking for evil, gangster characters, or if it is the "behind every bad guy is a woman who really runs things" that we are focusing on and the gangster relationship to his moll is just some sort of frame of reference.

So I guess my question is, 1. do these characters need to be some form of gangster, and 2 are they supposed to be evil (or at least anti establishment)

Sorry for being so slow.

Aly Fell

October 2nd, 2007, 10:48 AM

Grenogs - A Bonnie and Clyde 'type', yes. :)

Chance - You had it in the first sentence. Concentrate on the whole thing! A 'bad' couple. Design is of course important, but the essence of character is personality, and rather than just thinking a cool outfit will carry the design, look at expression and how they might interact. Having the woman as a dominant character is to give her more than a supporting role as a bit of 'fluff'! He's the boss... or maybe not... And yes, at least anti-establishment. It's more open than first you might think. :)

EDIT:

Timothee - We've done almost the same pose! :) Great stuff starting to come through... phew...

Here's mine. Gangsta and his molly dolly. Rough on the left. I have no idea how to finish this off though... Going to try a different colouring process I think, but time is a problem again this week, so it may not get finished.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/463/gangstarough01vk5.jpg

Sadly I don't have any more time to spare on this, just as well as my experiment wasn't working anyway! :) But here's the WIP...

I'll probably be able to check the thread on Sunday night/Monday morning and for those who 'finish', if Jessi Bean isn't the only one, I'll be back with crits.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5201/gangsterwipah3.jpg

ManaBurn

October 2nd, 2007, 11:09 AM

Work in progress, Can I even do something like this or am I suposed to go mafia only? I don't want to dedicate anymore to this painting if I need to go mafia. C&C is always appreciated.

edit:
Playing with another Idea. Not sure how I want to present the intercation. Still waiting to see if the charchters have to be mafia type or just some form of criminals male female.

Will Eisner did a brilliant splash page for a spirit comic based on the male female interaction. It was the first thing that popped into my mind when I read the topic.

edit: Reworked the idea some in a diffrent direction. Kind of pushed the time frame fowards and backwards. Don't know if i'll get away with a future/past Asian organized crime thing, but it's fun a fun Idea to play with.

The Whistler

October 2nd, 2007, 11:20 AM

I don't know if I'll do this one... I somehow have no ideas that are not cliche. I'll try to think of something...

deviousg

October 2nd, 2007, 12:02 PM

I am new to this and had a couple of questions.

Is there leeway on like a sci-fi aspect, or superhero thing?

Or what about pose?

Like a man and a woman fighting aka:

http://www.gregbowen.com/ok.jpg

or are you looking for more standard art where you can read costumes better - or??

JessiBean

October 2nd, 2007, 12:14 PM

ManaBurn - You meet the male/female char requirement, and I dig the clothing design, but the gangster feel is lost, you're right. What makes this couple evil/dangerous/gangster? Consider that and see if you can change the environment/lighting, posing to demonstrate how they're bullying or going on a crime spree, etc.

JessiBean

October 2nd, 2007, 12:15 PM

I don't know if I'll do this one... I somehow have no ideas that are not cliche. I'll try to think of something...

Sometimes the cliche can work, if you give it the right spin. I say give it a go just to see.
:)

grenogs

October 2nd, 2007, 12:24 PM

also if your going traditional, think about your character, they dont have to be your typical italian mafia type, try other nations, like russian, jamaican, arab, indian, even eskimo. theres a gangster everywhere, you just need open the box a little :)

Chance.

October 2nd, 2007, 12:36 PM

So they are supposed to be gangsters?

ManaBurn

October 2nd, 2007, 12:40 PM

grenogs

October 2nd, 2007, 12:57 PM

So they are supposed to be gangsters?

CHOW#91 - Guest Host: Poshspice Topic: The Gangster and his Moll

i guess so

daestwen

October 2nd, 2007, 01:46 PM

CHOW#91 - Guest Host: Poshspice Topic: The Gangster and his Moll

i guess so

I hope not in the literal sense, though, as this was the first thing I thought of: A twisted boy-king and the further twisted queen regent. I didn't know just how many of these women ruled kingdoms behind their sons until I read the history of "The Chess Queen". These were hard ass gals, man. So.... I instantly thought of them when I heard this topic.

Poshspice, is this okay, or am I stretching it? :/

(ignore the quality of my sketch, I just did it during class to get the idea down on paper)

http://www.daestwen.com/gallery_pics/gangster_sketch.png

Daray

October 2nd, 2007, 03:00 PM

I've acutally come up with quite a fun sketch! Tomorrow I'll post it however, no scanner tonight :(

rustikof

October 2nd, 2007, 03:33 PM

gang·ster (gāng'stər) Pronunciation Key
n.
A member of an organized group of criminals; a racketeer.
A member of a gang of delinquents.
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moll (mŏl) Pronunciation Key
n. Slang

A woman companion of a gunman or gangster.
A woman prostitute.

erwtenpeller

October 2nd, 2007, 03:56 PM

I was just wondering, are additional side-characters to make the scene more interesting allowed, like so:

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1867/molekopieem3.jpg

JessiBean

October 2nd, 2007, 05:14 PM

daestwen - I think you're on the right track, so long as you keep in mind they're up to no good and they're a pair. Push a little more the mischief they're up to? So that they're not just well dressed mean people, but racketeers of some sort. (maybe emphasize how the boy is a terrible, greedy king, etc.) LOVE the expressions.

Manaburn - No prob, Hope I helped, and can't wait to see what you come up with.

daestwen

October 2nd, 2007, 06:14 PM

JessiBean - I think I know what you mean, but this is the part I'm not so sure how to pull off. I've changed it a little bit since... the boy's arm is up towards his chin, and he's got a gold dubloon between his fingers, and a sword in his other hand, laying lazily off the chair, but I'm not sure that it's strong enough? I think the way to do it is to try to build up the rest of the scene, so... I dunno. :D

mrbo18

October 2nd, 2007, 07:11 PM

My go so far.

timothee

October 2nd, 2007, 07:17 PM

Here's my idea, any crit welcomed.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/timdeplace/gangster.jpg
He relies on her for the brians of the operation, she relies on him for the muscle. They run an underground criminal organization in the near future England. More details to come.

ashton

October 2nd, 2007, 11:03 PM

JessiBean thanks for your help.

MarkWinters

October 2nd, 2007, 11:07 PM

Went with a Yakuza theme and I'm sharing a rough. More of a doodle really - done while at work this afternoon. I was focusing on the character interaction. I have to sketch in the rest of the figures an fix proportions. I was hoping to get opinions on whether what I came up with was to generic or not. Thoughts?

http://markwintersart.com/images/posts/markwinters_chow91_gangster_rough.jpg

JessiBean

October 3rd, 2007, 12:22 AM

Mark Winters - I quite like the Yakuza idea, and I think you can keep it from being generic if you hunt down a kind of twist on it... maybe the Yakuza of the past, or of the future? Though I'm not sure it needs much, it's a rather eloquent, concise update of the 1920s gangsters to skip over to Japan. Perhaps make them look less western.
I suppose what I am getting at is push it a little more...
:^^:

daestwen - I see where your dilemma is... I would make their characters more readable with a crown on his head, maybe she could have execution notices she's signing, or things she is urging him to do that he's not paying attention to (I think that was what was so awful about the situation you chose, that choices were made by puppeteers... speaking of, might it help to make him into a puppet?) I'm just tossing off ideas though, they could all be crap, but maybe it'll help. And best of luck!

prepsage

October 3rd, 2007, 04:36 AM

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4510/prepsagechow91os5.jpg
wip

The Whistler

October 3rd, 2007, 06:45 AM

Arrr! Here be me sketch! ;)

Very cliche as I already said but I'll still give it a try...

erwtenpeller

October 3rd, 2007, 08:13 AM

Unfortunately nobudy was able to awnser my question if i could use an additional character to enforce the scene, so i just went ahead and continued the piece becouse i really like the premise of it. The interaction between the gangster and moll in this piece may be a little more aloof then most the other works posted so far, but its supposed to imply a lot of lower layers. Kind of that she-loathes-him-but-he-keeps-her-fed sorta thing.

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4343/molekopiedz4.jpg

I really like everything thats been posted so far. Dont feel guilty about how cliche your piece may or may not be. With a subject such as this, big chance that exploiting a cliche will get you the more charismatic piece.

Splittingadams

October 3rd, 2007, 09:18 AM

here is my WIP so far. I am not too sure about the facial expression of each of the people shown, but the pose and look of each is more than generaly how i want it. as for coloring and light source... they are in progress :bashful:

http://adamandhannah.com/gangsta_and_moll.jpg

The ideas i have seen thus far have been good... keep it up!

grenogs

October 3rd, 2007, 09:21 AM

erwtenpeller, like you i too hope we can have an extra character, though my idea is more of a living set piece rather than an actual character

Jack Frost

October 3rd, 2007, 09:57 AM

Whoa, is posh going to win his own competition? Great and unique ideas everyone!

bumskee

October 3rd, 2007, 10:03 AM

nice one posh!

JessiBean

October 3rd, 2007, 10:19 AM

erwtenpeller - I wasn't sure about the additional character question, so I didn't know how to answer, but seeing what you have, I don't think it's an issue at all. I also like the sort of whimsical feel your piece has going on, as opposed to the more obvious dark twist a gangster might originally imply. One thing to be aware of, and you did mention it, is the interaction part of the brief. I know yours is a more subtle interaction between your gangster and moll, which is entertaining, but I'm a little concerned that could hurt you in the end. Would it be possible to play this underhanded loathing up any more? (just my $0.02, it may be perfect as is... I know I love the character design in any case)

Poshspice - I think I am always a fan of what you do, LOVE the design so far.

Whistler - No, I like the pirates! No one else is tackling that idea so far... the only thing I would say is to watch your anatomy (get a good reference) and watch the background running away with you, because so far the table is sitting on a different, higher plane than the chair, etc., and those background elements, if off, might take away from the overall concept. Best way to avoid that is focus in on the two of them, less bg. Also, maybe he's relaxing with his feet up and she's counting the booty? Keep going, I dig it.

Prepsage - Love the composition here, and the rendering is going really well. Looking forward to seeing more.

Also, Manaburn - I don't want to sound like I'm contradicting what I said to you before, but I think your background is running away with your image in your new WIP. Try to keep it tighter, so that the focus is your characters, like in the first one (it had a better composition for displaying character, it just needed some indication of what made them gangsters as opposed to people in cool clothes).

I'm so excited by all the different things going on, I feel I need to dash off and work on my own lots... This is where it was on Tuesday: If there are good fairies and bad fairies, these are definitely the latter. They had a scheme to keep the neighborhood in line and themselves well stocked in gold -- golden honey, that is.

212493

C&C is MUCHLY appreciated.

grenogs

October 3rd, 2007, 10:42 AM

just a quicky, to get the basics, and get a wip in early, after last weeks disaster, lol. anyway, this may totally change, the guy is basicly what i want, but the woman may totally change, and still lots of work on the hyena, but not important at moment, more concerned about figures for now. crits welcome

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x279/grenogs/gangster-africa.jpg

cowboy surfer

October 3rd, 2007, 11:17 AM

Thought I would give this one a try... I know that the standard here is awesome and I hope to get there one day so any C+C would be appreciated...

General idea is space pirates/smuggglers... and gonna make his boots bigger (maybe).

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/cowboy-surfer/gangsterandmoll2wip.jpg

S.C. Watson

October 3rd, 2007, 11:48 AM

hey Posh,

Just wanted to pipe in and say *excellent* topic suggestion.

Aside from that, love the direction your piece is going.

I hope to be able to comment on some of the others later.

Cheers,
~Oreg.

The Whistler

October 3rd, 2007, 12:39 PM

Whistler - No, I like the pirates! No one else is tackling that idea so far... the only thing I would say is to watch your anatomy (get a good reference) and watch the background running away with you, because so far the table is sitting on a different, higher plane than the chair, etc., and those background elements, if off, might take away from the overall concept. Best way to avoid that is focus in on the two of them, less bg. Also, maybe he's relaxing with his feet up and she's counting the booty? Keep going, I dig it.

Thanks for the crit :) Yeah I noticed her legs being really wrong so i fixed that, made her boobs bigger and gave her a prettier face (she's a wench after all ;) )

I like your piece really much, I couldn't really see what was going on in the first sketch but now it's more than obvious and it's great. I especially like him because his facial features are kinda pointy and that makes him look more nasty. Really nice work :rendered:

ManaBurn

October 3rd, 2007, 05:48 PM

Manaburn[/B] - I don't want to sound like I'm contradicting what I said to you before, but I think your background is running away with your image in your new WIP. Try to keep it tighter, so that the focus is your characters, like in the first one (it had a better composition for displaying character, it just needed some indication of what made them gangsters as opposed to people in cool clothes).

I hear that, I reworked the original a bit.

ManaBurn

October 3rd, 2007, 05:50 PM

Damn Jbean your lines are so tight. You do them digitaly or traditionaly to get them to that point?

The Whistler

October 3rd, 2007, 06:02 PM

UPDATE!!!! :D

Anyways, what I wanted to say was, grenogs, maybe make the guy bigger and bulkier, this way he looks like a child (unless that was the plan, of course)

Daray

October 3rd, 2007, 07:13 PM

You know no wrath like a woman's scorn ;)

Hmm this is what I've got so far, but not had a great deal of time so far! Annoying a Moll's wedding day has to be pushing the buttons. Good chance this will change as Im not that happy. Needs quite some work too, the dude in the back looks more brotherly than gangster. And the bat...well.. I know its wonky! :D but sorting that out too if I stick with this pose :)

212796

Hmm played about with a different pose and idea all together. This is what I have now. Sadly unsure if I can finish this come sunday evening :(

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Finished piece, this is all I can do for the end of today! Nice work all :)

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matias

October 4th, 2007, 06:33 AM

Hye guys, got an early sketch of my idea, I was just thinking if my pose for the moll, facing away, if thats allowed? I sorta wanted her to be turning her back on what could be about to happen...
http://members.optusnet.com.au/matias.jakku/Linking%20Files/91%20Gansta%20and%20moll%20bikie.jpg

Also, being from Australia, the main sort of gang activity we have are bikie gangs, so thats what I decided to go with, the good old aussie bikie and his moll!!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/matias.jakku/Linking%20Files/91%20Chow%20wip.JPG
In the midst of painting at the moment.
Thanks Erwtenpeller for bringing to my attention that the Moll's purpose is unclear, tried to give her a more direct gesture, couldnt find any ref so had to pose for myself, unfortunantly Im not a small guy so it was a pretty loose ref pic :(
Anyways a fair bit to go, I want to give the guy some tatts later on.

Cheers guys
Matias

S.C. Watson

October 4th, 2007, 12:08 PM

Final. Thoughts on why I did what in the Burn thread. If you're interested in such things. If I've time Sunday after work, I'll go in and touch up a couple of trouble areas that are bugging me.

My arm/wrist hurts. :S

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/Oregano/CA/Chow091_Oregano.jpg

detail 1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/Oregano/CA/Chow091_detail_1.jpg

detail 2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/Oregano/CA/Chow091_detail_2.jpg

detail 3
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/Oregano/CA/Chow091_detail_3.jpg

longshao

October 4th, 2007, 01:15 PM

Nice going everybody!
poshspice--Like your stuff. The moll's outfit is really nice.
manaburn--very creative. The ganster looks too devilish though.
tim--very class ganster look with a little touch of sci-fi, i like it.
markwinters--I like the pose and interaction a lot!
Splittingadams--looking good so far, the gangster petting his kitty made me laugh.
jessibean--looks like a very loving fairy couple, not gangster enough IMO.
grenogs--so the gangster is the kid?
oregano--on my first look I thought the guy has four arms lol. Now I see the moll is not finished yet.

Ostrander

October 4th, 2007, 03:20 PM

Not sure if this is where I'm gonna go or not.
213137
Open to suggestions.
still not sure about this one but messing around a little more.
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completely different direction.
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Splittingadams

October 4th, 2007, 03:44 PM

update.

http://adamandhannah.com/Gangsta_wip_002.jpg

just some color changes, facial expression, some more mood defining ideas.

i think its going good, but let me know what you think...

prepsage

October 4th, 2007, 04:27 PM

might want to consider having her dress come up onto the bed next to the other character to create a flow between the two. With the smoke, and dress cutting the composition on that end of the frame, you'll create some dead space.

I'd also like to see her eyes. Windows to the soul and all..

erwtenpeller

October 4th, 2007, 07:04 PM

I mainly worked some more on the facial extpressions. Some overall detailing, but not much, i didnt have much time. I just want some feedback on if i'm headin' in the right direction with this. ( Previous version (http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4343/molekopiedz4.jpg) )

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4403/mole2kopiekv3.jpg

Ostrander

October 4th, 2007, 07:09 PM

longshao

October 4th, 2007, 07:48 PM

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q137/yty2000/gmoll1.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q137/yty2000/gmoll2.jpg
OK this is what I got so far. I want the characters to look like Asian triad gangsters. One is modern, the other one is more ancient. I think I like the second one better, any crits guys?

Ostrander

October 4th, 2007, 07:56 PM

I like the top pose but the bottom characters.

longshao

October 4th, 2007, 08:27 PM

Thanks ostrander, I kinda wanna show most of the body, but I'll try other poses.
As for your character, I wanna see more of her face.

prepsage

October 4th, 2007, 08:42 PM

try combining different elements of their constumes longshao? I mean, fur is ALWAYS 'in'

longshao

October 4th, 2007, 08:46 PM

Thanks prepsage, I'll try that. Do you mean fur should stay outta this?

prepsage

October 4th, 2007, 09:00 PM

naw. fur's great. I was just thinking the suit on the first char would look pretty good with some fur on it. If it doesn't look good- well, gangsters aren't renown for their immaculate sense of style anyway. :P

seba_boi

October 4th, 2007, 11:25 PM

This week's competition rocks!!!...

Scotwith1T

October 4th, 2007, 11:46 PM

Hopefully I can finish this one.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8847/stitched001yc8.jpg

grenogs

October 5th, 2007, 10:50 AM

thanks for the crit, yeah i agree about the kid, i did have an idea, but reading more on what an actual moll is, ive decided to change it, and change the whole angle, but i dont know if ill get time to even finish it now,:(

mrbo18

October 5th, 2007, 11:14 AM

Ostrander

October 5th, 2007, 11:24 AM

Thanks ostrander, I kinda wanna show most of the body, but I'll try other poses.
As for your character, I wanna see more of her face.

No problem Longshao! :)
I'm still not so sure if what I'm doing is the way I should go. It seems very cliche' right now. And it seems that to hang with the best in this comp you have to be pretty inventive/creative as well as having superb rendering ability or style. My goal this round is to double my votes from the last, so I'm gonna need to step it up a bit I think.:thinking:
C&C, advice, direction, yay, nay, anything? anyone?...>insert cricket sound<

mrbo18

October 5th, 2007, 11:30 AM

update.

http://adamandhannah.com/Gangsta_wip_002.jpg

just some color changes, facial expression, some more mood defining ideas.

i think its going good, but let me know what you think...

I liked the original colors you had laid down better. The addition of the orange for the hair and on the cat seems to clash with the green. I think the green background was a great choice and gave the image a good base but something about the addition of these new colors is messing it up for me. I do like the changes you made to the faces. Just my 2 cents.

erwtenpeller

October 5th, 2007, 02:18 PM

I like what's going on in your illustration Erwt, but it feels like you're missing your mark on the topic. It's good to do something thats not cliche' to the topic but i think you're hitting it way out in left field. You might want try and bring it closer to the subject at hand. It's going to have to instantly read gangster and moll, and I don't get that right now. They seem like banker moles.Yeah i've been having the feeling that it doesnt quite hit the mark. Its just that when i saw the topic name this idea immidiately popped into my head and even though its not entirely appropriate, i really like it.

On the other hand, whos to say that a banker aint gangsta? I'm kind of trying to hint to sherwood, with the medival costumes and the little green feathered hat on the worm.

I like the new expression on his face, but I prefer the old expression on the wifes face. Very nice piece though.
I'll swap em around see what i can do. Problem is i have the nasty habit of messing up my layers, i probubly just painted over the old one, but i saved a copy before i changed them. Nothing a lil' cnp cant fix.

The thing is though that in the new image both characters are more expressive, and in the old one both faces where a little more "numb" and clean i guess, so i think the old Moll face will look a little out of place with the new Gangster face.

longshao: I like the modern one a lot better. Its just more expressive and overall, badass.

Matias: I really like where that is going, the event that is taking place right there. I'm not entirely getting the Moll's agenda in that picture though, i think there is a little room for improvement there.

Brunob

October 5th, 2007, 02:36 PM

im lateeee

good topic

first wip

JessiBean

October 5th, 2007, 03:25 PM

I'm as done as I'm going to be for this week, too many other things to do, and I got way off topic, too (I suppose you're not alone Erwtenpeller, but I do like yours, I got the robin hood feel before you mentioned it) ... but I wanted to do an especially different sort of gangster, why not fairies who beat up on bees for honey? I tried anywho.

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I swear I'll stick more to the topic next week. :^^:

Loving what everyone else is doing. Scotwith1T - great pose, watch her face, it's getting smushed. And the anatomy needs some work (one of her arms is way off from the other) longshao - really love the costume design in the second set, will look great fleshed out more. And a general "best of luck" to everyone.

The Whistler

October 5th, 2007, 04:02 PM

OK, JessiBean, you have my vote :D It's gorgeous.

DIMAGYAN

October 5th, 2007, 06:07 PM

some ideas im working.
going for something more "documented"

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interesting works in here

cheers

daestwen

October 5th, 2007, 07:27 PM

JessiBean, yours is looking awesome. Nice work.

Unfortunately, this is where I throw in my hat. It's thanksgiving weekend up here in Canada and I'm being pulled away to my mother's house, who... apparently doesn't even have photoshop... sigh. So, here's how far I got, anyway... I think I'll finish it later, though her hands are making me frustrated.

http://www.daestwen.com/gallery_pics/gangster_wip001.png

S.C. Watson

October 6th, 2007, 12:38 AM

update on page 2.

Oreg.

ACRO

October 6th, 2007, 09:27 AM

heyo this topic is sick
im going to start today pz...

Brunob

October 6th, 2007, 04:49 PM

there is my final!

S.C. Watson

October 7th, 2007, 01:11 AM

Final and detail shots posted on page 2.

JessiBean - I absolutely *love* yours!

~Oreg.

grenogs

October 7th, 2007, 02:21 AM

jessi realy nice image and technique you have there, how have you done the linework? is it just a simple ink drawing or you use photoshop or something similer?

meeatu

October 7th, 2007, 05:37 AM

great job Jess :)

Here's a bite on the subject .. unfortunately this is all i can do for now

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/meeatu/CHOW_91_Meeatu.jpg

bumskee

October 7th, 2007, 05:54 AM

jessi, really nice work!! love the way you've approached it. sweet

The Whistler

October 7th, 2007, 06:10 AM

I finally finished mine, it's on page 2...

Good luck people :)

edujante

October 7th, 2007, 07:07 AM

Alexandrino Torrano, the tagliatele Godfather´s family is one of the most influent MAN in brukling. Rich and powerfull, his only weaknes is Dalia O´neill, an irish girl, non a simple girl, her Daughter is Pat O´Neill, Leader of bloodyIrish Gang...and also the enemies of tagliatele family....crap!

I enjoyed very much this round! Good topic POSH!

http://edujante.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/ganstadef2.jpg

Daray

October 7th, 2007, 07:37 AM

updated mine on page 2! :)

Chate Noire

October 7th, 2007, 09:03 AM

JessiBean, it's absolutely gorgeous. I love that you took those lovely, gentle fairies and made them badass.

edujante, it's SO stylized =) I love it.

This week I'm gonna try too. Not too much time left, but I hope I can use GMT +2 to my advantage...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/chatenoire/CHOW91-GangsterCouple3_a.jpg

OYO!

October 7th, 2007, 09:38 AM

Hi everybody :)

Jess: i like your concept, pretty sick idea !
Edujante : Wicked ! The style is awesome !

So here is my first entry for a chow.

Holy and Molly

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The concept

In the years preceeding the great online recession, several issues laid the foundations for what was to become the greatest technological implosion

mankind had seen. These issues were the seeds of the events that would ultimately unravel the internet and send the world's computer-dependant population

into panic. Amongst these contentious issues, one stood out as being a prophetic foreshadowing of things to come. Around the start of the 21st century,

there was an unprecedented 3 year rise in the industry known as 'kiddy porn'. While the industry enjoyed a brief and flourishing success amongst

enthusiasts, it was not long before the sadistic whims of a few were drowned out by the voices of the many, screaming for justice. Perhaps the most

shortlived of the online fetishes, the ultimate destruction of this trend was brought about by a ruthless gang of vigilante children - many of whom

were ex kiddy-porn victims, or relatives of victims. In an unprecedented act of government cooperation, various maximum security institutions worked

covertly with the infant mob, allowing temporary use of their deranged inmates for the purpose of seeking their unique brand of justice. Under the

direction of the wily, streetwise children, these inmates would perform a humiliating death ritual on the perpetrators of kiddy porn websites and

premesis. Often the arduous execution would involve dressing the offenders up in pink tutus, gagging them with pacifiers and forcefeeding them

liquid banana food until they died. Amongst these vigilantes, Molly and Holy were the most feared by their sworn enemies. Their torture procedures

would often include not only those mentioned above, but they also displayed an uncanny predilection for dressing the offenders up in childrens angel

outfits, earning the inmate the ironically twisted title of 'holy'.

And the dirty tracing-papered sketch.

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Comments and crits are more than welcome !

OYO !

JessiBean

October 7th, 2007, 12:20 PM

jessi realy nice image and technique you have there, how have you done the linework? is it just a simple ink drawing or you use photoshop or something similer?

For this one, I used 2H and HB pencils, it's been a while since I did a really intense line drawing, and I just felt the need. I'm about 50/50 for natural line drawings and digital ones.

Oregano - totally dig your rendering (again), very nicely done. Only wish I saw a hair more of her (though the pose definitely speaks to the relationship you were aiming for)

edujante - WOW, I love the intense abstraction here, the painting is beautifully done. Such an innovative take.

Awesome things coming in, itching to see more (I'll be stalking the forum all day, again, I'm sure) And thanks for all the kind words about mine! (though please don't hesitate to crit, I got such brutal feedback last week that I think really helped, I need more!)
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Daray

October 7th, 2007, 12:28 PM

(though please don't hesitate to crit, I got such brutal feedback last week that I think really helped, I need more!) :

Its the best way to learn in my opinion. I've had my fair share of it over the years and well, Im having to learn a lot of stuff I one knew all over again. If people crit more it does generally help, not just always 'wow that looks lovely!', So i understand what you mean.

Anyhows if you want a crit then...:P

I like it, I think the colours and technique etc are wel executed. The only thing I felt that it didn't really show a typical gangster - type theme. But then thats now always a bad thing, shows you're inventive. I think I would have liked to see it more inclined towards an obvious scene. Other than that, theres not a great deal in crits now seeing as you've posted :dur:

S.C. Watson

October 7th, 2007, 12:55 PM

Oregano - totally dig your rendering (again), very nicely done. Only wish I saw a hair more of her (though the pose definitely speaks to the relationship you were aiming for)

Thanks, Jessi! :rendered: I wanted more of her body to show as well, but the further I got into the piece, the anatomy for the pose kept breaking down. So I had to move things around. Originally, I had her more to the front (see the pencils on page two). There were some serious problems there. I really wanted to convey a certain intimacy between to the characters. I think I managed it. :\

There's some really fun pics going up in the Burn thread!

Cheers,
~Oreg.

edujante

October 7th, 2007, 02:40 PM

Hey people!thanks very much for your comments! i´m glad you´d like it! I spent very good times doing the bad gangster!!!!
After the poll i´ll try to comments and crit some draws!!!

Tom Garden

October 7th, 2007, 08:51 PM

My final
http://tomgarden.co.uk/Webpics/tomgarden_gangster_chow91.jpg

deviousg

October 7th, 2007, 09:23 PM

splitting adams - i like your concpet very much - loaded with personality - the cat adds much.

Nice colors too.

Ostrander

October 7th, 2007, 09:42 PM

Changed my mind completely from my original concept.
Updated on page 2.
Lots of cool stuff gang. Good luck!

dabble

October 8th, 2007, 01:58 PM

Hello Everyone,

I hope I qualify for this round, couldn't get a connection to CA to attach my image. Sorry guys no WIPs or full color from me this week. Got sick the last few days and wasn't sure how much I could get done. This what I got so far a red monochromatic piece. I could easily spend more hours on this to add more details in general, especially to the building.

Concept: Going for a 1920-30's Shanghai Gangster and his Moll. The gangster, grew up in the streets as a orphan, violence was common and a nurturing companion to him. He learn to use the crude tool of meat cleavers to hack his way as top muscle in the Shanghai underground. His life was saved many years ago by his now Moll, since then he has risen to one of the top 3 bosses in the city. The Moll, daughter of a notorious corrupt politician inherited her father quick wit and sharp tongue. Her father was murdered by rival politicians and she was forced to fend for herself on the streets as a teenager. She saved a gangsters life once and since then has played him to her advantage. She also keeps him under control by a narcotic substance.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x18/dabble21/ConceptArt/CHOW/91_gangsta_web.jpg

Aly Fell

October 8th, 2007, 05:36 PM

I've PM'd Oblio, so we'll have to hold on. Congratulations to everyone who had a go at this topic; hopefully it meant a little more thought about interaction and relationship, and that looks pretty much the case with the turnout. Wish I'd had time to finish, but c'est la vie...

ArtZealot

October 8th, 2007, 06:20 PM

This is kind of off topic, but where can i find all of the winners of CHOW. I saw the hall of fame thread but i'm looking for the full res versions of all the winners. Does such a thread exist? and if not...why not?

JessiBean

October 8th, 2007, 07:57 PM

Oregano - I completely understand what you mean. And you did get across a sense of intimacy (either that or some people who don't get personal space boundaries) No sense beating a dead horse either, I would just suggest (if you hadn't done so before you began) playing with the angle in thumbnails. It could have been as wonderful a scene from the back, with her whispering in his ear, maybe, etc. etc. But I digress, what I meant to say, is I dig your stuff.

Daray - yeah, I realized I was rather WAY off the mark about 1/2 way through, though I did want to think outside the box on this one. Definitely need to focus better next round. Cheers for honesty! Also, like yours MUCH more now that you changed the composition/characters, just ditch the white clouds from the final, go for something darker and more atmospheric to match the darkness inherent in the characters.

And, ArtZealot - CHOW winners: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55747

MarkWinters

October 8th, 2007, 08:28 PM

I was up LATE last night stressing about not being able to log on to the forums! Anyway, I changed up my approach to doing yakuza. I included a detail. Crits always welcome!

Daray

October 9th, 2007, 04:51 AM

Daray - yeah, I realized I was rather WAY off the mark about 1/2 way through, though I did want to think outside the box on this one. Definitely need to focus better next round. Cheers for honesty! Also, like yours MUCH more now that you changed the composition/characters, just ditch the white clouds from the final, go for something darker and more atmospheric to match the darkness inherent in the characters.

Maybe would have if Im not on UK time and also suffering quite badly with the flu :[